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Re: Blackpool Manor Dinner: D3 - LAFITE GRAND CRU WITH A FINE ROAST BIRD!

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That is a really good post Zulu and deserves a reply.

When Annie declared her "result" on Devante the other thing that was going on was Sonic indicating the dangers of a mislynch - at first I was questioning how dangerous it was. My initial joy/relief at the result changed overnight to fear when I was working it through in my mind. Having worked it through in my mind, I was in a mathematical and wary mindset. Working through the maths I realised that qunatitavely speaking to me the odds on an archivist having been recruited were high enough for me to not want to lynch Devante without a lot further consideration. Then when others just wanted to lynch Devante off the cuff and without listening to Devante the fear of a hasty and incorrect lynch intensified. I was tempted to argue for Devante (in his absence) but this would have been no substitute for anything Circle leaning that Devante might have inadvertently said. When the actual votes on Devante started on the Saturday - I was like FFS don't be so hasty. When Annie started trying to force the lynch and with the momentum for it already I asked Annie the questions that I thought should be asked of her at least - and I didn't like the answers I received CAPS ON ASKING YOU TO VOTE now, and the misquoting of Devante by Annie - taking an actual Devante quote and adding Bunny into it. My mathematical argument would have been invalidated by Devante's actual response (but there would still have been a debate to be had) , except your actual Lynch vote went through first.

The going after Charle Day 1 - I think I argued and pressed through yes. I believed it was a valid line to go down and others did follow because there was nothing better to go on and lynch. The House players who voted Charle at the end of the day thought, or were persuaded round it was valid too. As I wasn't Patron it can't have been and wasn't me pressing for a definite mislynch. I need to check but I think Dev wasn't in the lynch of Charle.

The formats of Hjelps posts - OK - maybe that's a bit unfair , you could also interpret it as me being open about some of the underlying reasons that might make me biased against Hjelp. There's other things as well - quite a few of them in the list I gave. Other players can if they want put further questions or pressure on Hjelp or if they want say Loose is either wrong or worse trying to engineer a mislynch.

I didn't actually make an Usher hint - I made an Usher claim. Claims can be true or false, and in this particular game any recruit (and we are left with 2 recruits to find) was dealt an original card (Usher in my case) and then gets recruited. So Usher was a true role (unless I made an alternative true role up for myself) the question is whether I am one of the 2 who has been recruited or not. Same applies for every other player. (The potentialy complicating thing is each member of the circle could use another circle players pre recruitment card if/when making their own claim.)

Really good post deserved an extensive reply - for you to consider.
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Just checked I was right - Devante wasn't in the Charle lynch - so the fact I "led" it says nothing in itself about those who did vote for tcharle s lynching - I don't think it does anyway.
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A-lot has happened, mostly I think Annie is onto something here about Charle and it’s probably the safest play to consider that Charle’s ability comes from circle.

If thats so we have 8 members 3 circle… again 5 for a majority. We cannot miss if that is the case which maybe why we got a bit of a possible hint from Sonic regarding LC as we were under the impression we could make a mistake. That said here is where I am at:

1. Bunny 🐰 I know I am safe, my track record adds to that, I have been consistent with my posting and rhetoric throughout- House
2. Annie, claims archivist, no counter claim exists her info checks out and is consistent in posting and rhetoric, House
3. Loose, overall consistent posting, rhetoric is erratic but in Loose fashion overall seems to be putting forth possible scenarios some which might benefit circle some which might benefit house claims usher no counter claim present did not vote for Dev which was surprising but explained and Sonic seems to give a hint suggesting LC is house - House
4. Katyssis - is brand new, seems unfamiliar with the game genuinely, is consistent in her posting and frequency, has not claimed. it would be unlikely to have a brand new player who posts infrequently to be scum (was it even possible for her to be picked initially randomly, i doubt it) it would be unlikely circle would recruit a player who posts infrequently - Likely House

5. Hjelp, genuinely curious, consistent in posting and his type of rhetoric, is experienced but seemingly not as much as perhaps rags idk regarding charle. No powers claimed yet. Could have been the patron but now only possible to be a recruit could be a recruit but attitude has been consistent. -Likely house.

6. Charle, I agree with Annie here and there was a bit of a change in tone from before having a lost vote till now. He also suggests going after LC who we seem to be clearing at least for the moment if nothing else. Circle
7. Zulu, so you’re telling me you never played poker before huh lol, sounds like you might know more than you are saying. Also your background that you alluded to earlier suggests to me you might be a quick learner even if you hadn’t played before. While it would be unlikely to pick a new person for a recruit it also would provide good cover. It also seems that much more unlikey to pick two recruits who are brand new one may provide cover two could be a challenge. finally I think your candor was initially more open and playful whereas recently it has been more subdued and seemingly more calculated.

8. Rags- really good content, difficult to see through as circle. But smart and efficient posting only as much as seems to be needed. Who ever is circle would have had to pull off not going for the archivist because they might have cover and instead go for the sure thing homer who would be suspect as he did vote with house, I dont think and new player would think that I do think hjelp might consider that or possibly Rags, Im less certain between the rags hjelp zulu situation but it seems some combo would have to be involved and atm Rags seems most sus to me - likely Circle

We could go for Charle rn i think that would probably be safe or we could try for Zulu or Rags force a claim and see where we are from there. I for one think the latter so I suggest we start with Zulu. Its true you could be totally unsure and might need some guidance but you could easily be a pool shark too. For me its not worth the chance, fyi if you get 3 votes on you it is typical to claim but with 3 suspected circle members it would only take 2 votes on you from house for circle to be able to vote you out immediately so I suggest you claim as quickly as possible to remove whatever votes might be on you.

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I'm calling out Hjelp for another no really much shot at me.

He tried to say asking him if he was some kind of Doctor meant I was rolefishing.
I did so at the time believing D3 was a game critical day - and I was scrambling to avoid a loss for House by being mislynched because that was the way it was looking like it was heading.
Also I don't believe a Doctor has an ability to protect Night after Night after Night - everyhting I can deduce about this game set up is that the "Doctor" role as referred to in homers reveal is/was a 1 shot protective.
So I think Homer was aiming a nothing shot at me and maybe one that he hoped helped to land a mislycnh on me.

One thing that does worry me now about a Doctor is the possibility that a recruited "Doctor" with unused protective shot could be turned against House - something like a witch doctor giving Circle an extra kill perhaps.
It would be very Sonic.
Sorry to throw this in but I've just thought it so I'll say it. I think we have to proceed worst case as if we HAVE to get lynch right D3.

Fpd Bunny - disagree - significantly substantially - but don't put you as circle because I disagree. Its a viewpoint on viewpoint thing.
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I would like to know where people stand on Sonic's two main announcements.

First, that LC is a bad choice for this course. Does this mean cleared as house?

Second, that Charle stands to inherit property. Does this mean he is new patron/circle recruiter?

I need Rags to speak on where he heard Charle would be getting his vote back. ಠ_ಠ

LC, I specifically did not instruct Zulu to do anything. That I claimed archivist, found Dev guilty, and that house needed his vote were not controversial statements. Maybe there should be a rule only mods can use big font, that's not my problem and it's not a scum tell.
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Charle wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2026 3:50 am I also have 3 questions:

@Loose: Why should we believe Annieh deliberately sacrificed the original Patron rather than accept the simpler explanation that she is a genuine Archivist? Do you maybe have any evidence beyond the wording of her posts. She rightfully identified Devante, so do you think they would plan that for us to believe she is town?

@Katy: Why did you vote Annieh, and why did you withdraw that vote just after?

@Annie: Did you investigate anyone on Night 2, and do you have a result you can safely share?

FP'd by Sonic and that is the reason I can vote today.
Charle's best input so far. Good to have you back, Charle <3 I feel that the overwhelming amount of evidence against Loose is just too much. The Charle blunder (and yes, I mainly hold you accountable for that. I wanted hjelp D1); The going against an uncountered cop result that gave us the Patron both before and after. The thinking that "she paraphrased something weirdly" is better evidence than a guilty verdict that delivers the Patron. THE PATRON. And now Loose wants hjelp to claim...I mean...

@Annie, we should definitely look for Circle, and we should use the entirety of today, but to be honest, I feel iffy trying to pinpoint anyone. I mean, even hjelp has distanced himself from Loose. He would've been my number one guess. I don't think it's HB. It's not Charle, you, or me (I just have no evidence other than my play to prove this), and it could be Katy or Zulu. I just have absolutely no evidence on them.
annieh wrote: Thu Nov 12, 2026 7:49 am
Ragian wrote: Wed Nov 11, 2026 9:48 am Unimportant point: Why is everyone discounting Charle? Wasn't his vote just gone D2?
On Ragian's unimportant note- who told Ragian Charle would get his vote back? If it was written somewhere, I missed it.
Experience with loss of vote from other games. Unless he's a tree stump, which he hasn't claimed.

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Uhh, new developments as I read on. Annie seems to be on the fence by looking for mod clues. Here we go again...

Decent post from Zulu.

Aww, and suss from Bunnie calling me clever. That's nice. I'll take that any day of the week. She's right about the kill, though. When reading the scene, I though, "Yeah, that's probably whom I'd have chosen, too." She's also incriminating herself in that, though, given that she can offer up the thoughts.

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Alright, Annie, I'm here. Went to see Kneecap yesterday. Good concert. I'm kinda hung over, but mainly from lack of sleep. Getting old sucks. And as I stated before, I don't really read the multitude of mod posts. I think there's enough fluff in the game as it is.
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Some interesting developments overnight, and I think we need to be careful not to let speculation distract us from what we actually know.

Firstly, regarding my role, I was originally a normal House player, and when I claimed to be 100% House with no special powers, that was exactly what I knew at the time. My Heir status only became apparent later. My ability to vote again is clearly part of the Heir mechanics, but I don't think it is reasonable to conclude that I have suddenly become Circle simply because I regained my vote.

@Annie and @Bunny, I understand why you are questioning this, but what actual evidence do you have that my alignment has changed, rather than simply assuming that inheriting something means inheriting the Patron's role?

Regarding the Loose Goose, I appreciate his detailed explanation to Zulu, and I accept that he may genuinely have been concerned about a mislynch on D2. However, the fact remains that he strongly pursued a House player on D1 and then opposed the lynch of Devante, who turned out to be the original Patron. Those are facts we cannot simply ignore.

That does not automatically make Loose guilty, but I still believe his actions deserve scrutiny. I also agree that we should not interpret Sonic's humour or dinner descriptions as confirmation of anyone's alignment.

There is also something I have been wondering about, and perhaps Annie can help clarify it.

@Annie, what specifically made you decide to investigate Dev on N1? As far as I remember, he did not vote for me on D1, and I don't recall him being particularly active or attracting significant attention at that stage. I know Bunny had expressed some suspicions about him, but I would be interested to understand what led you personally to choose him over the other players.

I am not suggesting that your investigation was false. You correctly identified the Patron, which is certainly in your favour. However, understanding the reasoning behind that choice might help us piece together what happened during the first two days. Also when you are ready to reveal what you have learned N2.

Zulu raised some valid points, and please continue asking questions rather than feeling pressured into claiming your role simply because you are inexperienced. Sometimes those scumsters would do anything to find a good PR role.

We have two confirmed circle members still to find, and I believe our best chance is to concentrate on voting patterns, contradictions and actual evidence rather than increasingly complicated theories.

For now, my vote remains on Loose, but I am open to reconsidering if someone presents a stronger case against another player. I would particularly like to hear more from Katy, Hjelp, Ragian and obviously Annie's result before we rush into another lynch.

I think we should give everyone an opportunity to explain their reasoning before making our next decision. We have already made good progress by identifying the original Patron, and it would be unfortunate to lose that advantage through a rushed lynch.

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I haven't yet read through the overnight.

I woke up feeling Annie is Sweet

unvote Annie

and Hjelp is Salty

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Ok read through overnight - off to work now - expect more input from me later - thats virtually a guaranteed goes without saying though isn't it?
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It's very nice to use the "advance search" option that can be found immediately above the headline of the first post made each day. It's a small wheel directly on the right of the bar reading "search this topic". If one hoovers with the mouse over the wheel it says "Advance search". If the wheel is clicked then the advance search options opens. The second row is where to write the authors name, that is the avator name. For example - if to serach for all posts SoN!c has made if forums then type "SoN!c". It's easy to find all SoN!cs posts only in this mafia games and so it is whit any of the participant players in this game. One only have to type their avator name in the bar "Search for author".
I find it helpful when reading all posts. Maybe you are all aware of it, if so ignore this post.
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Since Loose has questioning the the format of my postings - I will clarify.

The reason that I use quotes is to show that my arguments are well supported and not randomly without basis.
Instead of => , I can use wordings as; this implies that, all together, or hence. There are other wording as well.
The first long post - annieh House - regarding flips was adressed to all - and "Did I get it right?" - was adressed to all if it made sense.
The second post - annieh Circle - reagarding flips was especially aimed for Loose since the "@ Loose" at the start of the post. The reason for that post adressed to Loose was that Loose says annieh being Circle and the consequnces of flips in the Loose annieh case. I was trying to find if there could be any substance of annieh being Circle but I can't find any good reasons in that annieh is Circle. I think the the conspiracy annieh - Devante (Loose case) - is done by an experienced player Loose to obscure (by clouds) that Loose is Circle. As some other pointes at (without quoting) it would be a complicated path to end up in a victory for the Circle. The reason is that it was The Patron that annieh hepled us to find. So, all this together (no arrow) I dismiss that annieh is Circle, I conclude that Loose is Circle trying to stear away the suspicions on Loose by obscure postings, and there are a lot of them. The thread in postings does have a common factor - trying to find out 3P and powers/abilities that belong to House. Asking for claims from several players. For me that indicates a scum play. I think there are four players targeted from Loose that they shall claim their powers/abilities. That is my strongest reason among others that points at Loose.
Finally, regarding that I will vote for a lynch of Loose if we are aligned is because we have to be aligned to vote for a lynch. But since Loose was opposed to this (Loose indicating wants a split vote, the obscured by clouds again from Loose) -

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There's a lot for me to reflect and post on when I get the time but for now;

DO NOT think that Sonic has left any clue or hidden message as to my alignment House or otherwise.
If you do think that, and then think otherwise you will then think I am circle which I am not.

Interpret me as I am - open book, warts and all, House
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Official vote count


Loose Canon: 2 by Charle and Hjelp
Zulu Warrior : 1 by Hottbunnie
Hjelp: 1 by Loose Canon

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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Just a bit of stocktaking here;

There is the question as to why Annie wasn't killed last night.

Possible Explanation 1 - Annie has been recruited so she couldn't be killed

Possible Explanation 2 - Circle thought it could be made to look like Annie had been recruited - but very risky, although maybe not quite so much so if they thought they'd have an ally in me in pushing for an Annie lynch
could be a get me mislynched today and Annie killed tonight devious plan

Possible Explanation 3 - Circle thought there was a high chance of a protective in play - in the light of my card reveal which was a 1 shot diversion of recruitment from a house power card to a house vanilla card it would have been a reasonable guess to make. We now know from Homers reveal that there is some form of doctor card but this wasn't public knowledge D2

Possible Explanation 4 - its a bit extreme - but a recruited Doctor - could be turned bad doctor as in doctoring results of archivist. If so let Annie do her investigation, get a doctored result - total teenager Houseparty chaos - Circle win likely.

On Bunny's vote on Zulu

I would argue against a vote on Zulu or Katy at this stage.
But if there was to be a vote on them Katy makes more sense than Zulu in my book - argument goes a circle Katy voted Annie thinking the obvious vote out House, experienced circle buddy thought its done now let it ride for a little while, OK Loose has voted for Annie tells Katy to unvote Annie let Loose struggle with being the one hung out to dry for being on Annie, Katy unvotes Annie as directed.
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