Blackpool Manor Dinner: D3 - LAFITE GRAND CRU WITH A FINE ROAST BIRD!

[Loose Canon]

Yes I think you got it right

The missing bit is Secretary was one of Loose, Annie, Bunny, Hjelp, Rag both D1 and D2
And anyone can be the N1 recruit.

[hjelp]

@ Loose

Oh Charle, you know I hate those self votes.

Why don't you do something original and make a claim on 1 vote instead?

I did, I told you I am 100% town, no special power, straight forward house applicant. You think different, so I help you to proof that you are wrong!

Hjelp its up to charle to clarify what he knew about his role and when.

100% town/house and no special powers were in the same post by charle.
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But somehow or somewhat opportunistically Hjelp jumped onto your attack on me;
Picking up the 100% bit (anyone can claim they are 100% anything particularly vanilla)
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I'd really like to lynch Charle again.

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You see, Charle's claim mentioned house - "applicant" - which I also am - a House applicant. House applicant wasn't mentioned anywhere before Charle posted it => 100% House. And you still doesn't know it. So what about your claim Usher -

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Cards on the table time;

I am Usher (House) - one night I can redirect the any circle recruitment of a town power role player onto a random vanilla town player.
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Then SoN!c posted -

Deep AI analyse of the game (forbidden by players but not by he host when he wants the best possible game for the players and thus needs to deep analyse every angle for best balance possible!):

Analytical Observations : Strengths of the game:
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Role claims that actually matter. The Archivist claim is the central information piece of D2; the Usher claim is a direct counter.
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What I read into this - you can have beent pointed to be the secretary and "your dealt card is dead" and use you dead card as claim.

[katyssis]

vote annie

[Loose Canon]

come on katy big girls play now - you need to give reasons for votes

[SoN!c]

Official vote count

Annieh: 1 by Katyssis

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

8 votes are in play!

[Loose Canon]

OK Hjelp - you make a VERY good point as to how you spotted/deduced Charle was House - House Applicant on not the Invitation but the Card inside the invitation.
Mine too mentioned House Applicant - but you got in there first AND I had missed House Applicant withing the 100% Town, No Special Powers, Straightforward House Applicant bit of Charle's plea.

You obviously have a claim to make when you see fit - which will have to be at some point today because game over if we mislynch.

FP'd Sonic

[hjelp]

hmm, my quotes are strange --
my lines are

- @ Loose

- You see, Charle's claim mentioned house - "applicant" - which I also am - a House applicant. House applicant wasn't mentioned anywhere before Charle posted it => 100% House. And you still don't know it. So what about your claim Usher -

- Then SoN!c posted -

- What I read into this - you can have beent pointed to be the secretary and "your dealt card is dead" and use you dead card as claim.

[hjelp]

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annieh is House =>

If Zulu flips House or if Loose flips House => one of these 4 Hotbunnie, hjelp, Katykiss and Ragian flips Circle.
or
If Zulu and Loose both flips House => two of these 4 Hotbunnie, hjelp, Katykiss and Ragian flip Circle.

no percentage used.

Did I get it right?

@ Loose

I can do your annieh case as well -

- annieh is Circle =>

If Zulu flips House or if Loose flips House => No one of these 4 Hotbunnie, hjelp, Katykiss and Ragian flips Circle.
so one of the Zulu or Loose, not flipped House, will be Circle.
or
If Zulu and Loose both flips House => one of these 4 Hotbunnie, hjelp, Katykiss and Ragian flips Circle.

no percentage used.

Did I get it right ?

[Loose Canon]

hmm, my quotes are strange --
my lines are

- @ Loose

- You see, Charle's claim mentioned house - "applicant" - which I also am - a House applicant. House applicant wasn't mentioned anywhere before Charle posted it => 100% House. And you still don't know it. So what about your claim Usher -

- Then SoN!c posted -

- What I read into this - you can have beent pointed to be the secretary and "your dealt card is dead" and use you dead card as claim.

Anyone as Secretary can use their dead card as a claim though.

I admit I wasn't noticing the "House Applicant" in Charle's claim correlating to "House Applicant" in my "dealt card"

What you have quietened somewhat is the element of my suspicion on you for psychically realising Charle was Heir when Charle didn't know it himself.

And following onto your next post, actually it isn't 100% that Annie hasn't used a "dealt card" of Archivist, to then go Circle on Circle with Devante and so genius level play avoid all suspicion.

[hjelp]

I will now wait for input from others.

[Ragian]

Ahoy-hoi, this will be quick as I'm, as mentioned, starting a new job (and it's fine that no one congratulated me). I just want to comment a few things from my quick read through this:
1) Katy's vote makes no sense. Why vote for the only one that has done proven House work (rimshot)?
2) I agree that it's possible that Annie could be in cahoots with a(n experience) scumster to pull of the sacrificial scum-tactics, but the timing isn't there (in my opinion anyway), and while I defo think that Annie is more than able in terms of wits, I don't know if she would be comfortable enough just yet to pull off such a move. Again, unless guided by someone very experienced. I just seems as a very roundabout way to secure a win that could've been secured if Annie had chosen someone House as the fall girl/guy. Pair that with a kill and Circle jerks would've won. (I think.)
3) It's almost too convenient for Loose to state that he would've voted for Devante if he hadn't been FP'ed by the lynch. I mean...that's too obvious for it to be a scumtell, right?

[Ragian]

Add a d someone in there and all's good. And I should be it. Christ sake...

[Loose Canon]

Congratulations on your new job rags

If you steal the inherritance maybe you wont need it.
Maybe you can make more money leaving quickly and claiming unfair dismissal though.

Think you made good reasonable points in a good analysis.
Wouldnt expect anything leas though from a wily old bird that may gwt cooked

[annieh]

( ･ั﹏･ั) I miss Homer already. Admittedly, it would have been tremendously distracting having him explain why he didn't get on the vote.

I think the first order of business, after another round of wine, is deciding if we are voting LC out now or if we want to watch him pretend to play for house a little longer.

Charle is an unbiased party who I would love to hear from.

P.S. I congratulated you Rags! It was only in my head and heart though, not aloud. I hope your new job treats you great or whatever it is jobs are supposed to do for people. I can't say I quite see the appeal.

[Loose Canon]

So Annie, you are implying you either have a guilty result on me or a not guilty result on someone else.
Best to leave me / it dangling I'd say

[Charle]

Still need to read through it all carefully, but one thing that came up just before end of D2 is how Loose was trying to protect Devante? Am i right? bit busy at work now but will get some time tomorrow to carefully go through it all

[Loose Canon]

I was considering the odds Charle.
I'd gone from euphoric initially on Annie's claim to hold on just a bit
It was or should have been a tighter call than the lynchers made out
I also wanted to see a Dev / Annie showdown.
Annie was pushing hard for a fast lynch - too fast for my liking.
In the process of pushing for a fast lynch Annie did do some things that I didn't like;
IN CAPS TO ZULU PLACE YOUR LYNCH VOTE NOW - or words to that effect but in caps
Saying Dev had said both Annie and Bunny were lying when in fact Dev only said Annie was.
Also - remember whilst I wasn't on the lynch vote when it occurred, neither was Homer , and you know for certain that 1 circle was on the lynch vote and I claim that 2 were.

Yes the vote might have ended up on Annie, but equally and I'd say more probably (given Devs last post) it might have still ended up on Dev but with more reasons to suspect accomplice(s) had more time been taken over the lynching.

Be open minded and try to ask probing questions/give probing opinions Charle - remember somehow you have given House a mountain to climb by not claiming heir.

[hjelp]

yes, Ragian - congrats - hope your new job will be as you want to.

[Loose Canon]

I think this game might have led me to realise 1 reason why ive contributed to sub par results for my teams ovet the mafia games ive played.

Ive had betting experience in greyhound racing of getting winnings i shouldnt have got for the money ive taken to the track, from reading the programme stats on the dogs and picking the forecast and trio combinations for the 123 of the 6 dogs in a race.
So i think subconsciously my psychology has been to follow the £ best return experiences ive had as opposed to the most likely outcome for each race. So ive gravitated towards glory/value forecasts in mafia games to the detriment of most likely.

This game i feel ive continued that, and to others i dont look like a team player and probably like my user name.

However if this was a value bet id at the dogs right now
with Devante as the owner, and id go AnnieHound, BunnyHare.
And my self justification for doing that is Devante entered this game in a playful mood with the girls, once he'd got the girls together in a lets have some fun here mode the crazy but playable idea of going mafia on mafia appeared from somewhere , with the girls being fun girls up for it in a what the hell kind of way.

Bonkers right - but is it?

Just for fun too rags - no frowning -what odds would you give?

[HottBunnie]

Omg yes makes so much sense to initiate a vote on the Patron as circle. Your deductions are so clear loose

[Loose Canon]

Well right or wrong either way you would say that wouldnt you bunny.

Salty or Sweet Bunny?

[Loose Canon]

Means

Devante recruited Annie - Archivist/Secretary D0, and Devante and Annie recruited Bunnie N1

Motive
Fun - Devante thought it would be Fun to recruit Annie. He played in Fun mode D1 - Hello Future Wives. Annie not knowing Dev was Patron got into the Fun with her 7 Husbands D1, Bunny innocent at that point also got into the Fun D1. Come Night 1 when they were discussing who to recruit Dev and Annie were in fun silly mode high on the mislynch of Charle and went for more Fun and so recruited Bunny

Opportunity
After realising the implication of Charle counting in the hurdle for a lynching, having archivist recruited, having realised they were so close to victory even with the Patron gone, and high on the fun mood, they realised there was the almost unique opportunity to make the bold Circle on Circle play and couldn't resist declining the opportunity of doing so.

The Evidence
Its right here.

Yes I did say why not hjelp.

As if there is even agreement that hjelp would have been a better call. I maintain it is better to investigate someone who is difficult to read. That the minor heat on Devante would mean me having to weigh in today. That it is good and fine to rely on instincts of other players who seem house in the absence of my own strong hunches.

Meanwhile, Devante, "Bunny is full of shit and so is Annie."

Devante said no such thing in this forum.
What actually happened was something along the lines of a conversation in the Circle chat forum provided by Sonic where Devante said something like - I'll just spin them the line "Bunny is full of shit and so is Annie"
When Devante varied from what he said he was going to say and in this forum actually said Annie is a liar in this forum Annie got confused and quoted the line from the Circle Forum.
It evidences/lets slip Bunny is in the circle with Annie and if you examine what Bunny has posted and when that goes further to evidence her involvement with Annie in the circle.

Verdict
Vote Annie

[Loose Canon]

Got something wrong with the bolds and reds there. Was trying to be clever and spell out MOET.

Loose took a swig of the Grand Cru and noticed some strange sediment at the bottom. Looking more closely at the Cru label Loose peeled it back and underneath was the label Moet. Loose swigged the reast of the bottle regardless.

[katyssis]

unvote annie

[Loose Canon]

Why Katy - I've just pointed out a Circle Slip