Blackpool Manor Dinner: D3 - LAFITE GRAND CRU WITH A FINE ROAST BIRD!

[Loose Canon]

Thats Cool Hot Bunny.

Feel free to throw suspicions where you like to see if that elicit more to go on though.
Anything that comes from an honest place is what we want.

[Loose Canon]

And the other thing is, whether we lynch or not, and if so lynch correctly or not, any archivist still house aligned will have to choose who to investigate , so the more we can get out d1 for that player to consider the better.

[Loose Canon]

So while nobody else is posting, and because I want to cram as much useful stuff into D1 as possible, I want to circle back on something;

@Homer

You said your usual preference D1 is no lynch;

Premise 1. We need to get the Patron as soon as possible, and Day 1 if possible.
Premise 2. I think myself, Annie,Bunnie,Dev,Kong,Rag, Zulu, Katy are not patron
Premise 3. I think myself,Annie, Bunnie,Dev,Rag are not secretary either
Premise 4. Hjelp, Charlie, King, Homer are the most likely to be Patron
Premise 5. A claim of Archivist or Heir by one of the premise 4 persons - not counterclaimed would eliminate them as being the Patron

Shouldn't we therefore look to lynch one of Hjelp, Charle, King, Homer with the view that if we miss the Patron, we might still get the Secretary, and as a smaller consolation posssibility might get a 3rd Party.
That's my case for a day 1 lynch.
Is this persuasive?

[Devante]

Thanks for patience and understanding everyone, catching up on things now. Still will be busy but should be able to check in daily for the next bit

[Devante]

Man you guys been busy. I will jot down as I go through tread so sorry if it bounces around but following the flow of the missed pages.

Well right off the bat looks like I had triggered a women scorned in my little hot bunny comments. Forgive me looking for a farm hand I guess lol. That's ok it's cute so no need to retaliate madam, personally I don't think your scum at this point but have the possibility of being a recruit still but that's not worthy of a vote yet.

The Katyssis vote on Annieh randomly is odd especially with the LC quote used, but without further context or knowing the player much might just be that, a random vote in so gonna park that for now.

I agree that for now Zulu and Katy are unlikely to be scum although have an eye on the way Sonic brought them in, jointly and late in the game after the kong confusion. But will leave them as to the side for now

Charle's fixation on the non posters while for the most part not saying much I don't care for

Same with Rags going on about not being smart enough for this mafia game which I call BS on

Game was set-up as Random as Sonics sign up tread makes that clear since for some reason he randomized it many times

I cannot make much sense off the Sonic clues and back and forth. If this is anything like the other games he's hosted then I'll just end up going down rabbit holes for now reason. I'm just gonna play this as a straight town vs scum game and leaving flavour or hints out of it.

Not sure where the back and forth is coming from on Circle members. LC states 2 as per the show but hjelp keeps saying 3. Unless I missed it I don't see where the 2 or 3 comes from and so far sonic has mentioned 2, patron and secretary. Hjelp is there a reason you're saying 3?

two pages to go

[Devante]

Ok so Sonic has it as a patron and a chosen secretary based on his post. Even after that Hjelp goes on about a third. Then Sonic comment on Anniehs conclusion being off something to come back to not sure what he's referencing. Then Charle pipes in a bit more or less to justify his vote on Homer. And a bit more flavour back and forth. Seems to catch things up at this point so here's where I see things

1 - Annieh - Slight suspicion but leaning town right now
2 - Loose Canon - has played as town so strong lean town
3 - Hjelp - lean scum, would have said neutral if not for the 3 vs 2 scum comments that contradict what sonic has said
4 - Hotbunnie - lean neutral, would lean scum but likely because of all the suspicion thrown her way which gameplay hasn't really suggested it
5 - Devante - town
6 - Kingm - not much to go off of but would lean neutral possibly scum given no clear reason for absence and few comments made
7 - Charle - leaning scum mainly because of the way he's been posting
8 -Kong Ming - huge variable given sonic game play around character
9 - Homer - not much added but lean scum
10 - Ragian - neutral for now seems to be trying to figure the game out
11 - Zulu Warrior - neutral for now, nothing to really go on
12- Katyssis - neutral for now but vote was odd

[Devante]

Much like the last game I feel inclined to follow suit with LC. I trusted my gut on Sonic last game and we got the thing day 1 and so far LC has been yelling at my gut the same way. The one thing that has me really confused is the game play around Kong. He dies as house, then comes back as chef, Sonic states he's not the patron but says nothing else, so that leaves me very uncertain as what to make of his character. Who has also not posted anything since stating he is in the game. I do not care for that at all

[HottBunnie]

Makes sense Dev but you’re being neutral on everyone, but me doesn’t help with the needle very much yet lol. That said I don’t really have much else to go on yet. I will tell you that there will be a third tonight. It sounds like based on the gameplay. So they have the option to recruit or kill. I would assume they would recruit on the first night, but I don’t think that’s a necessity.

[Ragian]

I'm getting more and more annoyed with people saying my feelings of inadequacy in this game is BS. I know I can play mafia, but so far the mod has posted more than a fair few players (I think - feel perhaps - I don't have the actual numbers) and apparently we are to look for clues in pictures and long mod post. I just...I can't be bothered. It's not my thing. For that, I feel inadequate. Sniffing out scum I feel more comfortable doing. I never said otherwise. That said, decent posts by Devante. I remember that I am often harsh on him for being sparse with thoughts. Here, they're out in the open. Something that I think everyone should follow.

Off the top of my head, I'm frowning at the following:
- Loose for narrowing down who is/isn't the patron/secretary based on...yeah, I honestly don't follow what it's based on. And for not using commas.
- Charle for playing Cluedo. Hjelp seems guilty of this, too.
- Homer for starting something that he a) didn't commit to himself and b) said he didn't want answered. I now understand that it referred to something from the previous games and that I may have been overly harsh on Homer.
- Kong and the new kids on the block (badabum-tschj) for not posting enough.
- HottBunnie for making me glance over the flavour posts and thus missing if there's anything in there.
- Annie for making me feel different about her than I have in previous games.
- King for promising something that didn't seem to materialise.

I like Dev, though. I fear it's the steady farmhand that enthralls me.

That said, I'm most likely out for the next two days.

FP'ed by HB with a to the point flavour free post. Thank you <3

[hjelp]

@ Devante

..
Hjelp is there a reason you're saying 3?
...

this was my first regarding this.

As the game needs 2 Circle members at the start and KongMing got souped... Kong, by default, died as House.

Some of you have received new cards to reshuffle the Kong Soup situation.

I read it as -"... Kong, by default, died as House." and House is not the Circle as far as I understand => Kong was House.
Now the members coming in, therefore reshuffle?
This means that Circle now has three members and Kong was chosen as secretary.
then the Circle now are three members and they can't invite anymore and will kill tonight.

I also wrote this

I can't see a rule regarding not posting. So kong maybe won't post anything - to keep us in the dark regarding being the secretary and so we think kong is out of the game. It will turn out later.

and other things regarding the consequenses that follows if we don't lynch the secretary D1.

[Devante]

Ok fair enough but everything Sonic has stated only references two scum, a patron and secretary. And in your post you jump to kong being a secretary I just can't understand what that is based on, or whether you just randomly chose it or if you knew he was/wasn't. That's my dilemma I can't understand why you're stating that unless you know something the rest of us don't. Aside from that I agree that Kong is heavy on the suspicious list but I need to mind the gap of why you said what you said as to me it does not make sense. It contradicts what LC and Sonic has referenced. Hence why I have you as leaning scum.

[homer_jay]

there shouldn't be confusion about the set up of the game. there's a patron, chosen at random. there's a secretary, chosen by the patron. the patron knows the secretary. the secretary does not know the patron, and will find out who that is N1. N1, the patron will recruit another member of the circle. it's not stated explicitly, but seems to be an option to kill. but i don't see what the benefit of that would be, so i would assume a recruitment will be coming

there is no 2nd patron. while i'm not in favour of a D1 kill in general, the benefit of finding the patron is that the secretary cannot recruit.

now on to my thoughts on the game. i've commented on LC's gameplay of late, but that eraticness seems to be gone in this game. i'm with dev on this point. my gut says that following LC's lead is the right way to go.

the other player i whose recent gameplay i mentioned is charle. and i don't think he's done anything to change opinions there. LC summed it up well. it's posts that say nothing and the only thing they accomplish is not getting an inactivity warning, followed by a vote on me with no justification for why?

one issue we may have in this game though is activity. the game is moving along with minimal contributions from 4 players. that leaves 8 players actually playing, and we need 7 votes from them. if the two circle members are active, we're in trouble. so hopefully king is circle, because i don't think the other three barely-actives would be. he did say he'll post "tonight" but sure when tonight falls for him.

[Loose Canon]

Official vote count

Devante: 1 by Hotbunnie
Kong: 1 by Hjelp
Charle: 1 by Loose Canon
Homer: 1 by Charle

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

First course (the mulligatawny) ends in 7 days:

Spoiler

https://countingdownto.com/w4/first-cou ... -soup-og79

Bunnie, Hjelp are you at least minded to unvote for now in light of the posts since each of you voted?

[hjelp]

Ok fair enough but everything Sonic has stated only references two scum, a patron and secretary. And in your post you jump to kong being a secretary I just can't understand what that is based on, or whether you just randomly chose it or if you knew he was/wasn't. That's my dilemma I can't understand why you're stating that unless you know something the rest of us don't. Aside from that I agree that Kong is heavy on the suspicious list but I need to mind the gap of why you said what you said as to me it does not make sense. It contradicts what LC and Sonic has referenced. Hence why I have you as leaning scum.

It's no contradiction - you wrote it yourself

Much like the last game I feel inclined to follow suit with LC. I trusted my gut on Sonic last game and we got the thing day 1 and so far LC has been yelling at my gut the same way. The one thing that has me really confused is the game play around Kong. He dies as house, then comes back as chef, Sonic states he's not the patron but says nothing else, so that leaves me very uncertain as what to make of his character. Who has also not posted anything since stating he is in the game. I do not care for that at all

and the secretary is the one that will be Circle once chosen.

it says dealt card is dead - and also kong died as house - so thath's my conclusion.

[hjelp]

Official vote count

Devante: 1 by Hotbunnie
Kong: 1 by Hjelp
Charle: 1 by Loose Canon
Homer: 1 by Charle

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch!

First course (the mulligatawny) ends in 7 days:

Spoiler

https://countingdownto.com/w4/first-cou ... -soup-og79

Bunnie, Hjelp are you at least minded to unvote for now in light of the posts since each of you voted?

can't see any stronger reason to unvote at the moment

[hjelp]

@ Dev

I also pointed you Patron so I understand why you're arguing for me as suspicious. And you only have to read what I wrote - there is a search for posted, you only have to type hjelp and search and you will find what I've posted. - So by that - this makes you more am more to be the Patron in my eyes. Hot Bunnie is only a pawn.

[Loose Canon]

So let me get this straight Hjelp.

You won't unvote Kong even though you know he is NOT the patron?

[Charle]

this also is a bit strange to me, i must say. the only reason i am not voting hjelp now is that the odds of being the bad guy twice in a row is a bit far fetched?

[hjelp]

@ Loose
@ Charle

The Secretary can't invite. Patron alone can invite => if we vote D1 secretary kong then Circle can't kill N1 but Patron can send a new invitation N1 and by D2 Circle are three members again. But at D2 Hosue won't know who was chosen as the third member. So we can prevent a kill N1 if we are aligned. But from D2 we are in the dark. As long as Patron not voted out => invitations will continue. killing will contine (if three Circle members or more) and killed House members (by knife) are out of the game.
Also Patron win if parity 1=1 (excuse me for the mathematic notation).

so Dev is the Patron, but we don't have to guess the Patron yet since lynching the secretary means that the Circle is down to two and no kill N1 - and if it turns out that Dev can flip Patron then I suggest we lynch Dev d2.

That is my thinking - I'm more certain of that kong is the secretary than that Dev is the patron - hence I vote to lynch kong

[Loose Canon]

Well then i wont beat about the bush

I think charle is patron and hjelp thinks so too
Hjelp is probably secretary (but possibly minion if sonic introduced one - not seen any evidence of minion from sonic but not looked for it)

Hjelps logic would be if charle is patron then attracting vote onto hjelp would preserve recruiting onto a cleanskin n1

[annieh]

this also is a bit strange to me, i must say. the only reason i am not voting hjelp now is that the odds of being the bad guy twice in a row is a bit far fetched?

Nothing about what happened before tonight affects the random assignment of patron. I think you know that.

[Loose Canon]

Yes and Charle should think that you think he knows that.

Really tutttt how can Charle be so thoughtless around a lady!

[hjelp]

well if one wants to deny the inhereted The Thing game and don't look at the consequnces by the invitations and and the killings. Then we know nothing.
- so why do we have information regarding kong died as house and still in the game?
Invitations turn House members to circle members. So it's a fast game.
Patron caqrd - "you alone may invite" - is it to be read -you alone- or - when you alone - since - when - isn't there => likely Patron is the only one that can invite. Prior is to find the Patron. But since information regarding kong and still in the game ... I find it very likely that kong is the secretary. more than likely to guess who the Patron is D1.
I'm House and the most of you are as well (except for threee Circle members now). But each night an invitation can be made turning a House member to a Circle member.

[Loose Canon]

Getting secretary in a lynch is a standstill consolation
prize for not getting the patron in a lynch.
We have to get patron asap because longer it takes more uphill it becomes.

You could be secretary hjelp.

I say could be because i revise my earlier post about no evidence of a minion. A 3p with a win condition of a circle win is actually a minion.

So you are secretary or minion hjelp.

Charle is patron.

Who the other of the secretary/3p is i dont know. It could actually be kong.

Charle should be lynched d1 as by far best chance of house win.

And whichever you are hjelp -you know it

[hjelp]

@ Loose Canon

I think you are at the bottom of an upside down cone - a joke

no, seriously . Patron is primary but we have no clues for the Patron what so ever, but I may have missed a clue ?. - though, there are clues pointing at kong as I see it.