The Thing! Science Team wins!

[SoN!c]

Charle, you’re right on one thing: “didn’t vote my BT” is not a town clear by itself. A Thing who saw the wagon forming would stay off it for exactly that reason.

So I shouldn’t have phrased my idea's on Homer/Dev/Traf that cleanly.

What I actually trust on them is the content, not the absence of a vote. But by content, i expected the absence of that vote. Perhaps thats a better way of putting it.

Dev: wants Traf posting, asks DDS about replacement, says hammering me is not ideal because I’m not the likely N0 recruit. That’s a town problem he is having, not a Thing issue.

Homer: same bucket until he posts a plan. I want a post from him tough before I treat him as higly town.

Traf: I’m not calling him town because he skipped the game sofar. I’m calling OGT unlikely because DDS does not leave an AWOL original in a 10-player Thing game, and nobody with a brain N0-recruits a guy who is just a silent seat.

Hjelp is the better lynch target.

He put Traf first, then jumped on me the second there were already a few votes, in fact jumping all over the place, wrote “I call your hand,” (That phrase only makes sense if I was dodging. I wasn’t), then after No reaction went back to “old player plan / maybe mid-player plan / is Traf even worth a D1 lynch?” That is not a line: he dumped Traf as fast he could when a wagon started elsewhere..

That is covering wherever the wagon is.

So Hjelp is the must SUS - self-preservation play to avoid BT all day long.. And the strong vote by Kong on Hjelp will give us an indication of which side they both stand on. Hard to believe they are alligned.

Again Hjelp was wherever the wagon was as long its not on him.

[hjelp]

I agree completely with Loose. A clean Sonic means a lot for us now. Don't know why are you so upset about it Sonic, it is a good thing. Luckily you are not the Bad Thing!

Anyway, I will follow your lead for sure.

Lynch Hjelp

FP'd by hjelp

But this one is to jump on the wagon.

[hjelp]

BTW- did DDS posted that SoN!c-test was negative?
Or is it obvious since SoN!c is still playing- DDS can be bust?

I found DDS post - no reaction.

- Loose Canon

I would expect the reason for Sonics vote on Hjelp is Hjelp was playing encertainly/confused then landed his vote on Sonic with the bold I call your hand Sonic
And that his was the fourth vote.

Who do you think is a better suspect than you Hjelp?

Charle and Traf are still my primary suspects - they are old players - but if to drop the old player-plan then
Traf might be mod-killed but not during D1? So is it worth a Traf lynch?
Regarding Charle - have posted.

- SoN!c

Charle and Traf are still my primary suspects
even more Charle now since Charle joined the wagon and put me L-1.


Also, I maybe jumped around but argued for every step.

[Loose Canon]

I on the other hand to Sonic find Devante the most suspicious right now.

Devante - who do you suspect most?

[SoN!c]

I on the other hand to Sonic find Devante the most suspicious right now.

Devante - who do you suspect most?

Do you even realize how suspicious you look yourself?

[Loose Canon]

Ill live with it.

I could live with going silent on you yesterday in belief it was best thing to do thinking you were going to be bt'd and would be best if you were bt'd

[hjelp]

BTW- did DDS posted that SoN!c-test was negative?
Or is it obvious since SoN!c is still playing- DDS can be bust?

I found DDS post - no reaction.

- Loose Canon

I would expect the reason for Sonics vote on Hjelp is Hjelp was playing encertainly/confused then landed his vote on Sonic with the bold I call your hand Sonic
And that his was the fourth vote.

Who do you think is a better suspect than you Hjelp?

Charle and Traf are still my primary suspects - they are old players - but if to drop the old player-plan then
Traf might be mod-killed but not during D1? So is it worth a Traf lynch?
Regarding Charle - have posted.

- SoN!c

Charle and Traf are still my primary suspects
even more Charle now since Charle joined the wagon and put me L-1.


Also, I maybe jumped around but argued for every step.


The quotes were strange so I repost.

[SoN!c]

Time for you to claim who you are then.

L-1

[Charle]

hjelp, I am 100% clean at the moment, that i can assure you. Sonic is the only person we can trust here at the moment, so it is easy, I will follow what he will be doing.

[hjelp]

I'm Nauls and I'm neither infected nor OGT - I have no FT-ability so if you lynch me we will still have FT.

[SoN!c]

Loose, with his odd priorities and not the cleanest town look, thinks you’re town Hjelp. He now even suddenly comes up with "Devante is most suspicious"??

Why is that?

Because your vote path is the worst scum tell on the board. You even had to self-admit it: you boarded any wagon that came along. Just wagon-surfing as you go. Never once a consistent theory that lasted longer than the next wagon popping up in the distance.

A Traf wagon? Boop. Ticket scanned. “I’m on the Traf wagon! This is it! I’m sure! We're riding home! We got this"

New wagon on the horizon? Boop. Back on the platform. No, let's board the “3 old player plan” wagon. “This wagon is the one that is riding home! Yippie!”

No traction? Boop. Off the train. Just board a new wagon.

SoN!c wagon? Boop. New ticket bought. “I call your hand.” Very dramatic. Very late. Very "I saw another wagon and i had to jump on".

Then whatever wagon has air conditioning...

Give me good reasons why you think Charle is Thing. Actual reasons, not just because Charle is voting for you now.

Do you have theories about who could be OGT and who already recruited on N0 and why? Because your voting pattern shows none of it. Just jumping around.

I think You don’t. That’s the point (As Thing why should you have any theories on that? You never needed to think about that).

You only posted a timetable of whichever wagon had tickets left.

[HottBunnie]

OK, so here’s my thoughts. One you can blood test yourself so that’s big. Unfortunately, we can all use it, but it does mean that if anyone suggest to blood test themselves and then pulls it back that’s probably a problem. The other thing I see here I really think the OGT and recruit would have voted in the blood test. My suspicions right now are on Charles and HJELP. Charles was the first one to call the vote and I think hjelp is a good player someone I would have chosen to infect. I agree that Traf is also probably town but even so they’re non-participation is a problem but on day one it’s not gonna make any difference for us if they’re absent or actually gone. Unless if we could have a fill-in player right away, but that’s probably not going to happen. We need someone to be out first before we can have them replace an active player. So yeah, I’m down for a charle or a hjelp vote.

[HottBunnie]

But this also kind of clears loose because if Charles voted for loose to be tested right off the bat and if Charles is scum, then that means loose is not.

[hjelp]

- SoN!c

I think you adressed the last post to me?

I introduced the old-player-plan as a response to which whom I should recrute if I were OGT. And you jumped on it - and among them find one player for BT. I had Traf BT and didn't jumped on a wagon. The only wagon I jumped to was the SoN!c BT and I delcared I was prepared to change if there were an alignement for another candidate than Traf. Moreover - the Traf lynch vote never was a wagon to jump on. but I voted since Traf was my primary sucspect and I was changing my BT. - and why is Charle one of my primary suspects - Simply because Charle follow your trail. The most of the posts are about reinforce or accept your posts. As - want to keep the good faith with SoN!c. So may be.

But this is still strange -

Sonic, why are Homer and Dev town? and Traf for that matter? Just because they did not vote on the BT? Do you honestly think all the guilty ones would jump on the BT wagon? I personally would not, for the exact same reason as you cleared them to be town now. I have never voted for a lynch on the school game when I was scum.

What put the red flags up for me was when people jumped on your lynch wagon before we had a BT.

Why I voted for the BT? So that we could get a result, we have you cleared now, which is good for town and scum are on the back foot. And even more so, because you are active, as Loose rightfully said, a cleared Sonic is very good for town at the moment.

Charle wrote - "I have never voted for a lynch on the school game when I was scum" - . As to clear from being a scum. Only reason to write it is to be afraid of to be caught as scum.

[Charle]

Bunnie, what on earth did I do to make you think I am scum? because I followed Sonic's vote on a lynch? Sonic is town for now. I was the first on a bt vote, that is right, but I was not the one who jumped on the lynch band wagon so quickly before we had a bt done! To get the BT done early in the day is a good thing, it is not bad and I cannot see why it makes you believe i am scum.

@Sonic, what do you think of hjelp's claim? He could be Nauls as he started, but he could also be an infected Nauls. As I said, I will go whatever you decide, as you are the only one I trust at this moment. and @hjelp, that does not make me guilty.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Replacing Traf.

[SoN!c]

I agree Hjelp that there is a lot of FoS on Charle..

But: on BT standings there was never more then one vote on Charles when it mattered: and that was my own vote.

5 votes on me, including yours, Bunny and Annie's. 1 vote on Charle: mine.

So Hjelp: if your town and if you were most sus about Charle; you had your chance to vote for him to be blood tested (stick to your guns). Instead you jumped around..

The lynch on D1 is the most difficult. Only 2 out of 9 chance to get it right..

What i can say is that The Things are making this a great game. Everybody on the town side should feel like they are Hercule Poirot or Miss Marple. The sus is so high.. What a game and how hard it is to find the Things! Bravo Things whatever comes next!

@Charle; the claim is only important if he claimed to be "Mcready" - The current FT holder or - when Mcready was recruited N0 - "Windows". In any other case the claim is unimportant, as both Things will use the recruits name i imagine.

So nobody can use the "Charle voted first to BT SoN!c" line as a real reason because i forced his hand there. He was presented the choice to either selfvote or me..thats not a choice.

But town did that had that choice (and chance) to BT vote for him (my suspect) but didn't..

And Charle is playing great after a somewhat scummy start.

For example, Loose never saw Charle as Thing suspect despite the superfast right off the bat vote on him.

[Loose Canon]

Can hammer Sonic but don't really feel like he'd be the ideal one to do, would rather do one of the middle of the line players as their the most likely to have been the recruit

OK Devante I see you did vote to lynch Hjelp.
Why were you confident to vote lynch Hjelp but not confident to BT Sonic?

I'm just saying that the reason you gave for not joining the Sonic BT wagon was "one of the middle of the line players" - who sounded like Devante but wasn't Devante ( maybe there's a player called "teD evan" )
You became active when Sonic looked like he was going to be BT but didn't commit.
You'd have put yourself in (a lot of) danger if Sonic had tested positive but maybe you knew he wouldn't be.

You had previously gone through the list pros and cons of players who you'd have recruited as opposed to specifying one ( OK Sonic did too and some didn't specify at all)

So Sonic/Devante thats why I suspect Devante most of all.

But at the end of the day its Sonics sole call ultimately today.

FP'd DDS and Charle
and Sonic now (of course)

[Devante]

Can hammer Sonic but don't really feel like he'd be the ideal one to do, would rather do one of the middle of the line players as their the most likely to have been the recruit

OK Devante I see you did vote to lynch Hjelp.
Why were you confident to vote lynch Hjelp but not confident to BT Sonic?

I'm just saying that the reason you gave for not joining the Sonic BT wagon was "one of the middle of the line players" - who sounded like Devante but wasn't Devante ( maybe there's a player called "teD evan" )
You became active when Sonic looked like he was going to be BT but didn't commit.
You'd have put yourself in (a lot of) danger if Sonic had tested positive but maybe you knew he wouldn't be.

You had previously gone through the list pros and cons of players who you'd have recruited as opposed to specifying one ( OK Sonic did too and some didn't specify at all)

So Sonic/Devante thats why I suspect Devante most of all.

But at the end of the day its Sonics sole call ultimately today.

FP'd DDS and Charle
and Sonic now (of course)

I find it very hard to believe for someone who always rereads treads and over analyzes things you're questions already answered and requoted several times.

Middle of the line players I laid out my list. Hammer Sonic so we can move on to lynch as BT only had traction enough on Sonic. Don't think it's sonic cause of his posts and game play and turned out to be right. Voted Hjelp following Sonic once cleared. Right now the biggest FOS I have is on you. You zero in on Sonic like white on rice then back off once it gets enough traction. You are missing reads on the tread on my posts and now like a horny dog needing a bone humping at my leg. Like I said already posts got active after I got a warning for being absent. Reread what's posted last several pages and don't skip what doesn't suit your goals

[Devante]

Replacing Traf.

Hjelps at L-1 and has claimed so Unvote for now so replacement can chime in. Sonic if you still want to move forward on here I'm game but I got a number of questions starting to arise after the last several pages and certain posts

[DirtyDishSoap]

King replacing Traf

[SoN!c]

Yes Devante, wise choice.

Its in towns best interest to use the fullest of D1. The more we talk the more we get to know or notice things somebody else missed. Besides we can use the time so the Traf replacement can fill in on ideas / standings.

@Loose: town needs the Loose version of the Charle's friends game were you were superbrilliant - you know the one with Max.. So have a hot cup of soup / thee tonight, go to bed early and awaken that version in the morning.

[Kingm]

I have just read the whole thread.

Just wanted to say that I know for a fact that Traf did not have power for 3 days, he played from his phone the 3 days, but he did miss a turn, https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=24772043
I find it a bit sus that Devante did not point that out, since he is on the same team.

I fast read everything, and I'm feel we have no deadline for D1, so why are we "quick lynching" hjelp?

I would love to at least sleep on it and see what my brain thinks of all the new information it has read,

[Loose Canon]

Maybe
but devante made 5 posts in little over half an hour, whilst sonic was also posting leading up to self blood test vote.

Then 3 posts in little over half an hour following result of bt revealed by dds.

You have to ask whether he wasnt self concious about not voting to bt sonic within the 5.

Then coming out firing in the 3 vs hjelp wasnt that further self conciousness.

I offer this as grounds to be more suspicious of dev than hjelp

[SoN!c]

And "on the phone" it was impossible to make any comment here? Okay if you say so..

Dev is solid town in my book. But pkease do keep making things up out of thin air?

You 2 both want to make Dev your n°1 suspect?.. or is this just a bad case of "it could be anybody"? and i want to look interesting by saying so.. (Short version)

If Dev is both your n°1 suspect then please elaborate further because im not seeing it.