Civilitas High - Lesson 3: Maths

[DirtyDishSoap]

If you decided to save me based on what I read on your role, I owe you 10 ruppies.

If it's just some misogynist because they don't like the classy but sassy, your ass is grass!

[homer_jay]

LC's game has been erratic. but at this point, i would lean more towards Traf. he has a history of not participating D1 because of his very outspoken opinion that the first day is a waste of time. but his near silence D2 is out of character. it's true that even getting him to L-1 may not draw a response out of him. but at that point, are we losing much?

[Loose Canon]

Once again dds you are pushing this you and other wallflowers are town.

You wouldnt talk when challenged d2.

All this game is a vanilla game you have been peddling - well it clearly isnt

[hjelp]

@Loose Canon
Why did you make such a fuzz about the lynch of Charle?

[hjelp]

And HottBunnie was sent to the principal because of the protect action, if I understand correctly. So HottBunnie then saved someone she was thinking is Town.
Can we agree upon such assumption?

[hjelp]

For was it may be worth, I think we Townies are the Peanuts (Schulz).
If so then Annieh was Lucy (angry) and HottBunnie was Peppermint Patty (hippie). Main characters. So by that I think the claim LC made is scum.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Two scenarios for Bunny.

1. She got targeted.
2. She protected and sacrificed herself. (Pretty sure it's this, I don't know why she would be targeted).
Can only speculate.

Once again dds you are pushing this you and other wallflowers are town.

You wouldnt talk when challenged d2.

All this game is a vanilla game you have been peddling - well it clearly isnt

I didn't realize you were going to self implode the moment I ignored you so cheers.

I'm pushing the wallflower thing because it has so far proven to be our best bet in confirming town. Why you push back on this idea is probably because something along the lines of "Well, town figuring out who is who goes against I play, grr mad!"

I never claimed this a complete vanilla game. It's a "More or Less" plain game, verbatim. So far it clearly shows that is the case.
Wallflowers = Townies/Vanilla Town
Charle = Cheerleader/Goon
HotBunny = Hippie/Bodyguard
Annie = Angry Teen. This is the only one so far that broke norms. I've never seen a role that operates like this, or at least going off of the top of my head, plays something like a Jester or something. It's not normal/vanilla.

This is why I don't want to engage with you. This just detracts from actual scum hunting and goes back full circle of previous arguments that just devolve into "nuh uh!" "ya huh!" Pick someone else.

Standing up against what i believe is wrong.

There cant be flavoured vanillas without mafia having such power to blend in. It is not a vanilla game.
Dds whole power of arguments and persuasion is predicated that it is. Dds is either mafia or will lead town to defeat. A mafia ragian argued & persuaded town to defeat last game.

This aged nicely considering I had Charle pegged the beginning of D2.

[DirtyDishSoap]

LC's game has been erratic. but at this point, i would lean more towards Traf. he has a history of not participating D1 because of his very outspoken opinion that the first day is a waste of time. but his near silence D2 is out of character. it's true that even getting him to L-1 may not draw a response out of him. but at that point, are we losing much?

I really don't want to pursue Traf until he either gets replaced or is prodded to be more active. There isn't much to go off of. There's no activity to speak of, there's no voting pattern/history. He's the purest form of a 50/50. I'd like to pressure or even lynch the more actives that we currently have then pursue this route only because this is the easiest one that could just waste D3 altogether.

[Loose Canon]

Bunnys role had as far as i can work out only town utility in so far as she could sacrifice herself to save a townie with greater town utility. Maybe a town investigative, maybe a stronger protective, maybe to keep annie longer if she had been forced to claim and bunny believed her. No town investigative or stronger protective has come forward.

Annie power would have been town stronger the longer she survived.

My power told/tells us how many we are up against at any point in the game. Sort of links in with annie and bunnys i think. Also by making think about game set up flashes additional warning signs to me at least - but not dds- that not all wallflowers are town.

[hjelp]

Still LC - why all the fuzz?

Regarding wallflowers townies - they are the vanillas having no PR, or do I miss something?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Still LC - why all the fuzz?

Regarding wallflowers townies - they are the vanillas having no PR, or do I miss something?

His argument is this: People that breadcrumbed the Wallflower role should not be treated as confirmed town. In his own words, it's a mod error. (It isn't).

My argument and reasoning: Charle didn't figure it out (none of the other PR's figured this out). Max figured it out by DJ's breadcrumb. I concluded that Max must be town and that scum lack that information, hence why I tried to build a rapport. Loose is quite literally the only one pushing back on this idea because he's not a Wallflower.

I obviously disagree with Loose simply because 1. He's obviously not a Wallflower, therefor, could not come to the same conclusions. 2. I firmly believe this is his attempt to break up an already strong relationship of who is town and who isn't. Can just look at his playstyle from D1 to now. Rather not-tread old grounds, but it's pretty much anti-town behavior in almost every format.

Going into his claim...Knowing at all times how many scum remain is the weakest claim next to Charles absurd fake claim tracker that didn't activate until D3.

[DirtyDishSoap]

This is the closest I could find to what Loose has mentioned, but again, he's stating that's not how his role works.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Sensor

1. I think it's pretty obvious at this point that this a fake claim.

2. The whole "I know how many scum there are" schtik is weak. Know who else how many scum players are left? Scum do.

3. Even if this were a mislynch, the information isn't helpful anyways.

[Djfireside]

I agree with DDS on their notes and believe their claim, Im cautious of the other claims but to counter LCs ask, so far all actions and outcomes have proven town from the flowers so best to keep on it.

Loose Canon - at every turn has tried to turn attention away from Charle and trying to derail claims. Claimed to be scholarship kid and can see how many baddies are left but that information is biased and a good FC since they would know if they were bad themselves. Based on this claim it also means kids could become bad.
In terms of flavor if a Cheerleader is baddie, I could see the rich scholarship kid being bad too.

TrafalgarLaw01 - Not really active and based on how the game has progressed leaves me questioning them.

Cautious
Devante - Scattered but for the most part seems to be trending the right way

Cautious but Believed good
hjelp, Kingm, homer_jay

At this point I would be fine pushing Traf and trying to get a claim from them since we have some time but I believe LC is a baddie. I wont start the push on traf as with 5 being the number, I fear a "accidental" hammer and will watch but still by my thoughts for now.

Vote Loose Canon

[hjelp]

I have earlier stated why I’m suspicious about Loose Canon’s claim and added is the fuzz regarding the lynch of Charle.
Vote Loose Canon

[Devante]

I'll be sticking with my LC vote as well. Like I stated earlier LC and Charle were my two top scum suspects.

[homer_jay]

I'm pushing the wallflower thing because it has so far proven to be our best bet in confirming town. Why you push back on this idea is probably because something along the lines of "Well, town figuring out who is who goes against I play, grr mad!"

i'd be careful using words like "confirming". we don't have anything confirmed regarding who is town. and vanilla is always the easiest claim to make. too many claims can become suspicious, but no way to tell which are the legit ones and which are taking the easy route

[Loose Canon]

Granted my dislike of wallflower (saying minimal) playstyle in mafia games might have tainted my objectivity in this game.

Even so I still don't think this game is as easy as saying wallflower = innocence

Currnetly this game is 6 town v 2 mafia.

Yes you can lynch me and take this to 5 v 2.
Then mafia acts and takes it 4 v 2.
Then town will see that its mathematically impossible for the 2 to both be non wallflowers.

[Loose Canon]

Mafia hiding behind nothing vote/posts on me right now

[DirtyDishSoap]

Someone echoed this earlier but it comes down to activity. King hasn't said anything and I'm not hoping for Traf anytime soon. Just have to wait and see what Rags patience is at this point.

[hjelp]

It looks like nothing more will happen today? I will just wait and see if there will be any activity among the less active players.

[Loose Canon]

Well I'll point out we are in day3 and there has been no coming forward of investigative actions indicating guilt, innocence, even movement of players during breaks yet.

What we do have are the reveals of Annie and Bunny's roles.
With respect to Bunny's does this not indicate to you that there is a probability of an investigative in play?
- and then perhaps they have been looking in the wrong place for mafia?

I suspect one of the wallflowers - DDS most, shortly followed by DJF although unlikely both.

DDS spooked me D1 - for his certainty of Max, his backing off when challenged in interactions with me. I think he was creating a wallflower wall of innocence regarding himself and hiding behind that wall is quite possibly a mafia. The longer that no investigative comes forward with probably movement evidence the more likely a wallflower is not a wallflower.

[Ragian]

Attention students

At this time, I've been summoned to Edinburgh for an important meeting regarding the future of the school, which is why I'm in no position to follow your work in class as minutely as I desire.

However, we are well into Maths, so I've found it prudent to ask of the students hiding in the back either to attend class or forfeit their spot at our grand school.

Kind regards,
Principal Ragian

[hjelp]

two assumptions
I. Mafias are aware of each other.
II. Mafias don’t vote on themselves.

Players left
Djf-DDS-LC-hjelp-Kingm-Traf-Dev-homer.

Spoiler

Not voted on Charle were
LC-Traf-Dev
Not voted on LC are at the moment
Kingm-Traf-homer

Case LC flips Mafia
Traf flips Mafia since didn’t vote on Charle and no vote on LC at the moment.

Case LC flips Town
Dev happy to vote for LC since didn’t vote on Charle.

[Loose Canon]

1. Will be true D2 and probably but not necessarily true D1
2. Doesn't hold Mafia do vote on themselves - particularly early on - I wouldn't personally if I thought a definite loss if another mafia was lynched (as was the case for me the last time I played mafia) but in other circumstances I would and more to the point other players definitely do.

And following on from 2 mafia on mafia voting in this game would supplement hiding as wallflowers.

[DirtyDishSoap]