Line of Duty Mafia game - DAY 3

[Ragian]

Sheesh. What happened to being unable to fake whatever emotion or reaction that made you adamant that I'm town?

With so many town PRs exposed, I'm starting to wonder if our best shot is to do a mass claim. Maybe it's too early...

[strike wolf]

DJ, Hjelp and New King are my top 3. Annieh, Kong or Devante seem the most likely for a 4th. In a vacuum, Id pick Kong as the 4th. Im just hesitant to go for him considering hes soft claimed a protective role. Big risk for moderate reward.

[SoN!c]

Sheesh. What happened to being unable to fake whatever emotion or reaction that made you adamant that I'm town?

With so many town PRs exposed, I'm starting to wonder if our best shot is to do a mass claim. Maybe it's too early...

"When You Have Eliminated the Impossible Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be the Truth.."

S. Holmes

+ it would be so you to call it "so ballsy scum pulled that off" in the morning when in fact you are the exact scum who pulled that off..

+ town is hanging in the ropes but you are way too happy about it - you can even still say "sheesh"

[SoN!c]

DJ, Hjelp and New King are my top 3. Annieh, Kong or Devante seem the most likely for a 4th. In a vacuum, Id pick Kong as the 4th. Im just hesitant to go for him considering hes soft claimed a protective role. Big risk for moderate reward.

Why would the mod lower the vote quota if there was just 1 scum between those 2?

"DJ, Hjelp and New King are my top 3. Annieh, Kong or Devante seem the most likely for a 4th. In a vacuum, Id pick Kong as the 4th. Im just hesitant to go for him considering hes soft claimed a protective role. Big risk for moderate reward."

And you did not mention Ragian at all even if 2 of the 3 questions posed at you are about the possibility Ragian is the 4th.?

So your bussing DJ and Hjelp - makes sense to do that now so thanks and noted, but your soft protecting the strongest candidate by acting scum-dumb "forgot that" about it.. Noted also!

Strike - DJ - Hjelp - Ragian

Why not?


Ragian’s recent post is just about being unable to “fake emotions or reactions” that previously convinced people he was town, and floats a mass claim “but maybe too early.” This reads like a scum player frustrated that his town act is cracking under pressure unexpected.

Strike wolf publicly lists DJfireside and Hjelp as two of his top 3 mafia suspects (alongside New King), while calling himself town

This is classic bussing: throws two teammates under the bus to look independent and insightful.

On the day TrafalgarLaw01 (tracker claim) was pushed HARD and was about to get lynched, Hjelp, Ragian, and djfireside all voted Traf together...

Early D1 Ragian defends djfireside early when i called DJF a strong suspect, dismissing the case as “pretty bullshit.”
Hjelp immediately highlights this exact exchange and declares: “So DJF and Ragian are scum then...”

This is textbook scum play: one teammate lightly defends the other, a second teammate “calls it out” to look proactive and towny, while creating artificial conflict. Hjelp even follows up by saying scum don’t know teammates until N1 so “one can’t defend anyone D1” — a convenient cover for the observed defense.

Why not?

This isn’t random town chaos. It’s a tight 4-man team using light early distancing (Hjelp calling out the Ragian–DJ pair), coordinated votes on town targets, and selective bussing (strike wolf throwing teammates under the bus) to stay alive and misdirect. Brilliant scum play with Strike and Rag giving orders on scum chat and Hjelp executing that master class.

But it's the ONLY pattern that holds from D1 through now...

[SoN!c]

This is not random — it’s the result of consistent pressure on content, wagon timing, emotional/tone tells, and observed coordination.
Here is the detailed timeline and reasoning:

1) Early D1 – Immediate red flag on djfireside + big sus and clash with Ragian

2) D2 – flagging Hjelp & DJF as scum and pushing Traf hard as a scum tracker (because Rag was the claimed town tracker) and explicitly noted that Hjelp, Ragian, and djfireside were all voting Traf together — (coordinated scum voting because you scum should have been riding the Traf vote HARD).

I explicitly state the 4 scums are hiding among these 5 players:
Annieh
Ragian (“ballsy scum”)
Djfireside (“heavy sus”)
Hjelp (“heavy sus”)
strike wolf

I could be wrong on Annieh but if that is the case she deserves to win.

In short:

I've been extremely driving the process-of-elimination but persistent across days — i have flagged every single member of this quartet at some point (together with traf and Charle yes, but because of their scum play to get the process of eliminations going) while making sure this process never included exposing important town roles like the cop or the doc. And "When You Have Eliminated the Impossible Whatever Remains, However Improbable, Must Be the Truth." Traf and Charle are eliminated, so are Devante, Kong, King...

The Traf voting bloc wagon (Hjelp + Ragian + djfireside) and the very subtle coordination between them is the best lead we have pushing the tightest, most accurate scum pool in the entire game. Strike - not Annieh - is n°4.

[SoN!c]

So the plan is we go for DJ or Hjelp today. (Both bussed by Strike)

Town PR need to watch the 4 remaining : (DJ/Hjelp), Strike, Ragian, Annieh with Ragian - Strike - DJ as the scum core.

Unvote

Vote Hjelp

Sorry Hjelp - im 99% sure your scum and so says Strike. So im expecting Strike to place a vote on you too.


@Ragian: who did you track / watch N2 (or are you gonna say you are a 1 shot tracker?)

[Djfireside]

I dont have anything special to clear myself yet, I wish I did so Ill try what I can cause Im curious as to what Hjelp noted as their role as it being a backup role needing activation, I have an idea what that could be and i'm willing to push that and see what happens.

Vote Hjelp



Son!c is right in one thing though, Ragian had a tracking role exposed but hasnt come with any information.

[SoN!c]

Okay Hjelp, i saw you browsing this forum then leaving, then coming back, then leaving, then coming back.... without posting anything for hours now....are you feeling the HEAT?


Here is why Strike and not Annieh is the 4th scum:

Using "scan technique and NOT REID technique" here: (but the game "REID technique was based on S.C.A.N. technique..)

Line-by-Line SCAN Analysis on Strike's latest post :
Sentence 1: “DJ, Hjelp and New King are my top 3.”

Strong, direct commitment at first glance (“are my top 3”).
However, it immediately busses two suspected teammates (DJ + Hjelp) while naming a third (New King) to create confusion..
SCAN note: This is a classic selective bussing structure — the language is concise and ownership-based (“my top 3”), which can appear towny on the surface, but the choice of targets creates artificial distance from the core team.

Sentence 2: “Annieh, Kong or Devante seem the most likely for a 4th.”

Heavy qualifiers and lack of commitment: “seem the most likely” is a classic SCAN deception marker. Truthful statements tend toward more decisive language (“I think X is the 4th” or “X is the 4th”).
The list includes Annieh (the only town-leaning player inmy 5-person pool scum with DJ - Hjelp - Strike and ragian) mixed in with two others, to diluting town focus / creating more confusion...

Sentence 3: “In a vacuum, Id pick Kong as the 4th.”

Major SCAN red flag — “In a vacuum”????: This is an unnecessary qualifier / distancing phrase at any time - especially when town is down... It creates an artificial scenario that avoids full ownership of the read in the actual game context. Truthful statements rarely need such hypothetical framing when stating a genuine suspicion.
Notice: Pronoun shift to “Id” (I’d) is casual but paired with the qualifier, reducing commitment.

Sentence 4: “Im just hesitant to go for him considering hes soft claimed a protective role.”

Another cluster of qualifiers: “Im just hesitant” + “considering” — THIS SCREAMS double hedging. SCAN flags repeated lack of conviction, especially when avoiding action against a claimed role.
The explanation focuses on why not to lynch rather than providing concrete reasons why Kong is scum. This creates imbalanced structure: more energy spent on avoidance than on justification.
And “soft claimed” is accurate but used here as a shield..

Sentence 5: “Big risk for moderate reward.”

Short, conclusive-sounding, but it reinforces the previous hedging without adding new perceptual or game-specific details.
SCAN note: Extraneous risk/reward analysis that feels like impression management (“I’m being careful and strategic”) rather than raw suspicion...

In short: This is just elaborate framing because=: Multiple qualifiers and distancing: “seem the most likely”, “In a vacuum I’d pick”, “just hesitant”, “Big risk for moderate reward” — heavy lack of conviction..+ Imbalanced structure: 90% of the post is spending significant space explaining why not to lynch a protective claim while listing teammates (DJ + Hjelp) as top suspects without deep justification..

And this all comes with a BIG Bussing pattern: Strike throws likely teammates under the bus while omitting Ragian entirely (even when questioned about him) — this creates an artificial “insightful” tone without full commitment..

Now compare that to Annieh's posts : far more direct, use strong first-person commitment, quote-and-dismantle specific claims, and showing balanced structure versus Strike's clear signs of calculated deception and Strikes over distancing phrases..

You can draw that base line all across D1 to D3.. It applies to ant Strike post compared to Annieh's. And that is why my gamble is on Annieh being town and Strike flipping scum.

So who do you think is scum out of those 2 : Strike or Annieh?

[SoN!c]

correction on typo errors: "It applies to ant Strike post compared to Annieh's." = "It applies to any Strike post compared to Annieh's".

[SoN!c]

Well Hjelp dissapeared again....

You know Hjelp: you can hide your online status: go to CONTROL PANEL > BOARD PREFERENCES > set "HIDE MY ONLINE STATUS" to yes...

[Kingm]

hmm, now I feel like I'm just following the "leader", and really not sure how smart this is, because I feel you have cleared a couple that probably not should have been cleared, but I need to just take 4-5 hours and read all 684 posts again, and analyze and think (and I probably should not say this since I do not love to have to "talk away the sus", but we need to get it right today if we have any shot at winning this game).

So from your latest post you are "sure" that there is 4 scum and that DJ, hjelp and Ragian are 3 of them, and Annieh or Strike is the last one, and thats why you now switched to one you are 100% sure about, I have to say I'm a bit more skeptical then you, but at the moment I do not have anything better so:

Unvote

Vote Hjelp

FP: SoN!c

[SoN!c]

hmm, now I feel like I'm just following the "leader", and really not sure how smart this is, because I feel you have cleared a couple that probably not should have been cleared, but I need to just take 4-5 hours and read all 684 posts again, and analyze and think (and I probably should not say this since I do not love to have to "talk away the sus", but we need to get it right today if we have any shot at winning this game).

So from your latest post you are "sure" that there is 4 scum and that DJ, hjelp and Ragian are 3 of them, and Annieh or Strike is the last one, and thats why you now switched to one you are 100% sure about, I have to say I'm a bit more skeptical then you, but at the moment I do not have anything better so:

Unvote

Vote Hjelp

FP: SoN!c

I agree - but the only other player im realy skeptical about is you... so if you wanna confirm that sus then take all the time you need silly.

Otherwise (if not) follow me on the 4 real sus : Ragian - Strike - DJ - Hjelp

[hjelp]

Okay Hjelp, i saw you browsing this forum then leaving, then coming back, then leaving, then coming back.... without posting anything for hours now....are you feeling the HEAT?
....

No, it's rather cold in Northern Sweden. I browsed just before bed time and then went to sleep. Today is a new day. I will browse a bit.

[hjelp]

Earlier posts updating thoughts

I think that Charle was the one that sent the "hot Cup of Tea" and Devante is Town.

I posted D1

I'm thikning loud.
Sorry about many quotes ...but I'm still a bit conserned about the "friendship" Ragian - SoN!c
Also conserned regarding a lot of good reasoning deriving motivation for the votes made (that's why all the "....." in the vote-
quotes)
Annieh seems to me of being honest except if I read the first post regarding a player to vote on. That is a bit bothering.
Not sure about Djf vote .. not much reasoning motivated.

However I did post

So DJF and Ragian are scum then ...

Which was

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@kongming3
yes "... it came out of Ragian somewhat defending DJF in the sense that he said suspicions on DJF thus far are pretty bullshit ..." - It was a short compilation of the DJF-Ragian discussion that occured. At the moment, the conversation rearding DJF-Ragian is nothing reliable to built upon (more than that Ragian sort to speak defended DJF) and it would be a "long shot" nailed by a sharp shooter Annie in "Annie get your gun" (but not annieh) to think that DJF and Ragian are scum only because of what was previous discussed in the thread.

If we should vote night 1 because time is not on our side, I'd sooner vote for the player who said they had limited time than the one who added fun backstory. And I'd vote for someone who said nothing at all before either of them.

Almost brand new to mafia, brand new to CC mafia

I'm making a vote!
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I wanted to wait for Kingm to come back and say there’s some context, some reasonable explanation and maybe he will. Maybe he even has some game expertise that makes him worth keeping around. I’m on team vote someone Day 1, no one has given me a better reason to vote for them than he has, and idk when this day ends, so…

VOTE Kingm

To be honest, I think there's only a few that I won't vote for, but I'm a bit iffy about the latest VC. I will vote, however, because our deadline is looming, and all we've learned so far is untangible. I mean, it's good for the long run, but it doesn't move us forward when no one else is going for it.

I don't like Charle's behaviour around our cafuffle, and I don't like that kingm and hjelp have voted for someone who's not here (i.e. lynching blind giving no solid info to town). I could also be persuaded to vote for Traf or Strike given how they've been here but not been here. Strike, however, said that he was very busy and I believe that. I think I'm going with kingm for now. He has voted for a blind lynch, and he already has a vote to his name (which is lucky for hjelp).

Vote KingM

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Ragian is essentially telling everyone: “If I die tonight, start your thinking from these assumptions.” That is either very bold and super intelligent scum play to do this right now, or it is just simple genuinely town play (solving the game wanting a record of their reasoning).

To post both of those things (honest emotion AND town-motivated behavior) right now....i can't see a scum thinking of that, not even Ragian. Sorry Rags but that means you got Good boy points!

And if Ragian is town then we have Kingm,
.....

This is a rapid suspicion withdrawal, with the desire to convince others of something that is just not the truth or to just generate doubts. A typical scum move. Innocent people usually commit longer to their beliefs.

Sounvote


Vote Kingm

I'm here!

Front end of the posting pause was when things were going towards a kingm vote which I have been in support of. Along with other fresh suspicions being aired that I wanted to give room for.

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My complaints against kingm- a recap

He hints at bandwagon, I poke, he recounts his statement wrong, I'm sold on a lynch, he digs deeper grave with another unreliable statement comment, digs grave deeper with premature claim.

This is more evidence than I hoped to be able to go by Day 1. It's still far from a certainty and not so much worse than other allegations.

THAT SAID

I'm so mad at the non commenters I'm ready to risk killing the damn Dr to send one of them packing. My suggestion would be Cod on a last in first out basis.
Keep whatever information we have on king- his beef with sonic etc.

THAT SAID

The risk of hitting a power role is real and if king is a townie, I believe he's a vanilla one and I like that risk reduction.

THAT SAID

With our current number of votes, it would have to be unanimous. Which means a self vote which means nothing happens. So, above all, GET YOUR GADDAMN REPORTS IN!!

King has jumped all over the place in the course of 2 minutes and does seem rather jumpy. Anxiety... its watching me... Lets see what this shakes out of the carpet

UNVOTE
VOTE KingM

I agree with Annieh, we will need all voters to reach L-8 with so many AWOL players..

Kingm is at 4 (SoN!c, Ragian, annieh, Djfireside if im correct) so :

@Hjelp : voting Cofari is quite useless this late in the game day. Cofari will never reach 8 votes..
@Kong and Charle: time to take a stance on Kingm's flip? The time is now..
@Homerjay: you already stated you have no problem with lynching Kingm i believe? Time to do or do not is here

@the lurkers: play or have the decency to inform the game master LC your out
@Trafstard: no worries im not counting on you to lynch kingm

Or vote no lynch but don't regret it later..

So
- let's pretend that Ragian and Djf are scum (weak sort of defending)
- SoN!c "friendship" Ragian (good points)
- annieh changing a bit regarding "vote for someone who said nothing at all before either of them."
- Djf hooks on the bandwagon
It makes a total of four and all of them have voted on Kingm.

If these gang of four are scum then Kingm likely flips Town.
and annieh -"The risk of hitting a power role is real and if king is a townie, I believe he's a vanilla one and I like that risk reduction." it maybe isn't risky if annieh is scum too.

I haven't yet search for reasoning (posts made) in this game if Scums are more likely to lynch D1 or Townies are more likely to lynch D1.
With that said - It's risky to point finger at a bandwagon.

SoN!c is Town and if to follow SoN!c that Ragian is scum
-> Ragian & Djf & Annieh are scum

and after that I stated

I shall not quote in this post.

There are concerns raised regarding my vote on an inactive player - meaning that it won't give us anything.
I say that it depends on the outcome.
If Cofari flips Town - then it's like Kingm flips Town (though it might differ in town PRs or no PR at all).
If Cofari flips Scum - then it's like Kingm flips Scum (though it might differ in scum PRs or no PR at all).
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I was indeed reluctant to vote on Kingm D1. But Annieh was one of them pushing hardest to lynch Kingm and was contradicting herself. It's the only crack Annieh so far has posted. But it is a crack. - "Annieh seems to me of being honest except if I read the first post regarding a player to vote on. That is a bit bothering. ".

So by that - my scum list is

- Ragian
- Djf
- Annieh
- strike wolf

strike wolf is on the list since nothing substantial. And why bring up the "fast N1 action" ?

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Loose also made comments that make it clear at least one player was late sending actions N1. I can promise that I was actually quick to send my N1 action despite otherwise not being super active late D1.

I am town though I doubt I can prove it at this point. If Son!cs info about Devante is correct (and Im not sure it is) that leaves Kong, Djfireside, Annie, Hjelp and Kingm. Out of those 5, Annieh is the only one whos given me a strong town vibe and Kong may be town doc. So Dj, Hjelp and Kingm would be the 3 Id look at.
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[annieh]

No one else is super concerned about the cop being sane until made otherwise? I'm very hung up on it.

I do have more to say on the four scum theory and will be back with those reports later.

[Kingm]

No one else is super concerned about the cop being sane until made otherwise? I'm very hung up on it.

I do have more to say on the four scum theory and will be back with those reports later.

I'm scared, I have a feeling that people like Sonic has cleared way to many, its probably a reason why everything we has always turn up town, yeah like Sonic was 100% D1, but that was D1, I have not enough experience to know if there is many roles that can turn a player from town to scum, but there has to be some, so yeah I would not be surprised if at least 1 of the dudes we have cleared as towns, end up as scum, I would actually be more surprised if it did not happen.

[Loose Canon]

Current Vote Count

hjelp 3 - Sonic, DJFireside, Kingm

[SoN!c]

No one else is super concerned about the cop being sane until made otherwise? I'm very hung up on it.

I do have more to say on the four scum theory and will be back with those reports later.

Yes but the cop is dead. So what's the difference between a sane dead cop and an insane dead cop?

The mechanic seemed to be related to the cop only - just like in a previous game were cop charle had the "sane" / "insanity" mechanic in play..

And Homer cleared Traf D2 so i don't think our cop got "insane" on N1 (meaning the result on Traf is correct). Ofcourse this is not a 100% garantee.

The only thing it really means is scum has a PR that can flip night results.. But with the cop dead and with 14 alive N1 the chance that scum picked Homer out (on N1) is just very small in the end.

[annieh]

No one else is super concerned about the cop being sane until made otherwise? I'm very hung up on it.

I do have more to say on the four scum theory and will be back with those reports later.

Yes but the cop is dead. So what's the difference between a sane dead cop and an insane dead cop?

The mechanic seemed to be related to the cop only - just like in a previous game were cop charle had the "sane" / "insanity" mechanic in play..

And Homer cleared Traf D2 so i don't think our cop got "insane" on N1 (meaning the result on Traf is correct). Ofcourse this is not a 100% garantee.

The only thing it really means is scum has a PR that can flip night results.. But with the cop dead and with 14 alive N1 the chance that scum picked Homer out (on N1) is just very small in the end.

I thought maybe it wasn't cop only! I feel much better knowing there's a precedent for it. Thank you, this is the sort of explanation I was looking for. I also don't think Homer would have been immediately corrupted.

[SoN!c]

I'm scared, I have a feeling that people like Sonic has cleared way to many, its probably a reason why everything we has always turn up town, yeah like Sonic was 100% D1, but that was D1, I have not enough experience to know if there is many roles that can turn a player from town to scum, but there has to be some, so yeah I would not be surprised if at least 1 of the dudes we have cleared as towns, end up as scum, I would actually be more surprised if it did not happen.

This is not the time to start re-questioning things or to be pushing paranoia. Town needs to stand together.

You could give your opinion on Hjelp's backup role claim for example, because it is very convenient (no name, no "strings attached" that he still hasn't explained). And if he is a back-up — so just vanilla for now — how come he knows he is a back-up? That part feels off to me. He hinted to have PR on D2... and on D2 the back-up could not be in play because why would we need a PAPER TRAIL back-up? Also Hjelp questioning why I didn’t protect homer feels like classic scum trying to create doubt on confirmed actions — That kind of second-guessing only helps scum or comes from scum to sow doubt.

Or you could give your idea on the others if you don't like Hjelp as a target for now:

Djfireside: Has been floating under the radar with vague posts and minimal engagement on the big claims (kong visit, homer kill, mod clues from the Kingm lynch). Anyone else seeing the same low-content pattern and want to share their thoughts?

Ragian: Ballsiest of the bunch. You know he is. I'd like to hear who he tracked on N2 and what the results were...

@Traf / @kongming3 / @Kingm / @Charle: Thoughts on this scum ordering (Hjelp, DJ, Strike, Ragian)? Anyone want to push Djfireside or hjelp harder today instead, or counter with why Ragian / Strike should be higher on that list?

Because the list is clear;

1. strike wolf
2. TrafalgarLaw01 TOWN (cleared by Homer)
3. ORIGINAL Devante TOWN ALIGNED - PAPER TRAIL - KILLED NIGHT 1
4. Ragian
5. Djfireside
6. Cofari VANILLA TOWN - MODKILLED DAY2
7. hjelp
8. homer_jay TOWN ALIGNED - INTEROGATOR - KILLED NIGHT 2
9. NEW DEVANTE TOWN (cleared by mod pm)
10. ORIGINAL Kingm VANILLA TOWN - LYNCHED DAY2
11. Charle TOWN (cleared by claim)
12. kongming3 TOWN cleared by Doc claim - uncountered
13. SoN!c TOWN (cleared by Charle's letter)
14. NEW KINGM townish due to the mechanical mod clue
15. annieh



Let’s not splinter. We have a strong confirmed core now — let's use it.

[hjelp]

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You could give your opinion on Hjelp's backup role claim for example, because it is very convenient (no name, no "strings attached" that he still hasn't explained). And if he is a back-up — so just vanilla for now — how come he knows he is a back-up? That part feels off to me. He hinted to have PR on D2... and on D2 the back-up could not be in play because why would we need a PAPER TRAIL back-up? Also Hjelp questioning why I didn’t protect homer feels like classic scum trying to create doubt on confirmed actions — That kind of second-guessing only helps scum or comes from scum to sow doubt.
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I could have stated the question as
- is it 100 % that you didn't protect homer_jay?
You mentioned that you gambled, instead of just saying, I didn't protect homer_jay.
Why is it an important question? Because if

A. You protected homer_jay, it means that you probalby were role-blocked.
B. You didn't protect homer_jay, then you could have been role-blocked but not necessarily.

By that, if A it can be concluded that Scum has a role-blocker, likely. If B nothing can be said, likely. Or do I miss something?

And then my back-up role. It's a PR since back-up. A vanilla can't have a back-up role. I know what it takes to get it activated. My back-up role isn't tied to a specific PR if activated. I have no idea how come LC gave me this back-up.

[hjelp]

To be clear. If activated I can have any of towns PR, but only one PR, unless the PR is "wasted".

[SoN!c]

I did not protect Homer in the end. I just made it look i would because i felt we are behind so i took the gamble. I could have been role blocked anyway yes. But not necessarily.. hence why i believe Kongs doc claim because how he handled it seems very believable without a doc counterclaim.

Ofcourse you could argue there is no town doc in play but if that is the case why would scum know that?

[hjelp]

I think that kongming3's claim is plausible - I don't have kongming3 on my list. Since your protection only is twice it's reasonable that we have a doctor PR. And there is no counterclaim.

[SoN!c]

@Hjelp: What are your toughts on DJfireside?