The unholy story of Count Giure "Grando" Stregone TOWN WINS!

[Charle]

Charle, can you confirm how the letter you got worked and how it was presented to you?

I received a message (PM) from Mod which said the following:

You received a letter in a big envelope from "B".
- Somebody was converted last night
- Under no circumstances you can trust D1 info

You and 2 others will receive letters from "B".
As Secret Agent you are the only one that receive letters by PM.
You will receive letters from time to time with clues leading to the identity of Grando.

PS. DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY!

END


With the above I get to the following conclusions:
1. Because I am the Bishop's Secret Agent, I assume "B" stand for Bishop
2. I guess the other 2 that receive letters are the Masons but they do not get it through PM but probably somewhere else where they meet
3. I have a very strong feeling that Kong lied about receiving a letter earlier, so we cannot trust any "Town Confirmed" as per my earlier post.

[Charle]

Charle, in light of fusi's v jfm/DDS... I think it would be useful to know fusi's full role.

I sent the request and will post the result as soon as I receive it.

[Extreme Ways]

Charle, can you confirm how the letter you got worked and how it was presented to you?

I received a message (PM) from Mod which said the following:

You received a letter in a big envelope from "B".
- Somebody was converted last night
- Under no circumstances you can trust D1 info

You and 2 others will receive letters from "B".
As Secret Agent you are the only one that receive letters by PM.
You will receive letters from time to time with clues leading to the identity of Grando.

PS. DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY!

END


With the above I get to the following conclusions:
1. Because I am the Bishop's Secret Agent, I assume "B" stand for Bishop
2. I guess the other 2 that receive letters are the Masons but they do not get it through PM but probably somewhere else where they meet
3. I have a very strong feeling that Kong lied about receiving a letter earlier, so we cannot trust any "Town Confirmed" as per my earlier post.

Interesting...

One sec, I want to scroll back a bit

[Extreme Ways]

Chinese piu-wuy or that other gambling game - "make 9"- is mandalin or cantonese..

2 masons
2 vampire faction
2 wolves
2 ?
2 rest of town
2 ?
1 other guy

Ah, this was a mod message

[Votanic]

Charle, can you confirm how the letter you got worked and how it was presented to you?

I received a message (PM) from Mod which said the following:

You received a letter in a big envelope from "B".
- Somebody was converted last night
- Under no circumstances you can trust D1 info

You and 2 others will receive letters from "B".
As Secret Agent you are the only one that receive letters by PM.
You will receive letters from time to time with clues leading to the identity of Grando.

PS. DO NOT TRUST ANYBODY!

END


With the above I get to the following conclusions:
1. Because I am the Bishop's Secret Agent, I assume "B" stand for Bishop
2. I guess the other 2 that receive letters are the Masons but they do not get it through PM but probably somewhere else where they meet
3. I have a very strong feeling that Kong lied about receiving a letter earlier, so we cannot trust any "Town Confirmed" as per my earlier post.

Interesting...

One sec, I want to scroll back a bit

This dramatic pause is a nice touch.

[Extreme Ways]

Ok so, I think Charle is town.

It lines up with my own role. The info given lines up mostly with my own info.

I dont know if I confirmed earlier but when I said I deflected I wasn't lying. I deflected from myself onto jfm, hoping to get a bullet in there. I figured with all my main character energy I was a prime nightkill target.
I do not have any deflections left, unfortunately. My tracker on Loose was also not fake, though it could have been. And I believe Loose's info that he is presenting too.

It should be said that that is N1 info not D1 info, I was confused and treated it as D1 info and found it worrying. I now also forgot whether Kong's bishop message was D1 info or D2 info.

As for Bishop, my inbox is unfortunately full but I believe I asked whether I could reply to Bishop once and I also believe Sonic said Bishop was just like a mod thing and not a player in the game.

[Votanic]

Ok so, I think Charle is town.

It lines up with my own role. The info given lines up mostly with my own info.

I dont know if I confirmed earlier but when I said I deflected I wasn't lying. I deflected from myself onto jfm, hoping to get a bullet in there. I figured with all my main character energy I was a prime nightkill target.
I do not have any deflections left, unfortunately. My tracker on Loose was also not fake, though it could have been. And I believe Loose's info that he is presenting too.

It should be said that that is N1 info not D1 info, I was confused and treated it as D1 info and found it worrying. I now also forgot whether Kong's bishop message was D1 info or D2 info.

As for Bishop, my inbox is unfortunately full but I believe I asked whether I could reply to Bishop once and I also believe Sonic said Bishop was just like a mod thing and not a player in the game.

So now what?
Either Charle an EW are in elaborate cahoots... or else Kong lied (or was lied to). However it is Kong's very same Day 1 intel that has partly cloaked EW in Towniness...

[Ragian]

The reaction from Rag here is interesting. We seem to have too many investigative roles. Though, who truly knows how Son!c balanced this. Archeologist is an interesting claim. Charle should use it today on a dead player of our choice to see if it dregs up any conformable info but otherwise, I've found his defense wimpy and he probably is a vampire as Loose claims.

That's a lot of things labelled interesting. Is it genuinely interesting or like when food tastes interesting?

[Votanic]

The reaction from Rag here is interesting. We seem to have too many investigative roles. Though, who truly knows how Son!c balanced this. Archeologist is an interesting claim. Charle should use it today on a dead player of our choice to see if it dregs up any conformable info but otherwise, I've found his defense wimpy and he probably is a vampire as Loose claims.

That's a lot of things labelled interesting. Is it genuinely interesting or like when food tastes interesting?

If the idea that Kong's Day 1 intel was a half-truth is actually correct, I have ot say that EW has made a much better show of being Town than strike has...

[strike wolf]

Archeologist is interesting because even if he's Scum faking it, he has to give us some info and deciding how much he can accurately fake and how much he tells the truth could be a tight rope. He almost has to slip in something real that we otherwise wouldn't know to make his claim seem believable.

I find your responses interesting because you've connected yourself with him. Even if unintentionally which it likely is, ai know you are too experienced as scum to defend a cop outed scumbuddy. It doesn't confirm that you aren't, Charle could be the Striga himself and that role could be too important to let die even if you risk outing yourself but it does lend credence to a theory that you and Charle are not actively connected scum.

[Ragian]

Or I could be the other scum faction going for brownie points, believing that Charle is town...

I do think, however, that the connection between Charle and me is a bit of a push. I feel like the questions and scrutiny of the result that I advocate is only logical in this game. We already know that EW can deflect...

[kongming3]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand why the excuse of a potential deflector would save charle here, even ignoring the rest of his defense? A theoretical town deflector could have decided to use it on charle for some reason, but they should have come forward if that was the case. Otherwise, why would a scum deflector use it on an innocent townsfolk instead of just defending themself with it? This isn't charle getting hit with a random deflection off of someone else, this is charle specifically being targeted and Loose either getting a correct result or someone was specifically trying to protect Loose. think Loose just happened to get a hit on a scum with his ability, otherwise I'm not sure how you explain the result.

[kongming3]

I would also very much like to confirm if Dev sucessfully protected someone and used up his vest.

[Charle]

I received the following regarding Fusi's role:

Fusi's full role: Miller, Doc, 3 Shot Vanillaiser who protected himself N1 and Vannilaised Ragian N2.
As doc he could not protect the same person the next night.


FP by Kong

[Charle]

I would also very much like to confirm if Dev sucessfully protected someone and used up his vest.

I would like to hear your explanation around that "letter" you received D1 putting us all on the wrong track. If you are not a Mason (which i don't believe you are), there is no way you could receive any letter or message. "B" clearly stated that only 3 people will receive any messages.

[Charle]

Ragain, did Fusi block your action last night or was he dead before he could do that?

[Votanic]

I received the following regarding Fusi's role:

Fusi's full role: Miller, Doc, 3 Shot Vanillaiser who protected himself N1 and Vannilaised Ragian N2.
As doc he could not protect the same person the next night.

FP by Kong

If true, this is very interesting. well, I guess it's even interesting if false....
fusi's autopsy didn't say he was the miller, ...but rather the brother of the miller, jfm.
Is misassigning miller to another player after death part of being a miller?
btw, it would be good to hear from jfm. He needs to convince us that he's not a vampire. If not, we should probably lynch him!
fusi's autopsy also didn't mention any vanillizing.
@Rags: Are you vanilla? ...or would you even know if you were made vanilla?

I have to say, Charle's archaeologist PR is very detailed and thorough, not only revealing the PRs but also the full usage history of the deceased.
...but considering the way Sonic seem likes to generously dish out PRs it might just be that way...

FPed by Charle

[Ragian]

@Kong, I don't know why you think that anyone thinks that questioning Loose's result exonerates Charle. It doesn't, but obviously we have check a) if there is reason to believe that the results have been tampered with and b) if Loose is trying to get Charle lynched, or even c) that Loose has done everything correct but has gotten a shit result in which case scum will push for a lynch on townie Charle and then blame townie Loose getting a 2 for 1 deal with limited action the two days in question.

@Vot, I have not been informed that I have been vanillaised. I'll check with the mod, though. I'd also like to agree that Charle's information sounds very detailed and, to put it in Strike's terms, interesting

@Charlie, I have not been informed of being blocked. Why do you assume that I have a night action? Are you fishing for something?

[Extreme Ways]

If someone else has been vanillaised, that would make a lot of sense.

I was a deflector, one-shot. I only deflected.
It is entirely possible that there are also scum deflectors or people who switch targets entirely - so A goes to B and B goes to A.

I think it's beneficial if any town-aligned deflections would claim for last night. I already said I redirected any night actions on myself onto jfm. I do not retract this.

Loose investigated Charle, received a anti-town aligned result.
Fusi vanillaised Ragian, Ragian claims not to be vanillaised.

These need 3 deflectors. I can see a scum-aligned deflector. I can see a scum roleblock on fusi.

To me Charle's role makes sense because we all have stupid properties, and not all of it is shown when you die. It was jfm(?) who said each role likely had 3 parts to it, some you may be unaware about. Charle's claim is also not something that makes sense as both mafia and town, the role itself is purely town-aligned.

[Extreme Ways]

Also I choose to read that the conversion means we cannot trust the confirmed towns from d1.

So back to the drawing board with that.

[Ragian]

To specify, I claim to be unaware of any vanillaisation. I have sent the mod a PM.

[*Pixar*]

May be a dumb question but what is "vanillaised"? Converting someone to town?

[Charle]

May be a dumb question but what is "vanillaised"? Converting someone to town?

Not a dumb question, I also had to look it up at MafiaWiki - it is to remove someone's power turning them into Vanilla

[Charle]

I am also not sure it is permanently or just for that night. But Fusi was killed N2, could he then still use his power before he was killed?

[*Pixar*]

May be a dumb question but what is "vanillaised"? Converting someone to town?

Not a dumb question, I also had to look it up at MafiaWiki - it is to remove someone's power turning them into Vanilla

So if Ragian happened to be part of scum, would that remove his powers? Or would the action just not work? Curious to hear Ragians response he gets from the mod. If this is all true of course, from what you claim Charle

FP'ed Charle