Friends & Enemies & Enemies & That Other Guy - Wolves Won

[PepeAtila]

unquit

[SoN!c]

Loose and Max Mason.

SoN!c: was thinking PMC + Max
PEPE: was thinking PMC + Max
PMC: thinks SoN!c + ?
DDS: thinks SoN!c + ?

I find it strange both you and DDS have not a second scum on your mind (even strongly because real town has to search 2).

Ofcourse being scum one does not need to think on who the second scum is. You only need to make sure the other scum, the one you realy think is the other scum, does not get lynched.

Therefore it has to be DDS and PMC. Or Pepe is super elaborate faking insulted.

FP by Pepe

[pmchugh]

Loose and Max Mason.

SoN!c: was thinking PMC + Max
PEPE: was thinking PMC + Max
PMC: thinks SoN!c + ?
DDS: thinks SoN!c + ?

I find it strange both you and DDS have not a second scum on your mind (even strongly because real town has to search 2).

Ofcourse being scum one does not need to think on who the second scum is. You only need to make sure the other scum, the one you realy think is the other scum, does not get lynched.

Therefore it has to be DDS and PMC. Or Pepe is super elaborate faking insulted.

FP by Pepe

I fairly frequently have stated that I think Pepe is the other scum by process of elimination.

[pmchugh]

Also, don't get why you are saying who you think the mason is out loud.

[SoN!c]

Also, don't get why you are saying who you think the mason is out loud.

This so scummy. As like nobody knows what i said. Nobody is that stupid

[SoN!c]

Sipping wine in Crete, relaxing. And PMC is relaxed too. I have to admit that. Too relaxed to be scum in the end. And was Pepe realy so hard insulted by that post of LC or is he faking it?

Close to be unmasked and last attemp to save his hide?

Rereading it it feels fabricated. This is mafia - things like these are said.

And one part of me knows i have to follow the Mason lead.

So vote Pepe.

[Maxleod]

Sipping wine in Crete, relaxing. And PMC is relaxed too. I have to admit that. Too relaxed to be scum in the end. And was Pepe realy so hard insulted by that post of LC or is he faking it?

Close to be unmasked and last attemp to save his hide?

Rereading it it feels fabricated. This is mafia - things like these are said.

And one part of me knows i have to follow the Mason lead.

So vote Pepe.

LOL. Who's trying to save his hide now Sonic?

Also, one day I'm scum the next I'm mason?

[SoN!c]

1. The "i quit" vote made me doubt.
2. I had PMC as suspect when you were scum n°2 in my book.
3. Since Loose played his bad theatre act with you PMC hasnt changed his opinion. So if he thinks me and Pepe are town then he'd changed by now or thinks DDS is the other scum. Because the bad theatre act was bad theatre any way you wanna look at that "spectacle".
4. That is why i asked PMC what he thinks of DDS. Thinking the other (DDS to PMC) is scum makes it hard to defend him as town when unprepared. But PMC sounded town. Hard to fake. So i could be wrong.
5. When in doubt follow the leader.

[PepeAtila]

After Charles clarification that it is bad sport at least for active players to engage with dead players and vice versa to affect the outcome of the game, I think that would clear an obstacle I would have in voting Sonic / opportunity perhaps to persuade others to switch to Pepe.

My preferred choice is still Pepe.

I need to read the last couple of pages again when I get home from work just in case there's anything, and probably give it at least (its my football night Thursdays and I'm going to a wedding Friday and Saturday) another 24 hours in case there's any movements off Sonic towards Pepe.

(Also it would be bad form to perhaps turn up to the wedding in a coffin.)

@Sonic read here and do your job, but realize LC is going for one of us today and another tomorrow ...

unvote vote Max

[SoN!c]

After Charles clarification that it is bad sport at least for active players to engage with dead players and vice versa to affect the outcome of the game, I think that would clear an obstacle I would have in voting Sonic / opportunity perhaps to persuade others to switch to Pepe.

My preferred choice is still Pepe.

I need to read the last couple of pages again when I get home from work just in case there's anything, and probably give it at least (its my football night Thursdays and I'm going to a wedding Friday and Saturday) another 24 hours in case there's any movements off Sonic towards Pepe.

(Also it would be bad form to perhaps turn up to the wedding in a coffin.)

@Sonic read here and do your job, but realize LC is going for one of us today and another tomorrow ...

unvote vote Max

Why would he go for the other one when the first one flips town??

[PepeAtila]

Why would he go for the other one when the first one flips town??

Don't make me say what I think about him ...

Perhaps his lawyer said him for something "Res ipsa loquitor" (latin)

[Loose Canon]

I think Pepe did genuinely think it was impolite of me.

The thing is we are all playing with people who we don't know outside this site and there are genuine differences in views of what goes and what doesn't for each and every player.
If we were all playing face to face we would all still wind each other up, but we'd also all have a sense of what is going too far for one person and what is going too far for another.

I don't think I have ever used the term scum to describe anyone in real life, but on this site it is such a short word, it sort of seems acceptable and its almost like its my favourite word.

Having said that I genuinely read Pepe's posts
First the probabilities putting Max being most probable to be "scum" - I thought and called out WRONG.
Then (after my post) I read the vote/post on PMC - I thought and called out WRONG AGAIN
Then (after that vote) I read the no possibility of Pepe's vote lynching Sonic - which is FACTUALLY WRONG - so I called that out.

Pepe wasn't just (in my opinion) wrong in 3 different places in the game, say beginning, end of day 1, midway day 3, those posts were wrong (in my opinion) one after the other after the other, and I didn't consciously know the next one was going to be wrong until I'd posted about the previous one.

I'm glad Pepe is back in the game , in real life I'd by him a drink or five, talk about football (hey you beat us well in the Euros Pepe) or whatever, make sure we were both a bit drunk , and then change the subject back suddenly and say "but you are a werewolf aren't you?"

In England we used to call it singeing the Spaniards beard, now I guess its setting light to the Werewolves bristles.

[Loose Canon]

After Charles clarification that it is bad sport at least for active players to engage with dead players and vice versa to affect the outcome of the game, I think that would clear an obstacle I would have in voting Sonic / opportunity perhaps to persuade others to switch to Pepe.

My preferred choice is still Pepe.

I need to read the last couple of pages again when I get home from work just in case there's anything, and probably give it at least (its my football night Thursdays and I'm going to a wedding Friday and Saturday) another 24 hours in case there's any movements off Sonic towards Pepe.

(Also it would be bad form to perhaps turn up to the wedding in a coffin.)

@Sonic read here and do your job, but realize LC is going for one of us today and another tomorrow ...

unvote vote Max

[Loose Canon]

After Charles clarification that it is bad sport at least for active players to engage with dead players and vice versa to affect the outcome of the game, I think that would clear an obstacle I would have in voting Sonic / opportunity perhaps to persuade others to switch to Pepe.

My preferred choice is still Pepe.

I need to read the last couple of pages again when I get home from work just in case there's anything, and probably give it at least (its my football night Thursdays and I'm going to a wedding Friday and Saturday) another 24 hours in case there's any movements off Sonic towards Pepe.

(Also it would be bad form to perhaps turn up to the wedding in a coffin.)

@Sonic read here and do your job, but realize LC is going for one of us today and another tomorrow ...

unvote vote Max

Sorry meant to post and say.

Yes as things stand I would go for one of you today and the other tomorrow (if I'm still in the game tomorrow) because I currently think you are both "scum" but I think it is more correct and precise to go for Pepe in this game day.
But as the game changes night kills, reactions etc someone else might emerge as being suspicious to me.
For example I wasn't suspicious of Sonic really until D3, I was a bit at points initially D1, not at all I don't think D2, suddenly something tripped my suspicions on Sonic bigtime D3.
But then that sort of eased without going away re Sonic and I became more suspicious of Pepe again.

[PepeAtila]

I think Pepe did genuinely think it was impolite of me.

The thing is we are all playing with people who we don't know outside this site and there are genuine differences in views of what goes and what doesn't for each and every player.
If we were all playing face to face we would all still wind each other up, but we'd also all have a sense of what is going too far for one person and what is going too far for another.

I don't think I have ever used the term scum to describe anyone in real life, but on this site it is such a short word, it sort of seems acceptable and its almost like its my favourite word.

Having said that I genuinely read Pepe's posts
First the probabilities putting Max being most probable to be "scum" - I thought and called out WRONG.
Then (after my post) I read the vote/post on PMC - I thought and called out WRONG AGAIN
Then (after that vote) I read the no possibility of Pepe's vote lynching Sonic - which is FACTUALLY WRONG - so I called that out.

Pepe wasn't just (in my opinion) wrong in 3 different places in the game, say beginning, end of day 1, midway day 3, those posts were wrong (in my opinion) one after the other after the other, and I didn't consciously know the next one was going to be wrong until I'd posted about the previous one.

I'm glad Pepe is back in the game , in real life I'd by him a drink or five, talk about football (hey you beat us well in the Euros Pepe) or whatever, make sure we were both a bit drunk , and then change the subject back suddenly and say "but you are a werewolf aren't you?"

In England we used to call it singeing the Spaniards beard, now I guess its setting light to the Werewolves bristles.

Dont try to justify ... 'scum' is used by everybody and everybody knows it is just for the game ... 'dumb' and 'fool' are not terms to use in the game or in the real life.... and are insults

Really I think I did wrongly return to the game, but Charle convinced me ... and I don't want to spoil his game .... thats all I want to discuss.

[Loose Canon]

I think Pepe you feel you'd be letting down Charle yes but also your teammate if you quit the game.

[Loose Canon]

And another thing Pepe.

If you were town I can't believe you wouldn't be thinking hey, what if I'm the secret replacement Mason and the other Mason gets killed/(lynched) leaving me with Loose Canon.

From my perspecticve it would be funny, but sadly I don't think there is any possibility of that.

[Loose Canon]

Lets state the facts we can agree on:

6 Players Remaining made up of
1 Werewolf
1 Mafia
2 Town Masons
2 Town Vanilla

2 Masons each have a 50% chance if sticking a pin of voting for scum.
2 Vanilla town each have a 50% chance if sticking a pin of voting scum (masons would declare if in danger of being lynched)
2 Scum each have a 1 in 3 chance if sticking a pin of voting rival scum (masons declare if in danger)


EW + X killed Devante and Traf
Traf + Y killed Strike + EW

IF we keep these facts in mind at all times we may be able to Deduce who X and Y are most likely to be, D3.

Does anyone want to disagree with the above framework?

I have to re read the set up but i don't believe this to be right from Charles sign up page. Not unless he deviated.

I think it might be this
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Friends_and_Enemies

With 11 players, 2 scum with an SK/Werewolf is likely.
Might just be one left.

DDS here seems to not know how the Werewolf faction works. Let's first take this at face value: DDS could not be a Werewolf!

Could he be mafia? Well Traf was mafia and he demonstrated rule understanding and it would be odd if DDS still mistakenly believed it.
Therefore DDS is not likely mafia.

However, we then return to the original question. What if DDS is a wolf and he chose to post this deliberately to make us think he wasn't one?

I lean towards the upsides being too marginal and he is probably just town not paying attention.

YES DDS does have questions to answer on this.

[PepeAtila]

I think Pepe you feel you'd be letting down Charle yes but also your teammate if you quit the game.

Please don't make me write what I think about you ...
If you mean by teammate Sonic, DDS, Max and PMC,... yes also because of them...

[Maxleod]

I think Pepe you feel you'd be letting down Charle yes but also your teammate if you quit the game.

Please don't make me write what I think about you ...
If you mean by teammate Sonic, DDS, Max and PMC,... yes also because of them...

I can't be you're teammate if your scum.

[SoN!c]

Why would he go for the other one when the first one flips town??

Don't make me say what I think about him ...

Perhaps his lawyer said him for something "Res ipsa loquitor" (latin)

In that case he would be a dumb fool that speaks for itself.

[PepeAtila]

( I want to apologize to everyone.
I think we should slow down (at least I should) and realize that this is just a game for fun.
Nobody is going to lose anything,
I don't know why I see people very tense, and maybe I'm the only one who is tense. Anyway "the show must go on" (Queen). )

[DirtyDishSoap]

Lets state the facts we can agree on:

6 Players Remaining made up of
1 Werewolf
1 Mafia
2 Town Masons
2 Town Vanilla

2 Masons each have a 50% chance if sticking a pin of voting for scum.
2 Vanilla town each have a 50% chance if sticking a pin of voting scum (masons would declare if in danger of being lynched)
2 Scum each have a 1 in 3 chance if sticking a pin of voting rival scum (masons declare if in danger)


EW + X killed Devante and Traf
Traf + Y killed Strike + EW

IF we keep these facts in mind at all times we may be able to Deduce who X and Y are most likely to be, D3.

Does anyone want to disagree with the above framework?

I have to re read the set up but i don't believe this to be right from Charles sign up page. Not unless he deviated.

I think it might be this
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Friends_and_Enemies

With 11 players, 2 scum with an SK/Werewolf is likely.
Might just be one left.

DDS here seems to not know how the Werewolf faction works. Let's first take this at face value: DDS could not be a Werewolf!

Could he be mafia? Well Traf was mafia and he demonstrated rule understanding and it would be odd if DDS still mistakenly believed it.
Therefore DDS is not likely mafia.

However, we then return to the original question. What if DDS is a wolf and he chose to post this deliberately to make us think he wasn't one?

I lean towards the upsides being too marginal and he is probably just town not paying attention.

YES DDS does have questions to answer on this.

What in the Kentucky fried f*ck kind of logic is that?
I'm aware there's two different scum factions, that much is obvious from both the last night kills, and the game set up, that i corrected myself. The exact same goofy thing i did in a previous game.

[Loose Canon]

Ok Pepe, glad you've aired your feelings, I will try to find better ways to dig at you in future, but will still dig at you.
Take it as a sign that in digging at you at all, it is game and personal respect.

OK DDS, your response rings consistent.
You like PMC have both seemed to me impervious to any and all scum probing so far.
Doesn't mean either or both of you can't be scum, just that I haven't seen any cracks if you are.

Would be interested to see what happens if PMC wants to try to probe you though.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Nah, I'm reading that as a bullshit scum move to remove me.

Unvote vote pmc

It's the same shit i dealt with with a scum Rag.