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Kingm wrote:Game 23116834
If this is not a clear case of "running out of time to not get a spoil" then nothing is.
To me its 100% clear that this was on purpose, and its not only dirty tactics, but according to the rules of CC14, its breaking the rules.
But I still think we have it, but its not as clear as it was before it, if yellow had ended the turn it would have been GG almost for sure.
I can suggest to they guys inn the game what they should have done instead if they want, and that would have been to just not attack and "take a card", ok I would have had a bit better odds on a pink kill, but still not great odds, but atleast it would not have been cheating.
According to the rules of CC14 "Game abuse like purposely running out of time or throwing a game is prohibited. The first time a clan breaks this rule in CC14 the game must be re-made (unless the other clan wants the game to stand). Each subsequent violation during CC14 will result in a forfeit of the game.", the way I am reading the rules, this means ACES just got handed a freebie, if we win the game then we will let it stand, but if we loose we can get a rematch, have I interpreted the rule right?
Just to end this post I have to say I understand that you guys had to try and cheat the system, a 3.division clan is probably putting up a bit to much of a fight to just play it cleanly.
Kingm wrote:I have to say I understand that you guys had to try and cheat the system
the way I am reading the rules, this means ACES just got handed a freebie, if we win the game then we will let it stand, but if we loose we can get a rematch, have I interpreted the rule right?
GoranZ wrote:Kingm wrote:Game 23116834
If this is not a clear case of "running out of time to not get a spoil" then nothing is.
To me its 100% clear that this was on purpose, and its not only dirty tactics, but according to the rules of CC14, its breaking the rules.
But I still think we have it, but its not as clear as it was before it, if yellow had ended the turn it would have been GG almost for sure.
I can suggest to they guys inn the game what they should have done instead if they want, and that would have been to just not attack and "take a card", ok I would have had a bit better odds on a pink kill, but still not great odds, but atleast it would not have been cheating.
According to the rules of CC14 "Game abuse like purposely running out of time or throwing a game is prohibited. The first time a clan breaks this rule in CC14 the game must be re-made (unless the other clan wants the game to stand). Each subsequent violation during CC14 will result in a forfeit of the game.", the way I am reading the rules, this means ACES just got handed a freebie, if we win the game then we will let it stand, but if we loose we can get a rematch, have I interpreted the rule right?
Just to end this post I have to say I understand that you guys had to try and cheat the system, a 3.division clan is probably putting up a bit to much of a fight to just play it cleanly.
Could you provide info how we benefited?
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Lmao are you serious. yellow having 1 spoil instead of 2 so green could not kill it to cash.
GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Lmao are you serious. yellow having 1 spoil instead of 2 so green could not kill it to cash.
But you didn't, you targeted only pink.
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:Lmao are you serious. yellow having 1 spoil instead of 2 so green could not kill it to cash.
But you didn't, you targeted only pink.
Of course. Cause why would we target yellow with 1 spoil. We would have targeted yellow if he had 2, as he should have after taking a tert.
Donelladan wrote:I was confused at how it would be interesting to take a teammate regions to then run out of time.
To me, in an escalating game, the only good reason to take a teammate region is to take a card. Or maybe to set him up for elimination later by another teammate, or to take a bonus.
With that new auto snap feature we're all able to see the snapshots since it's a sunny game. Pretty nice.
I had a quick look at it, and I cannot see why it would've been interesting for FALL in this situation to have yellow take a single pink. It doesn't help them in any way I can see.
Therefore I think you should consider what t4mcr53s2 said is probably true : he forgot to end assault, and took a region instead of making a fort.
Despite what t4mcr53s2 said being true, one could still argue that logging off without ending turn is intentionally missing a card, which is what t4mcr53s2 did and said he did.
But no need to accuse each other here of cheating here, @ACES, take a minute to consider even if it seems like cheating, some other explanation are plausible and could be true. (note, was accused of cheating before while being totally honest, but when someone is convinced you're cheating it's difficult to let him see it was just random situation that looks like that).
Game abuse like purposely running out of time or throwing a game is prohibited. The first time a clan breaks this rule in CC14 the game must be re-made (unless the other clan wants the game to stand). Each subsequent violation during CC14 will result in a forfeit of the game.
king achilles wrote:This is the Cheating & Abuse forum where one can report a game if they see something suspicious going on or if they see any forrm of game abuse and they would like to report it.
Any deemed abuse should be brought to the attention of the Cup Organisers immediately.
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Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players.
This is not a common occurrence and we do not expect to see it happen at all but a rule should be in place to prevent abuse.
If a team breaks this rule the game must be re-made. (unless the wronged clan want the game to stand)
If a clan repeatedly breaks the rule then an escalating scale of punishment will apply.
Any abuse should be brought to the attention of the TO immediately.
Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players.
This is not a common occurrence and we do not expect to see it happen at all but a rule should be in place to prevent abuse.
The first time a clan breaks this rule in the Cup the game must be re-made. [Unless other clan wants game to stand]
Each subsequent violation during the Cup will result in a forfeit of the game.
...I do not believe any website rule or abuse has been committed...
The format and the rules are subject to change if deemed appropriate by the CD Team.
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:You do realize the game was not remade only because of the wording, not because it was ok, otherwise there wouldn't be a rewording. Ur team took advantage of running out of time so u didnt get an spoil.
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
rockfist wrote:Not being able to “prove” something was done intentionally is not the same as an “innocent” verdict. Not even close. Intentional or unintentional, you should be issuing an apology for the game having the appearance of not being fair.
GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
And certainly don't make threats... its is not up to you, and will never be up to you.
GoranZ wrote:rockfist wrote:Not being able to “prove” something was done intentionally is not the same as an “innocent” verdict. Not even close. Intentional or unintentional, you should be issuing an apology for the game having the appearance of not being fair.
How many times should we ask for you to stay away from FALL threads?
You are not welcomed!
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
And certainly don't make threats... its is not up to you, and will never be up to you.
Not a threat at all. I am just stating facts: running out of time won't give u games in the future. Good luck on the next edition
GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
And certainly don't make threats... its is not up to you, and will never be up to you.
Not a threat at all. I am just stating facts: running out of time won't give u games in the future. Good luck on the next edition
You don't have a capacity to state any facts... It was seen twice in this thread, and both times you were wrong.
But you can freely continue to live in your world of made up fabrications and lies. Good luck for you, luckily for us we don't have to
GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
And certainly don't make threats... its is not up to you, and will never be up to you.
Not a threat at all. I am just stating facts: running out of time won't give u games in the future. Good luck on the next edition
You don't have a capacity to state any facts... It was seen twice in this thread, and both times you were wrong.
But you can freely continue to live in your world of made up fabrications and lies. Good luck for you, luckily for us we don't have to
TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:GoranZ wrote:TrafalgarLaw01 wrote:U won't get away with that one again.
And certainly don't make threats... its is not up to you, and will never be up to you.
Not a threat at all. I am just stating facts: running out of time won't give u games in the future. Good luck on the next edition
You don't have a capacity to state any facts... It was seen twice in this thread, and both times you were wrong.
But you can freely continue to live in your world of made up fabrications and lies. Good luck for you, luckily for us we don't have to
How am I wrong if a rewritting of the rules was made? If CAT's had said "we don't see anything bad here, play on" then you would have been right. But do you realize that the new ruling won't let anyone use cheap tactics or "mistakes" like running out of time to not get a card to avoid losing a game due to a mistake. You better start playing the game as its supposed to and not using loopholes. cause even when you took a game that way it was not enough to beat us.
ACES wrote:...I do not believe any website rule or abuse has been committed...
Caymanmew wrote:If they themselves don't believe any game abuse has been committed, and C&A agrees, than there were no grounds for the report in the first place and certainly no need for the game to be remade.
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