The Werewolves of Miller's Hollow Wolves win

[Votanic]

When I reveal as town am I still handing sheriff off to Son!c? Yes it seems like a fake claim but just revealing what I was given is all. Seems to me Thor should have been mod killed already but oh well, only reason I don't see a mod kill is because of possibly being wolf. That's my thoughts and I guess I'll vote for the first time in the game I think? lol

Vote Thor

I don't think Thor is a good target because we will probably lose him anyway if he doesn't show up.
I think I would prefer Swang a little bit over you, but I'll think about it more tomorrow.

Pixar and swang do seem like the two most doubtful Townies, but for a moment let us entertain the possibility that either ewebasher alone, or ewebasher and Thor are wolves. It is an interesting dynamic.
If Thor was confirmed as Wolf, it would also confirm ewebasher as Wolf.
However, if Thor was confirmed as town, it would not confirm ewebasher as Town.
Conversely,
If ewebasher was confirmed as Town, it would also confirm Thor as Town.
However, if ewebasher was confirmed as Wolf, it would not confirm Thor as Wolf.

[Devante]

A lot of back and forths here, still think we need to slow down to this lynch. A few more inputs would be nice but alas the players talking now might be all we get. I'm personally still on the fence of which way to go or to who the noose should go to.

Vot, your last post is confusing. Not sure how you got to it and why one way signals wolf the other not, can you explain to this simpleton

[Votanic]

A lot of back and forths here, still think we need to slow down to this lynch. A few more inputs would be nice but alas the players talking now might be all we get. I'm personally still on the fence of which way to go or to who the noose should go to.

Vot, your last post is confusing. Not sure how you got to it and why one way signals wolf the other not, can you explain to this simpleton

It all stems from ewebasher's claim of being the Town Bear Tamer.
If ewebasher's claim is found to be true (via seering or lynching), then what he said about Thor is also true.
However, if Ewebasher's lied (because he's a wolf), it doesn't necessarily follow that Thor is also a Wolf.

Likewise, if we you checked out Thor (or we lynched him) his turning Wolf would be proof that Ewebasher lied because he is also a Wolf...
But if Thor turned out to be Town, it doesn't actually prove that Ewebasher isn't lying about being a wolf.

[Thor60]

If you lynch me I shall rip your throat out and banish you to HELL

[Votanic]

If you lynch me I shall rip your throat out and banish you to HELL

Uh, so that means... that you are claiming Wolf?

[Devante]

So no posts the whole time and then that…really that….ffs my anxiety is through the roof with this game, this is too much

But let me take a breath here and propose something, is it possible Thor has a 3rd party role that would want chaos? Only thing that makes sense if he’s not just fuckin around

[SoN!c]

UNVOTE

I already said i was struggling on Pixar. 50/50 shot he is wolf or town. But if Pixar flips town it's Ewebasher & Thor..100%

And yes Swang is right, lying in a claim is bad but the point was he should not have exposed the wolf radio and stayed... tuned in..

I also already said all three lines sound like Ewebasher to me.

Sorry Ewe but "I reckon" is one of your favorite things to say Now i looked all odd words up and LC uses "i reckon" too according to forum search. Anyways its rarely used by Americans but Scots say it all the time.

Vote Thor

[Devante]

UNVOTE

I already said i was struggling on Pixar. 50/50 shot he is wolf or town. But if Pixar flips town it's Ewebasher & Thor..100%

And yes Swang is right, lying in a claim is bad but the point was he should not have exposed the wolf radio and stayed... tuned in..

I also already said all three lines sound like Ewebasher to me.

Sorry Ewe but "I reckon" is one of your favorite things to say Now i looked all odd words up and LC uses "i reckon" too according to forum search. Anyways its rarely used by Americans but Scots say it all the time.

Vote Thor

If that’s the case why vote Thor and not ewe?

[SoN!c]

If that’s the case why vote Thor and not ewe?

Supporting Pix He already has a vote on Thor. And perhaps more votes will trigger Thor to say more..

[Ewebasher]

Sorry Ewe but "I reckon" is one of your favorite things to say Now i looked all odd words up and LC uses "i reckon" too according to forum search. Anyways its rarely used by Americans but Scots say it all the time.

I reckon, oops... , sorry I think your logic is a bit flawed cupid... the rest of that quote went on to say "as chances are my game is up tomorrow". The only person who was seriously under suspicion at that time was Loose (as Pixar points out in his claim post on Page 32 if anyone wants a refresh). I certainly don't remember feeling too 'under the spotlight' after Day 2...

Unless you think it was a really clever bluff and I messaged that in the hope that someone was later going to quote it...

[Ragian]

I'm two-three pages behind, but I would just like to state that I don't think voting Pixar is beneficial to us right now. I'll be caught up this afternoon.

Also, I cleared up some wording with Traf, but alas to no avail.

[Votanic]

I'm two-three pages behind, but I would just like to state that I don't think voting Pixar is beneficial to us right now. I'll be caught up this afternoon.

Also, I cleared up some wording with Traf, but alas to no avail.

Avail or not, give us the details.

[SoN!c]

Sorry Ewe but "I reckon" is one of your favorite things to say Now i looked all odd words up and LC uses "i reckon" too according to forum search. Anyways its rarely used by Americans but Scots say it all the time.

I reckon, oops... , sorry I think your logic is a bit flawed cupid... the rest of that quote went on to say "as chances are my game is up tomorrow". The only person who was seriously under suspicion at that time was Loose (as Pixar points out in his claim post on Page 32 if anyone wants a refresh). I certainly don't remember feeling too 'under the spotlight' after Day 2...

Unless you think it was a really clever bluff and I messaged that in the hope that someone was later going to quote it...

Sure Ewe but the fact remains: Pixar is a 50/50 shot.. Do you believe his strange claim yes or no? If yes then wolf radio does sound like its LC with one guy doing the "dirty" all the time...makes me think its LC and 2 new players. It can't be Deve (Seer) and it can't be Deg, Ragian, EW or Vot..either.

So only you, Thor and Swang (who shredded Pixars claim) left..

Turning the heat on Thor seems the best way forward - because if you are wolf you'll keep coasting along and you won't even fling even if you go L-1.

[Ewebasher]

Given day is drawing to a close I reckon the weakest claims of those I'm still unsure of (ignoring Thor's non-existent claim as he passed the 'sniff' test) are Swang and Pixar (with a hint of doubt until the DNA test comes back on Votanic and by extension EW)

As you say SoN there is no guarantee that Pixar didn't just post lines from chat he was involved in but either way I don't reckon the quote you've used to throw suspicion my way could really be something I would have said had I been in that position at that time.

And I still think Vot and by extension EW as he was 'cleared' by Vot are still open to challenge

Vote Swang

[Votanic]

Sonic, good effort here, I just did the same Forum Search and the only two posters in the entire Forum to say 'I reckon' in 2024 are LooseCanon and EweBasher, once each. (Of course, I'm not counting Pixar's wolf quotes., or any re-quoting of same... or Sonic using the phrase in the discussion of his theory)
Of course, all the wolf quotes could still come from LooseCanon (or even someone else), but still this is an interesting bit of analysis...

I'm not going to change my vote yet, but I might...

[SoN!c]

Given day is drawing to a close I reckon the weakest claims of those I'm still unsure of (ignoring Thor's non-existent claim as he passed the 'sniff' test) are Swang and Pixar (with a hint of doubt until the DNA test comes back on Votanic and by extension EW)

As you say SoN there is no guarantee that Pixar didn't just post lines from chat he was involved in but either way I don't reckon the quote you've used to throw suspicion my way could really be something I would have said had I been in that position at that time.

And I still think Vot and by extension EW as he was 'cleared' by Vot are still open to challenge

Vote Swang

You are right Ewe, one of those lines was made by LC for sure (or made to look like LC).. Not you. But when i saw 'i reckon' it made me think of you.. It was just a small joke your way,. And Pixars claim is either true or not.

Your also right on the fact that day is drawing to a close.. so we won't get much more out of Thor probably..

Anyways, Swang, Pixar & Thor are the most promising leads right now.

[SoN!c]

Sonic, good effort here, I just did the same Forum Search and the only two posters in the entire Forum to say 'I reckon' in 2024 are LooseCanon and EweBasher, once each. (Of course, I'm not counting Pixar's wolf quotes., or any re-quoting of same... or Sonic using the phrase in the discussion of his theory)
Of course, all the wolf quotes could still come from LooseCanon (or even someone else), but still this is an interesting bit of analysis...

I'm not going to change my vote yet, but I might...

So what are the chances American Pixar made up these wolf radio lines and inserts "i reckon"?? in there?

[Ewebasher]

I believe those are true wolf quotes - why would they be made up?

Either Pixar is a wolf and therefore can just pick and chose lines from chat he's involved in or he's the Little Girl and got provided those lines by Traf (again from the real wolf chat)

[Votanic]

You are right Ewe, one of those lines was made by LC for sure (or made to look like LC).. Not you. But when i saw 'i reckon' it made me think of you.. It was just a small joke your way,. And Pixars claim is either true or not.

Your also right on the fact that day is drawing to a close.. so we won't get much more out of Thor probably..

Anyways, Swang, Pixar & Thor are the most promising leads right now.

If Thor is a 'promising lead' then so is Ewebasher.
Remember Thor is only a Wolf if Ewebasher is a Wolf, though Ewebasher could be a wolf without Thor.

As for the 'I reckon' business... yes, this does build a better case that Pixar's quotes are genuine.
Ewebasher brings up an interesting (but unlikely) possibility that a Wolf Pixar would use genuine Wolf quotes as part of a fake Little Girl claim.

Now I want to talk about Thor's recent post.
That is super-bad-Townie play, if he is Town... but it isn't particularly good Scumplay either.
Sonic you said he was a Reverend. I presume that would that be for the Church of Satan?

I wouldn't be so quick to do this if Thor was playing decently, but since he really isn't...
Unvote
Vote Thor

[SoN!c]

You are right Ewe, one of those lines was made by LC for sure (or made to look like LC).. Not you. But when i saw 'i reckon' it made me think of you.. It was just a small joke your way,. And Pixars claim is either true or not.

Your also right on the fact that day is drawing to a close.. so we won't get much more out of Thor probably..

Anyways, Swang, Pixar & Thor are the most promising leads right now.

If Thor is a 'promising lead' then so is Ewebasher.
Remember Thor is only a Wolf if Ewebasher is a Wolf, though Ewebasher could be a wolf without Thor.

As for the 'I reckon' business... yes, this does build a better case that Pixar's quotes are genuine.
Ewebasher brings up an interesting (but unlikely) possibility that a Wolf Pixar would use genuine Wolf quotes as part of a fake Little Girl claim.

Now I want to talk about Thor's recent post.
That is super-bad-Townie play, if he is Town... but it isn't particularly good Scumplay either.
Sonic you said he was a Reverend. I presume that would that be for the Church of Satan?

I wouldn't be so quick to do this if Thor was playing decently, but since he really isn't...
Unvote
Vote Thor

True but that are the last 3 scenario's im playing with. Ewe-Thor being a wolf pair being the 3rd scenario (If Thor flips wolf then so is Ewe.. ). And i don't see Wolf Pixar posting genuine Wolf quotes..but the 'i reckon" makes me believe he didn't faked them either. . So again im struggling on Pixar but my gut feeling says he is town. My play was voting Pixar to see if he would flip town. The reason behind that is if Pix would flip town it clears everybody in here except Swang and the Ewe-Thor wolf pair.. And if he didn't flip town, well then we catched a wolf so win-win either way..

Also Strike was very fast to admit the confession so the "inexperienced" label would not fit with Pixar but it sure would fit if the remaining wolfpack was LC-Ewe-Thor.

The only big problem left to tackle is still the double N2 wolf attack but im guessing Traf modified LC's white wolf role so that he can choose a wolf OR a townie every other night.?

Lastly the Bear Tamer role is so well presented that im struggling on Ewe as much as on Pix. Im doubting to see this as a false claim provided by Traf so it's either true or Ewe made this up in his first game? Wauw

[swang918]

Since the wagon started forming on pix I think his posts are reading townish. Thor’s last post is of course pretty scummy.

Unvote Pixar

Ill hold off on voting Thor until Devante catches up. I dont want him being uncomfortable w a lynch and burning a pardon

[swang918]

UNVOTE

I already said i was struggling on Pixar. 50/50 shot he is wolf or town. But if Pixar flips town it's Ewebasher & Thor..100%

And yes Swang is right, lying in a claim is bad but the point was he should not have exposed the wolf radio and stayed... tuned in..

I also already said all three lines sound like Ewebasher to me.

Sorry Ewe but "I reckon" is one of your favorite things to say Now i looked all odd words up and LC uses "i reckon" too according to forum search. Anyways its rarely used by Americans but Scots say it all the time.

Vote Thor

If that’s the case why vote Thor and not ewe?

The tradeoffs are:
If ewe and thor are both town, lynching ewe is better bc we can clear thor once ewe flips.

If ewe and thor are both wolf, lynching thor is better bc we would then confirm ewe as wolf. If we lynch ewe in this scenario we still wouldnt necessarily know thors status- a wolf ewe can still be truthful about saying thor is town.

If ewe is wolf and thor is town, lynching ewe is better bc we get the wolf. Lynching thor here also wouldnt tell us about ewes status.

There is of course no scenario where ewe is town and thor is wolf.

So, once i write all that out, im thinking maybe ewe is a better lynch than thor?

[Ewebasher]

Yeah, Thor is not really helping my case here...

I can understand people's doubts about Thor and therefore by extension me based on my claim...

Just goes to show you can chose your friends but you can't chose your neighbours (well unless you move house but I don't think Traf would have shuffled the player list just because I didn't want to be 'sitting' next to Thor...)

No other defence other than I don't believe I've exhibited any scummy attributes. A bit quiet for a couple of days and having the misfortune to say 'I reckon' but otherwise...

[SoN!c]

Yeah, Thor is not really helping my case here...

I can understand people's doubts about Thor and therefore by extension me based on my claim...

Just goes to show you can chose your friends but you can't chose your neighbours (well unless you move house but I don't think Traf would have shuffled the player list just because I didn't want to be 'sitting' next to Thor...)

No other defence other than I don't believe I've exhibited any scummy attributes. A bit quiet for a couple of days and having the misfortune to say 'I reckon' but otherwise...

Hell of a game Stu, hell of a game

[Ewebasher]

Hell of a game Stu, hell of a game

Uh oh, using my real name... I must be in trouble...