Democrats continue the Crises over Illegal Immigration

[2dimes]

Also… to be fair… Nixon did some good things as President. Just saying.

Getting Forrest a room at a nicer hotel?

[jimboston]

bullshit the dems have left the border in a total mess this is all on the looney left,as all they want are illegal votes and nothing more

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.

Though neither party is the “cause”.
The cause is bigger and probably way too complicated for your small brain to process.

[jimboston]

Also… to be fair… Nixon did some good things as President. Just saying.

Getting Forrest a room at a nicer hotel?

… but seriously… if you’re interested… Though I don’t want to be a ‘copy and paste’ kind of poster here…

Opening dialogue with China is the biggest/first thing that comes to mind, but there are others…

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2 ... s-disgrace

https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/o ... 559612002/

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ri ... gn-affairs

[karel]

bullshit the dems have left the border in a total mess this is all on the looney left,as all they want are illegal votes and nothing more

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.

Though neither party is the “cause”.
The cause is bigger and probably way too complicated for your small brain to process.

your a idiot

[jimboston]

bullshit the dems have left the border in a total mess this is all on the looney left,as all they want are illegal votes and nothing more

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.

Though neither party is the “cause”.
The cause is bigger and probably way too complicated for your small brain to process.

your a idiot

Thank you. This coming from you proves the opposite.

[jusplay4fun]

This seems to me a reasonable start to fix this BIG Problem, that many ignore and many others try to exploit.

Biden went to Arizona and skipped visiting the border. But in DC, a bipartisan immigration bill is brewing

WASHINGTON –President Joe Biden Tuesday visited Arizona for the first time during his presidency Tuesday — but it wasn’t to visit the U.S.-Mexico border.

Biden said Tuesday “there are more important things going on,” referring his visit to the state focused on semiconductor manufacturing, a key part of his economic agenda.

But back in Washington D.C., one of Arizona’s U.S. senators is helping strike a deal on immigration reform.

Sens. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Thom Tillis, R-N.C., have reportedly drafted a framework that would create a pathway to citizenship for roughly 2 million undocumented immigrants and increase funding for border security.

If the drafted framework is made official, it would be the first piece of significant legislation put forth by members of both parties since the 2013 "Gang of Eight" that was a bipartisan Senate bill that would have created a pathway to citizenship for some undocumented immigrants.

(...)
What does the Sinema-Tillis immigration bill look like?

The two lawmakers’ draft framework includes creating a pathway to citizenship for roughly 2 million “Dreamers,” or young, undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children by their parents, in exchanged for roughly $25 billion for border security, according to NBC News and the Washington Post.

The legislation would also extend Title 42 until regional processing centers could be built; the Post reported. The processing centers would provide more resources and personnel to help process asylum claims, according to NBC News.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 844204002/

A Senate breakthrough on immigration might still be a long shot
A bipartisan proposal for immigration reform might not be the solution Democrats were looking for.

The Senate is reportedly weighing a new bipartisan immigration reform framework that involves concessions from both Democrats and Republicans, but also has a number of provisions that could ultimately doom it. The deal trades increased border security for relief for immigrants who are already in the US, but lawmakers are running out of time to pass it before the end of the year.

The framework for a potential bill is the product of negotiations between Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-AZ.) and Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC). According to a summary in the Washington Post, it would give Democrats a long-sought path to citizenship for more than 2 million “Dreamers” who immigrated to the US as children without authorization. That would add $1.2 trillion to GDP over a decade and $235 billion in net fiscal contributions, as estimated by the Niskanen Center, a libertarian think tank.

Republicans would get additional border security resources and at least a one-year extension of the Title 42 policy, which has allowed the US to use pandemic-era health rules to quickly expel nearly 2.5 million migrants who have arrived on the southern border since 2020. The Government Accountability Office would have the authority to end the policy, ostensibly after the government can establish new migrant processing centers on the border.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... ill-border

[GaryDenton]

And they can't.

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.

[jusplay4fun]

And they can't.

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.

Who is "they" and what can't they do?

[KoolBak]

It's just so anticlimactic to see someone misspell a diss.

I mean, there are FOUR problems with "your a idiot". It actually hurts my brain.

Anyway....I walked thru the border crossing twice back in August - my very first time in Mexico. It was very intimidating on the return trip.....easy, yet scary. Literally can't imagine what it's like for those poor bastards sneaking across to try for a better life. It's a shame...

[GaryDenton]

Wow.

by jusplay4fun on Yesterday, 7:47 pm

GaryDenton wrote:
And they can't.

Please provide any evidence that “illegals” are voting.

You can’t.

The “border mess” has been ongoing for decades.
It is the responsibility of BOTH parties to address it.


Who is "they" and what can't they do?
JP4Fun

Primarily provide any evidence that "illegals" are voting and secondarily for BOTH parties to address the problem.

I can see why the STUPID party is now attacking books and libraries. They want to get everyone's reading comprehension down to their level.

Sigh...

Merry Christmas! Avoid the people dragging you down.

I do have Texas state Republicans dragging me down to their level, both in the number of arguments I engage in, and in that I now support corporate punishment in village stocks and heavy whips for shameful elected officials.
I also find I wish they were dead as they wish everyone associated with abortions are dead and, in new articles, that anyone who attends a drag show is dead.

https://www.chron.com/news/local/articl ... 658519.php

Texas GOP lawmaker hires Christian nationalist who called for drag show attendees to be executed

[Dukasaur]

It's just so anticlimactic to see someone misspell a diss.

I mean, there are FOUR problems with "your a idiot". It actually hurts my brain.

Anyway....I walked thru the border crossing twice back in August - my very first time in Mexico. It was very intimidating on the return trip.....easy, yet scary. Literally can't imagine what it's like for those poor bastards sneaking across to try for a better life. It's a shame...

+1

[D3A7H]

@JP4fun... in my experience most employer of illegal immigrants can't/won't pay them in cash. Modern accounting practices make it extremely difficult to do so. Employers for the most part want/need a social security number from a prospective employee. there is currently NO mandatory verification system for employers to confirm the employee matches the name of the SS number provided on their application. This is how 95% of illegal workers are employed in the USA, many pay the income tax and don't file taxes (no rebates/tax credits)

All the more reason for people to come here legally.
I wanted to hire some one from Argentina to a leadership position who had been referred by a placement agency last year. The company i was working for was a government contractor. This individual was very capable and probably over qualified for the position, but was unable present documentation when the 90 day contract with that agency was up.
The current situation leaves illegals vulnerable to exploitation from everyone from criminal gangs to unscrupulous employers to all levels of government.

[mookiemcgee]

How to defeat a $46 million per mile border wall in 3 min

https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinter ... rder_wall/

[jimboston]

1) I don’t believe that fence (it’s not a wall it’s a fence)… I don’t believe that fence costs $46million/mile.
That’s gotta be some left-wing bullshit.

2) No fence/wall alone can keep determined people from crossing anything.
(I’m not advocating this… but if the Right really consider this an “invasion” then you need a wall with armed guards authorized to shoot onsite anyone attempting to cross said wall. This is NOT gonna happen. Ignoring this and pretending a barrier alone will work is stoopid!)

There are some simple facts…

1) We need immigrants to work in this country. We also need to reduce subsidies to people living “on the dole” so they will work as well.

2) As long as there is gargantuan wealth disparities between US/Central America we will have people looking to immigrate.

3) People have been immigrating since before we were even human. NOTHING can be done to stop immigration in the long term.

Pre 1960-1970 immigration was a two-way movement…men came here to work for the season, saved money, and then would travel home in the off-season. We need to look at the policies (plural) that changed this dynamic. These policies include making two-way immigration more difficult, and providing more free stuff to low-income non-working people…. I’m sure there are more.

We complain that we rely too much on Chinese manufacturing. We need to work with our neighbors to the south to increase “Near-Shoring” in manufacturing in key industries. This would reduce our reliance on China and offer alternative economic opportunities to potential immigrants.

The rhetoric on this issue is stoopid and unproductive.

[mookiemcgee]

1) I don’t believe that fence (it’s not a wall it’s a fence)… I don’t believe that fence costs $46million/mile.
That’s gotta be some left-wing bullshit.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing ... er%20mile.

"Wall Construction Cost American Taxpayers Up To $46 Million per Mile"

Yes, it's a cherry picked number for the most expensive bit of the build... but it's accurate. It's certainly more accurate than claiming 'Mexico paid for it' or 'it won't cost taxpayers anything' two claims made by the administration that pushed building new wall/fencing.

[jimboston]

1) I don’t believe that fence (it’s not a wall it’s a fence)… I don’t believe that fence costs $46million/mile.
That’s gotta be some left-wing bullshit.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing ... er%20mile.

"Wall Construction Cost American Taxpayers Up To $46 Million per Mile"

Yes, it's a cherry picked number for the most expensive bit of the build... but it's accurate. It's certainly more accurate than claiming 'Mexico paid for it' or 'it won't cost taxpayers anything' two claims made by the administration that pushed building new wall/fencing.

I still don’t believe the number. The number is presented by the Biden Administration to slam the Trump Administration.

Either way, it’s moot… even if it only cost $1/mile it’s not worth it.

Unless you are going to look at the policies driving immigration it’s nothing more than a speed bump.

Unless you’re prepared to actually shoot people… people won’t coming.
(… and I’m not saying that’s what we should do… I’m just saying half-measures are useless without policy change.)

[mookiemcgee]

1) I don’t believe that fence (it’s not a wall it’s a fence)… I don’t believe that fence costs $46million/mile.
That’s gotta be some left-wing bullshit.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/briefing ... er%20mile.

"Wall Construction Cost American Taxpayers Up To $46 Million per Mile"

Yes, it's a cherry picked number for the most expensive bit of the build... but it's accurate. It's certainly more accurate than claiming 'Mexico paid for it' or 'it won't cost taxpayers anything' two claims made by the administration that pushed building new wall/fencing.

I still don’t believe the number. The number is presented by the Biden Administration to slam the Trump Administration.

Either way, it’s moot… even if it only cost $1/mile it’s not worth it.

Unless you are going to look at the policies driving immigration it’s nothing more than a speed bump.

Unless you’re prepared to actually shoot people… people won’t coming.
(… and I’m not saying that’s what we should do… I’m just saying half-measures are useless without policy change.)

I mean... sounds like you don't really care what the numbers are, but there is some pretty decent cost analysis in this article. It's a complicated slog though, lots of different contracts awarded for different types of wall/fencing at all sort of different prices. Even the 'Trump plan' numbers though they weren't fully excecuted because he was one term was averaging around $25m/mile

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/10/27 ... ing-trump/

[jimboston]

I still don;t buy the numbers because the source is biased against Trump.

I’m sure it was over-priced… but at the end of the day…

1) No matter what the cost, without the change of policies it was a waste.

2) It is already spent… yeah go look to see if laws were broken and we can hold people accountable for waste or fraud…. it really it’s done. So let;s actually solve the problem.

… but yeah the video is funny/ironic.

[mookiemcgee]

I still don;t buy the numbers because the source is biased against Trump.

I’m sure it was over-priced… but at the end of the day…

1) No matter what the cost, without the change of policies it was a waste.

2) It is already spent… yeah go look to see if laws were broken and we can hold people accountable for waste or fraud…. it really it’s done. So let;s actually solve the problem.

… but yeah the video is funny/ironic.

Are there any non-national media outlets you believe aren't so 'biased against trump' they can publish real data individual contracts the gov't awards to private contractors to build walls along the border that you would consider believing them, or does the simple fact that it's published local news make it so biased against Trump it can't be trusted?

[jimboston]

I still don;t buy the numbers because the source is biased against Trump.

I’m sure it was over-priced… but at the end of the day…

1) No matter what the cost, without the change of policies it was a waste.

2) It is already spent… yeah go look to see if laws were broken and we can hold people accountable for waste or fraud…. it really it’s done. So let;s actually solve the problem.

… but yeah the video is funny/ironic.

Are there any non-national media outlets you believe aren't so 'biased against trump' they can publish real data individual contracts the gov't awards to private contractors to build walls along the border that you would consider believing them, or does the simple fact that it's published local news make it so biased against Trump it can't be trusted?

Have you ever read any of my posts?

I hate Trump and think he’s a disgusting human being and a criminal.

I’m very much inclined to believe most anything anyone reports negative about him.

The ONE SOURCE that I doubt is the Biden White House.

[mookiemcgee]

And the Texas Tribune is official white house source? Do you even read what i post before you respond? The article I posted that 'can't be believe' was published while Trump was president.

[jonesthecurl]

Did the report that was expected 'next year' ever appear?

[jusplay4fun]

Did Mexico pay for the Wall?

Mexico agrees to provide $1.5 billion to help U.S. manage migrants on southern border
The agreement was discussed Tuesday when Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador met with President Joe Biden at the White House.

The Mexican government has agreed to provide roughly $1.5 billion toward a host of new construction projects along the U.S.-Mexico border to strengthen the U.S.’s ability to screen and process migrants, a White House official said Tuesday.

The agreement was discussed Tuesday when Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador met with President Joe Biden at the White House.

Former President Donald Trump campaigned on the promise of building a new border wall that he would get Mexico to pay for. While the Trump administration did build hundreds of miles of new and renovated border wall, the Mexican government did not pay for it.

Now, Mexico has agreed to pay for a number of projects through a joint multiyear effort along the countries’ borders, including “modernizing” ports of entry and enhancing screening processes of immigrants trying to cross from Mexico to the U.S. The exact details of the new projects are still being worked out, but, the official said, the new agreement will not result in the building of any kind of wall or border barrier.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mexico ... -rcna37889

[jimboston]

And the Texas Tribune is official white house source? Do you even read what i post before you respond? The article I posted that 'can't be believe' was published while Trump was president.

i only clicked on the lick you gave from Whitehouse.gov

The first link

I could be like Saxi and say “you only get one shot”.

I don’t have an opinion on the Texas Tribune.

[jusplay4fun]

What will happen NOW?

What is Title 42, why is it ending and what’s happening now at the border?
Catherine E. Shoichet
By Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN
Updated 10:32 AM EDT, Tue May 9, 2023

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics ... index.html