Ukraine unbroken two years into Putin's War

[saxitoxin]

For once I agree with Jim - the Democratic Party is in bed with China. Good call, Jim.

------[size=150]RIGHT....Literally ...Democrat Congressman Swalwell and Hunter Biden in bed with Chinese Spies...Plus Hunter in bed with Chinese Hooker

Bingo! It's not even a figure of speech, Swalwell was rawdogging an undercover agent of the People's Security and Anti-Reconnaissance Bureau and Hunter was doing the same with hookers who were probably controlled by the PRC. Diane Feinstein was advised by an undercover Chinese intelligence officer for 20 years; while we don't have any evidence she was sleeping with him, who knows? Jim called this one. Good job Jim!

Don't get me wrong -- my heart is 100% with Ukraine -- but I know my heart will again be broken.

Duk is right - his heart will be broken. Even U.S. officers are now publicly admitting that if Ukraine doesn't somehow win in the next 180 days there will be no more weapons left to send them. Meanwhile, the vast armaments factories deep in the Urals are relentlessly churning out the steel that will defeat the enemy like it defeated the Hitlerite evil 80 years ago.

The secretary was asked to respond to comments made at the conference by Adm. Daryl Caudle, commander of U.S. Fleet Forces Command. Caudle, the reporter said, worried that “the Navy might get to the point where it has to make the decision whether it needs to arm itself or arm Ukraine, and has the Navy gotten to that point yet?”

Del Toro replied, “With regards to deliveries of weapons systems for the fight in Ukraine…Yeah, that's always a concern for us. And we monitor that very, very closely. I wouldn't say we're quite there yet, but if the conflict does go on for another six months, for another year, it certainly continues to stress the supply chain in ways that are challenging.”

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2023 ... ng/381722/

[ConfederateSS]

-----------Wait it gets better....Karine Jean-Pierre...and the Democratic White House....She has not taken Questions,the past 4 months from Today News Africa reporter Simon Ateba...One of Africa's top reporters....She will not meet with him... Because he wants to ask her/The Biden Administration about... Chinese influence in Africa, you know, actual children, working slaves in mines... Mining minerals for all the new Technology, Wind Mills ,Solar Panels, Electric cars...That Biden has just signed a deal With China on.... In that 7,000 page bill, voted on,after just given to The Democratic Run Congress/Senate a day before, just before the year ended...Don't offend China.... Russia/Soviet Union, America's biggest threat is the Democratic Party battle cry.... ... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)... ....More money,more money for Ukraine, the U.S. military complex.... .....

--------Saxi....You forgot Hunter's aid/e ,she was a top Chinese Party oppertive...Not just Swalwell...

[HitRed]

Too many various weapon systems for Ukraine. M113, Bradley’s, Leopards, Abrams to join potluck of Soviet era Ukrainian armored units. War is systems and logistics. Complexity is a hindrance to war.

[karel]

we should not be giving them any weapons ,europe should be not the usa,let them fight it out among themselves,russia going to win anyways so who cares,this war is nothing but a rich mans war,to bad black water and many others dont give 2 shits who dies as long as they are making money off this war if you call it one

[saxitoxin]

12 Ukrainian senior officials, including the deputy defense minister, were forced to resign yesterday for massive corruption that included the siphoning of hundreds of millions of dollars of aid into their personal bank accounts.

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... zelenskyy/

Old Joe has spent $80 billion to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Dukasaur]

Too many various weapon systems for Ukraine. M113, Bradley’s, Leopards, Abrams to join potluck of Soviet era Ukrainian armored units. War is systems and logistics. Complexity is a hindrance to war.

It is a hindrance, but a smorgasbord is better than nothing. When you're trying to survive against a numerically superior opponent, you use whatever you can get.

we should not be giving them any weapons ,europe should be not the usa,let them fight it out among themselves,russia going to win anyways so who cares,this war is nothing but a rich mans war,to bad black water and many others dont give 2 shits who dies as long as they are making money off this war if you call it one

That's what many Americans were saying about Britain in 1940, facing down Hitler and his string of spectacular victories. And yet, Britain did not fall, and with a bit of American help eventually came roaring back to chase Moustache Man out of Europe.

12 Ukrainian senior officials, including the deputy defense minister, were forced to resign yesterday for massive corruption that included the siphoning of hundreds of millions of dollars of aid into their personal bank accounts.

Old Joe has spent $80 billion to enrich Ukrainian oligarchs.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

On the contrary, I'd say it's clear evidence that the Ukrainian government is serious about rooting out corruption. This is what has been missing in previous packages of American aid to various governments. South Korea, South Vietnam, Kuwait, etc., were given help with no expectation of cleaning up their own rooms. In the age of instant news, though, expectations are higher, and it's obvious that Ukraine is cleaning house to try meeting elevated expectations.

[saxitoxin]

That's what many Americans were saying about Britain in 1940, facing down Hitler and his string of spectacular victories. And yet, Britain did not fall, and with a bit of American help eventually came roaring back to chase Moustache Man out of Europe.

If the U.S. hadn't got involved in WW1 there would never have been a Hitler. France and Britain - deprived of the men and material needed to deliver a humiliating KO punch - would eventually have won but with modest German surrender terms; no reparations, no loss of territory, no military sanctions. There would have been no revolution in Germany and the House of Hohenzollern would have remained on the throne. When the depression hit, Germany would not have experienced the hyperinflation that gave rise to the Nazi Party. World War II would never have happened.

Almost no American intervention in history has turned out well. The only ones that have - example, World War II - have merely been to clean up a mess created by the last ham-fisted intervention concocted by bed-ridden geriatrics like Woodrow Wilson.

[saxitoxin]

A couple years ago the Czech Republic unveiled a new statute to Woodrow Wilson outside the Prague railway station. For some reason I got sent a press release by the U.S. PR agency they'd hired to promote the statue unveiling to the media of their masters, the USA; a crafty, calculated effort to show to Americans how enthusiastic they were so that they would not be forgot when they needed someone to beat up a bully for them. It noted that the statue was to replace one erected after WW1 that had been destroyed by the "German occupation forces."

The reality is that never happened. The original Wilson statue was torn down by Czechs themselves. German troops provided a security cordon for the demolition, but it was a throng of Czech-speaking Bohemians that destroyed it. I didn't read a single article that mentioned that untidy fact.

Now the Ukes are taking a page from the Czech playbook to recast themselves into blonde virgins desperately attempting to keep their legs shut, instead of the nastiest, most disease-infested hookers on Earth.

World War II left every country in Europe, even the most militantly collaborationist like the Czechs, tripping over themselves to be reimagined as victims. There are a few decent articles about the Czech collaborationists.

Is this some sick, pathetic ass kissing? Of course, but it did not fall from the sky.

Czechs have long history of grotesque collaboration. They are also known for outbursts of “delayed wrath” towards those whom they fatefully and excessively served in the past.

In modern history, the Czechs were the trusted and determined allies of Nazi Germany. Soldiers of the “3rd Reich” were enthusiastically welcomed by the Czech masses, waving Swastikas, in Prague and elsewhere. Czech workers, some of the most skilled in Europe, began producing weapons for German army right from the first days of the occupation. The Germans, in turn, left the Czech population alone, and even forced local banks to write off their housing loans.

There was virtually no resistance against Nazis during the WWII, and the assassination of Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich, by Czech paratroopers in 1942 had to be planned and organized from London.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/27 ... aboration/

[Dukasaur]

The reality is that never happened. The original Wilson statue was torn down by Czechs themselves. German troops provided a security cordon for the demolition, but it was a throng of Czech-speaking Bohemians that destroyed it. I didn't read a single article that mentioned that untidy fact.

If you didn't read a single article mentioning the fact, how do you know it?

There was virtually no resistance against Nazis during the WWII, and the assassination of Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich, by Czech paratroopers in 1942 had to be planned and organized from London.

My grandfather, who spent six months in Sachsenhausen for participating in protests against the Nazis, would beg to differ. So would his brother, who spent almost 3 years in Terezin for his role in aiding the resistance, and weighed less than 45 kilos by the end of the war.

[HitRed]

First, Duk thank you for your family’s risk to life and limb against evil.

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Abrams training

https://newseverything.in/how-long-woul ... ic%20level.

[saxitoxin]

The reality is that never happened. The original Wilson statue was torn down by Czechs themselves. German troops provided a security cordon for the demolition, but it was a throng of Czech-speaking Bohemians that destroyed it. I didn't read a single article that mentioned that untidy fact.

If you didn't read a single article mentioning the fact, how do you know it?

There was virtually no resistance against Nazis during the WWII, and the assassination of Reichsprotektor Reinhard Heydrich, by Czech paratroopers in 1942 had to be planned and organized from London.

My grandfather, who spent six months in Sachsenhausen for participating in protests against the Nazis, would beg to differ. So would his brother, who spent almost 3 years in Terezin for his role in aiding the resistance, and weighed less than 45 kilos by the end of the war.

I automatically assume anything claimed by a NATO state, or its slavish media, is a lie. This lie has been published ad naseum since the statue was restored, e.g. Postcards from Absurdistan Prague at the End of History from nothing less than Princeton University Press.



Operating from the starting point that Czechia is a NATO state and, therefore, a slavish liar to the cause of American big business, I assumed this was all a - also - a lie.

Within about ten minutes of research on newspapers.com, I discovered multiple news reports from separate news agencies that confirmed, in 1946, the Czechs executed a Czech citizen for masterminding the statue's destruction. None of this is mentioned in the Czechian reimagining of history in which the good little Czechs were all loyal American subjects-in-waiting and the evil Germans torn down their precious statue on their own.

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The one knawing problem is that Rudel is a German name. I was able to connect with someone, via a WWII research group, who was in the Czech Republic and could reach Czech and looked into Rudel's genealogy. Rudel was 1/4 German, and adopted a grandparent's surname after the German invasion. IOW, he was not some Sudetan but was born and raised Czech. And Czech news summaries from 1946 confirmed he acted as head of a collaborationist militia. Again, all of this is eviscerated from history so that the Czechs can present themselves as long-time loyalists to the American dream.

[Dukasaur]

Okay, so you have identified one Czech who collaborated with the Nazis and either wholly or partially destroyed the statue, for which he was later hanged.

Quite a far cry from "a throng of Czech-speaking Bohemians"

[saxitoxin]

My grandfather, who spent six months in Sachsenhausen for participating in protests against the Nazis, would beg to differ. So would his brother, who spent almost 3 years in Terezin for his role in aiding the resistance, and weighed less than 45 kilos by the end of the war.

I'm sure most Czechs didn't collaborate. And I'm sure a small number resisted. But, by and far, the Czechs sat on their fat asses waiting for rescue.

Also, remember that:

(a) Czechoslovakia mobilized 48 divisions on the eve of the German invasion; their supposed inability to resist was only due to the forgotten fact that Poland was simultaneously threatening to invade and capture Carpathia. Czechoslovakia felt it couldn't fight a two-front war. The Poles, in other words, are also not a group of molested virgins, but active participants in the fate that befell them. Yet they spin a fascinating tall tale in which they were mildly minding their own business when - out of nowhere! - they were attacked.
(b) The USSR flew a bomber wing to Czechoslovakia on the eve of the German invasion and committed full air support in the event of a German attack. The Czechoslovaks declined it.

[saxitoxin]

Okay, so you have identified one Czech who collaborated with the Nazis and either wholly or partially destroyed the statue, for which he was later hanged.

Quite a far cry from "a throng of Czech-speaking Bohemians"

The point is the Czechs engaged in outright and (easily) disprovable lies about the history of the statue's destruction and the media lapped it up. They actively sought to cover-up the involvement of their own citizens for no clear reason other than to support the cause of NATO, which is the cause of big business and war.

I don't have the time, resources, or language skills to fact-check every single other outlandish claim of heroic resistance the Czechs spin. However, if the very first one I try to confirm is proved as absolute bunk, why would I give the benefit of the doubt that all the rest of their stories of heroism are based in fact versus fantasy?

The Czechoslovakians lost 0.5% of their population during WWII while mostly sitting around, waiting for rescue. The Russians lost 15% of their population and were the singular reason Germany was defeated. Russia has earned the right to act as Europe's guardian.

[jimboston]

That's what many Americans were saying about Britain in 1940, facing down Hitler and his string of spectacular victories. And yet, Britain did not fall, and with a bit of American help eventually came roaring back to chase Moustache Man out of Europe.

If the U.S. hadn't got involved in WW1 there would never have been a Hitler. France and Britain - deprived of the men and material needed to deliver a humiliating KO punch - would eventually have won but with modest German surrender terms; no reparations, no loss of territory, no military sanctions. There would have been no revolution in Germany and the House of Hohenzollern would have remained on the throne. When the depression hit, Germany would not have experienced the hyperinflation that gave rise to the Nazi Party. World War II would never have happened.

Almost no American intervention in history has turned out well. The only ones that have - example, World War II - have merely been to clean up a mess created by the last ham-fisted intervention concocted by bed-ridden geriatrics like Woodrow Wilson.

He’s not 100% wrong.

He has some valid points.

[bigtoughralf]

The UK survived WW2 because Hitler invaded Russia and got bogged down fighting 100 million Soviet slaves in 6 feet of snow. By the time the US turned up Germany had basically ground itself into dust already.

To use the UK as an analogy for Ukraine resisting Russia in 2023 you'd have to first have Putin spontaneously invade China.

[jimboston]

The UK survived WW2 because Hitler invaded Russia and got bogged down fighting 100 million Soviet slaves in 6 feet of snow. By the time the US turned up Germany had basically ground itself into dust already.

To use the UK as an analogy for Ukraine resisting Russia in 2023 you'd have to first have Putin spontaneously invade China.

Oh right… USA played NO ROLE in defeating Germany.

Now we all know better.

Thanks Ralph!

[bigtoughralf]

You're welcome, jim!

[HitRed]

80% of the German losses were on the Eastern Front.

The rest of would be the Western Front and/or Mediterranean.

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There is an important point here. The cost of Russia in WW2 was immense 25 million. Dropping German Panzers into Ukraine TODAY might resonate with EVERY Russian family.

[jimboston]

You're welcome, jim!

I’m sure Russia would’ve defeated Germany (and Japan on a second front) all by themselves after Germany had knocked the UK out.

I’m sure the guns, ammo, food, etc. we supplied them wasn’t necessary at all…

Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union to help it defeat the Nazi invasion. Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945 in support of what Stalin described to Roosevelt as the “enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy — bloodthirsty Hitlerism.”

400,000 jeeps & trucks
14,000 airplanes
8,000 tractors
13,000 tanks
1.5 million blankets
15 million pairs of army boots
107,000 tons of cotton
2.7 million tons of petrol products
4.5 million tons of food

https://ru.usembassy.gov/world-war-ii-a ... 1941-1945/

I’m sure they would’ve also been able to hold off a Japan unencumbered by a war with the US…
likely a Japan that had no supply issues because they also had plenty of supplies without US
sanctions and without fighting Australia (since the UK would’ve already surrendered).

Yeah… the USA played no part. It’s obvious now that you point it out.

[HitRed]

Russia's foreign minister has confirmed that a BRICS currency system will be on the agenda at the 2023 BRICS Summit, set to take place in South Africa this August.

[karel]

just face the fact the only record being set here is number of dead Ukraine, does not matter how many weapons we send they not going to win and thx to us now our stockpile is down and will be years before we can refill it back up, this is not usa problem but a europe problem let them figure it out......once again not our problem

[Dukasaur]