Ukraine unbroken two years into Putin's War

[saxitoxin]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL --- for all we hear about the mighty Uke military, all they have to defend Kiev are police standing in the streets using carbines to wildly fire at incoming supersonic drones SLAMMING into electrical plants, bridges, government buildings, and armories. The only thing those bullets are hitting are other Ukes when they eventually fall out of the sky. Zelenskyy made the mistake of his life when his terrorists hit the Crimea bridge. This is the war's D-Day; the beginning of the end for the Nazis.



RUSSIA WILL WIN!
RUSSIA WILL WIN!
RUSSIA WILL WIN!

[HitRed]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

[bigtoughralf]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Same as America's nukes then. Turns out massacring civilians is as ineffective as it is sinful.

[Dukasaur]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Yes. Putin's tantrum is very reminiscent of Hitler's tantrum in the latter days of his war.

[saxitoxin]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Yes. Putin's tantrum is very reminiscent of Hitler's tantrum in the latter days of his war.

[jimboston]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Same as America's nukes then. Turns out massacring civilians is as ineffective as it is sinful.

To suggest the nukes dropping on Japan had NO impact or influence in ending the war earlier is a misreading of history, idiotic, and a failure to use common sense.

[saxitoxin]

Just a reminder of how the war started.

On February 15, the Ukrainian Army began shelling the Russian-speaking and de facto independent Donbas. On that day, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe recorded 41 violations of the 2014 ceasefire agreement by Ukraine.

On February 16, the OSCE recorded 76 violations of the 2014 ceasefire agreement by Ukraine.

On February 16, 316.

On February 18, 654.

On February 19, 1413.

On February 20, 1006.

On February 21, 1200. That afternoon Russia declared it recognized the independence of the Donbas. Following this recognition, Luhansk and Donetsk formally requested self-defense assistance from the Russian Federation. Russia advised Ukraine that it was prepared to defend Luhansk and Donetsk if Ukraine didn't immediately stop shelling them.

On February 22, there were 1484 ceasefire violations by Ukraine.

On February 23, no violations were recorded as the OSCE monitoring mission evacuated their positions and fled west following a safety advisory sent to them by the Russian Army that armed self-defense action was imminent. Russian forces say they independently observerd continued shelling of civilians in the Donbas by Ukrainian forces on this date.

On February 24, the Russian Army began self-defense operations to protect the embattled Russian-speaking enclaves of Donetsk and Luhansk from ethnic cleansing.

From February 25-October 14, Ukrainian civilians enjoyed almost uninterrupted access to normal utilities such as electricity and water at a level 90% of the pre-war level, something almost unheard of in a major war. According to Moscow, this was intentional as it was trying to mitigate civilian impacts. The west claimed it was because the Russians were incompetent.

From October 15-October 18, Russia's 8th Guards Army - in one fell swoop - destroyed 30% of Ukraine's domestic electrical infrastructure as a lawful punitive action for the Ukrainian terrorist attack on the civilian Crimea bridge. By the end of this week it's expected 50% of Ukraine will have been blown back into the 19th century. In addition, the contingent reserve of 200,000 fresh troops are preparing to cross the frontier.

[Dukasaur]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Same as America's nukes then. Turns out massacring civilians is as ineffective as it is sinful.

To suggest the nukes dropping on Japan had NO impact or influence in ending the war earlier is a misreading of history, idiotic, and a failure to use common sense.

It's debatable, but it's certainly not idiotic.

Numerous Japanese cities had already been reduced to rubble by conventional bombing before the nuclear strikes. They had failed to significantly weaken Japanese resolve.

The Japanese surrender came after Russia abrogated its peace agreement with Japan and joined the war. At all times during the war, the bulk of the Japanese army was in China. The battles with the U.S. in the Pacific, while they may be thrilling history to us, were mainly considered a sideshow by the Japanese high command. It was the prospect of being trapped between China and Russia and to die far from home that really tipped their hand.

[bigtoughralf]

Duk gets it. The whole 'America won the war' thing is CIA propaganda that never really took hold outside of the US until Hollywood started making good WW2 movies.

[saxitoxin]

The Guardian is reporting that the BBC has prepared a trove of secret scripts that will be read on-air to reassure the public and attempt to control civil unrest in the event of cascading power failures across Britain that bring down mobile networks and cause long-term blackouts this winter. And the UK is in good condition. Continental Europe is 10X worse off.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/ ... -blackouts

Russia just needs to keep Ukraine pinned down until early January and then support for NATO belligerence will evaporate in Europe as governments attempt to cling to power in the face of popular uprisings. Imagine January 6 happening five days a week for five weeks straight.

[jimboston]

History

The V-1s and V-2s did a lot of damage (and got a lot of news coverage) but didn't change the course of WW2.

Same as America's nukes then. Turns out massacring civilians is as ineffective as it is sinful.

To suggest the nukes dropping on Japan had NO impact or influence in ending the war earlier is a misreading of history, idiotic, and a failure to use common sense.

It's debatable, but it's certainly not idiotic.

Numerous Japanese cities had already been reduced to rubble by conventional bombing before the nuclear strikes. They had failed to significantly weaken Japanese resolve.

The Japanese surrender came after Russia abrogated its peace agreement with Japan and joined the war. At all times during the war, the bulk of the Japanese army was in China. The battles with the U.S. in the Pacific, while they may be thrilling history to us, were mainly considered a sideshow by the Japanese high command. It was the prospect of being trapped between China and Russia and to die far from home that really tipped their hand.

To say it wasn’t ‘decisive’ or to say it wasn’t ’the sole reason’ is a debatable point.

To suggest it had NO impact or influence is idiotic.

[saxitoxin]

Rolling Stone covers the story of a journalist who questioned the official U.S. narrative of the American proxy war in Ukraine. Within minutes of posting a Tweet critical of U.S. foreign policy, armored cars filled with troops from Biden's FBI-Secret Police arrived at his home, came crashing through the door, black bagged him, and then sped away. He hasn't been heard from since. Now other journalists are fearful for what they can - and can't - publish about the Biden Regime.

Emmy-winning producer James Gordon Meek had his home raided by the FBI. His colleagues say they haven’t seen him since.




AT A MINUTE before 5 a.m. on April 27, ABC News’ James Gordon Meek fired off a tweet with a single word: “FACTS.”

The network’s national-security investigative producer was responding to former CIA agent Marc Polymeropoulos’ take that the Ukrainian military — with assistance from the U.S. — was thriving against Russian forces.

...

But his track record of exclusives was undeniable, breaking the news of foiled terrorist plots in New York City and the Army’s coverup of the fratricidal death of Pfc. Dave Sharrett II in Iraq, a bombshell that earned Meek a face-to-face meeting with President Obama. With nine years at ABC under his belt, a buzzy Hulu documentary poised for Emmy attention, and an upcoming book on the military’s chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, the 52-year-old bear of a man seemed to be at the height of his powers and the pinnacle of his profession.

...

The first thing Meek’s neighbor John Antonelli noticed that morning was the black utility vehicle with blacked out windows blocking traffic in both directions on Columbia Pike. It was just before dawn on that brisk April day, and self-described police-vehicle historian Antonelli was about to grab a coffee at a Starbucks before embarking on his daily three-mile walk. He inched closer to get a better vantage, when he saw an olive-green Lenco BearCat G2, an armored tactical vehicle often employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, among other law-enforcement agencies. A few Arlington County cruisers surrounded the jaw-dropping scene, but all of the other vehicles were unmarked, including the BearCat. Antonelli counted at least 10 heavily armed personnel in the group. None bore anything identifying which agency was conducting the raid. After just 10 minutes, the operation inside the Siena Park apartment complex — a six-story, upscale building for D.C. professionals, with rents fetching about $2,000 to $3,000 a month — was over.

“They didn’t stick around. They took off pretty quickly and headed west on Columbia Pike towards Fairfax County,” Antonelli recalls.

...

Meek has been charged with no crime. None of his Siena Park neighbors with whom Rolling Stone spoke have seen him since, with his apartment appearing to be vacant. Siena Park management declined to confirm that their longtime tenant was gone, citing “privacy policies.” Similarly, several ABC News colleagues — who are accustomed to unraveling mysteries and cracking investigative stories — tell Rolling Stone that they have no idea what happened to Meek.

“He fell off the face of the Earth,” says one. “And people asked, but no one knew the answer.”

...

Both the Obama and Trump administrations were criticized for targeting journalists and their sources. Obama’s Justice Department brought charges under the Espionage Act against a record number of people, from top generals like David Petraeus and James Cartwright to document leakers like Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden.

...

“I just want to know what happened,” says another person who worked on 3212 Un-Redacted. “[Meek’s situation] is making me nervous. I’m just gonna deadbolt my door.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234613619/

[mookiemcgee]

Crazy!

[jusplay4fun]

Kiev is getting pummeled by kamikaze drones! Check out this bad boy coming in to take-out an electrical plant! The gloves are off!

The gloves were NEVER ON the Russian hands. They are repeating their attempts to terrorize civilians that they did in the Caucus by indiscriminate killing of civilians and by bombing homes and important NON-military infrastructure.

[Dukasaur]

Same old Russian game plan.

Remember the Katyn Forest!

[jusplay4fun]

Same old Russian game plan.

Remember the Katyn Forest!

Of course. Both the Germans and the Soviets bear responsibility for massive abuse of many humans; this one seems the FAULT of the Soviets and Russians:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

The Russians are a brutal military.

[jusplay4fun]

Doomed to failure: Russia failed to heed lessons from history before invading Ukraine
Opinion by James Rosen

No one knows when it will happen, but the history of great powers’ military occupations suggests that Russian troops will eventually leave Ukraine in defeat. There are different scenarios of what will happen on the road to defeat, from Putin dying or being overthrown to him declaring a false victory and withdrawing to still more months of bombing and killing.

Following his nation’s monumental sacrifices, there is no chance that Zelenskyy will accept a negotiated peace that leaves the Kremlin in control of the territories it has seized. Putin’s veiled threat of using tactical nuclear weapons is the empty bluff of a poker player holding a weak hand.

The Kremlin’s final failure is in the cards for one simple but powerful reason: Russia’s will to conquer is weaker than Ukraine’s will to save its homeland.

James Rosen is a former Pentagon reporter for McClatchy who earlier covered the collapse of the Soviet Union as a Moscow correspondent. He received awards from the National Press Club, Military Reporters and Editors and the Society of Professional Journalists, which last year named him top opinion columnist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/doomed-to-failure-russia-failed-to-heed-lessons-from-history-before-invading-ukraine/ar-AA13h8qC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f0be75c4ca374db4a25bc4193fcc4672

[Doc_Brown]

This is a really interesting video on the long-term demographic impact of the war in Ukraine:


Even before the war, Ukraine and Russia have both seen a steady population decline over the last 30 years, with Ukraine losing 20% of their population over that time. Since the war began, Ukraine has lost another 20% of their population, mostly in the form of refugees fleeing the country. Even assuming the best case for Ukraine: they push Russia back out of their territory and retake Crimea in the process, It's tough to see a great future for a country that loses half its population over the course of 30 years, that has a very low birth rate, and that has recently lost a large portion of their young men in a conflict.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of young men are being lost in Russia, either through death in the conflict or to those fleeing the country to avoid conscription. Russia's population decline has not been as dramatic as Ukraine's, and they aren't losing people via refugee status or other emigration pressures. However, the number of young Russian men (ages 16-30) was already significantly lower than surrounding age brackets due to ripple affects from the world wars (see below). The best case for Russia is for the war to end soon and they retain control of the 4 Ukrainian provinces, which adds a few million additional people to the Russian population. But, critically, that group is unlikely to add a significant population of young men, and the dramatic loss of this demographic to Russia as a whole is going to introduce another set of ripples that will echo for the next few generations. It's going to result in a significant long-term hit to the Russian population size, and with the loss of young men capable of fighting in the military and the overall loss in respect for the capability of the Russian military, it's likely only a matter of time before other Russian provinces composed of ethnic minorities (such as Chechnya) decide to demand independence.

It will be very interesting to see what both Russia and Ukraine look like in 20 years regardless of the outcome of the current war.

Click image to enlarge.

[HitRed]

Female surplus is interesting. Likely from Russia fighting Finland, Poland, Germany, The Russian Revolution, The Great Terror, WW1, etc. It did move toward balance though. I think male births are 2% more than female per thousand if I remember correctly. That might be shown from 1985 forward.

[jimboston]

Rolling Stone covers the story of a journalist who questioned the official U.S. narrative of the American proxy war in Ukraine. Within minutes of posting a Tweet critical of U.S. foreign policy, armored cars filled with troops from Biden's FBI-Secret Police arrived at his home, came crashing through the door, black bagged him, and then sped away. He hasn't been heard from since. Now other journalists are fearful for what they can - and can't - publish about the Biden Regime.

Emmy-winning producer James Gordon Meek had his home raided by the FBI. His colleagues say they haven’t seen him since.




AT A MINUTE before 5 a.m. on April 27, ABC News’ James Gordon Meek fired off a tweet with a single word: “FACTS.”

The network’s national-security investigative producer was responding to former CIA agent Marc Polymeropoulos’ take that the Ukrainian military — with assistance from the U.S. — was thriving against Russian forces.

...

But his track record of exclusives was undeniable, breaking the news of foiled terrorist plots in New York City and the Army’s coverup of the fratricidal death of Pfc. Dave Sharrett II in Iraq, a bombshell that earned Meek a face-to-face meeting with President Obama. With nine years at ABC under his belt, a buzzy Hulu documentary poised for Emmy attention, and an upcoming book on the military’s chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan, the 52-year-old bear of a man seemed to be at the height of his powers and the pinnacle of his profession.

...

The first thing Meek’s neighbor John Antonelli noticed that morning was the black utility vehicle with blacked out windows blocking traffic in both directions on Columbia Pike. It was just before dawn on that brisk April day, and self-described police-vehicle historian Antonelli was about to grab a coffee at a Starbucks before embarking on his daily three-mile walk. He inched closer to get a better vantage, when he saw an olive-green Lenco BearCat G2, an armored tactical vehicle often employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, among other law-enforcement agencies. A few Arlington County cruisers surrounded the jaw-dropping scene, but all of the other vehicles were unmarked, including the BearCat. Antonelli counted at least 10 heavily armed personnel in the group. None bore anything identifying which agency was conducting the raid. After just 10 minutes, the operation inside the Siena Park apartment complex — a six-story, upscale building for D.C. professionals, with rents fetching about $2,000 to $3,000 a month — was over.

“They didn’t stick around. They took off pretty quickly and headed west on Columbia Pike towards Fairfax County,” Antonelli recalls.

...

Meek has been charged with no crime. None of his Siena Park neighbors with whom Rolling Stone spoke have seen him since, with his apartment appearing to be vacant. Siena Park management declined to confirm that their longtime tenant was gone, citing “privacy policies.” Similarly, several ABC News colleagues — who are accustomed to unraveling mysteries and cracking investigative stories — tell Rolling Stone that they have no idea what happened to Meek.

“He fell off the face of the Earth,” says one. “And people asked, but no one knew the answer.”

...

Both the Obama and Trump administrations were criticized for targeting journalists and their sources. Obama’s Justice Department brought charges under the Espionage Act against a record number of people, from top generals like David Petraeus and James Cartwright to document leakers like Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden.

...

“I just want to know what happened,” says another person who worked on 3212 Un-Redacted. “[Meek’s situation] is making me nervous. I’m just gonna deadbolt my door.”


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234613619/

And while the Rolling Stone story—authored by ace investigative scribe Tatiana Siegel—further claimed that Meek has “vanished,” his friends told Confider that he is living with his mother.

Meek and his attorney, Eugene Gorokhov, did not respond to multiple requests for comment. ABC News declined to answer several questions from Confider, instead saying via a statement: “He resigned very abruptly for personal reasons and hasn’t worked for us for months, and we don’t comment or report on speculation.” A rep for Rolling Stone did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed

Maybe before you claim this as fact and this shit as crazy… we wait a week and see what actually comes up.

Of course, if it’s found out that he was doing something illegal Saxi will just claim it’s a setup job.

[jusplay4fun]

updates for today, Nov. 19, 2022:

Let's summarize.
(1) Russian withdrew from Kherson, the largest city in Eastern Ukraine, that they captured;
(2) The so called start of WW3 will not happen because the missile in Poland was an attempt by Ukraine to knock out a Russian incoming missile;
(3) the new UK PM visits Ukraine.
(4) Putin has not mentioned ANY bad news to the Russian people.
(5) see the btw, at the bottom of this post.

‘We survived’: Kherson comes alive after Russian withdrawal
KHERSON, Ukraine (AP) — A week since the southern Ukrainian city of Kherson was liberated, residents can’t escape reminders of the terrifying eight months they spent under Russian occupation.

(...)

“Even breathing became easier. Everything is different now,” said Olena Smoliana, a pharmacist whose eyes shone with happiness as she recalled the day Ukrainian soldiers entered the city.

Kherson’s population has dwindled to around 80,000 from its prewar level near 300,000, but the city is slowly coming alive. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy triumphantly walked the streets on Monday, hailing Russia’s withdrawal — a humiliating defeat for Russian President Vladimir Putin — as the “beginning of the end of the war.”

UK PM Sunak makes surprise trip to Kyiv, boosts defense aid

Funeral held for first of 2 Poles killed in missile blast
WARSAW, Poland (AP) — A funeral was held Saturday for one of two Polish men who died in a missile explosion near the border with Ukraine, deaths that Western officials said appeared to have been caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile that went astray.

https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine

And:

Where's Putin? Leader leaves bad news on Ukraine to others
President Vladimir Putin wasn’t present when his top military officials announced on television that Russia was withdrawing from the city of Kherson in southern Ukraine

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/vladimir-putin-ap-kherson-russia-ukraine-b2227804.html

That is the most important news about the Russian "special military action" in Ukraine as the Russians get their A$$ or BUTTS kicked in and OUT of Ukraine.

btw: NO updates from jimb, from Oct 31.

https://http://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed

… we wait a week and see what actually comes up.

[bigtoughralf]

Ukraine kills group of POWs in latest war crimes:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63676446

[saxitoxin]

I don't feel sorry for them. They could read saxi on CC to realize that America always wins.

Once again, they chose the Transatlantic fantasy instead.

Top European officials are furious with Joe Biden’s administration and now accuse the Americans of making a fortune from the war, while EU countries suffer.

“The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons,” one senior official told POLITICO.

The explosive comments — backed in public and private by officials, diplomats and ministers elsewhere — follow mounting anger in Europe over American subsidies that threaten to wreck European industry.

https://www.politico.eu/article/vladimi ... -from-war/

[GaryDenton]

Interesting nonsense from Saxi, unlike normal.

"The rise in gas prices in Europe is caused by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and Putin's energy war against Europe, period," a spokesperson for Biden's National Security Council said. Exports of liquefied natural gas from the U.S. to Europe "increased dramatically and enabled Europe to diversify away from Russia," the NSC spokesperson said.

The biggest point of tension in recent weeks has been Biden’s green subsidies and taxes that Brussels says unfairly tilt trade away from the EU and threaten to destroy European industries. Despite formal objections from Europe, Washington has so far shown no sign of backing down. "

I, of course, support moving to green energy and industries and rebuilding American manufacturing. Because it doesn't help Fascist Putin, Saxi doesn't.

[saxitoxin]

Interesting nonsense from Saxi, unlike normal.

"The rise in gas prices in Europe is caused by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine and Putin's energy war against Europe, period," a spokesperson for Biden's National Security Council said. Exports of liquefied natural gas from the U.S. to Europe "increased dramatically and enabled Europe to diversify away from Russia," the NSC spokesperson said.

The biggest point of tension in recent weeks has been Biden’s green subsidies and taxes that Brussels says unfairly tilt trade away from the EU and threaten to destroy European industries. Despite formal objections from Europe, Washington has so far shown no sign of backing down. "

I, of course, support moving to green energy and industries and rebuilding American manufacturing. Because it doesn't help Fascist Putin, Saxi doesn't.

Great. In 2065 when you're done with that then you can celebrate about how you really showed Putin.