triples

[Thaisleeze]

Quite simply, this format is driving potential new (PAYING) members away in droves. Many high ranking current players only ever play this format, in co-ordinated teams, sucking in newbies so to improve their score, to the detriment of the whole club. I can name names; in code; JR, BYR D, S, etc etc, these guys contribute nothing to the club, never play singles (pls see my correspondence with BYR on request). Level the playing field, get rid of triples, and see a lot of senior officers lose their pants. The only beneficiary will be CC, and those members that play in the spirit of the game.

[stringybeany]

I am both new and a paying member and am not included in these alleged droves that are being driven away.

I suggest instead that newbies form their own strong teams before joining these games (as I am in the process of doing right now -- PM me).

Not to worry, I'll take some of these guys points away, because I'm that -- damn -- good!.

[Thaisleeze]

BS...you have to be a multi

[Phobia]

Unfortunately every game has these sort of people, who play more for points than for enjoyment, and I think removing triples will not solve anything, because then they would have to divert to doubles.

Theres no prize for being first, or getting a high win percentage, so leave them be in there disillusioned world of thinking points = more publicity.

I'm not accusing everyone who plays triples, I enjoy playing triples occasionally myself, just those will not join any other game unless it has specific settings and they are with there favourite team mates.

[spurgistan]

Well, he's a paying multi, if he's a multi... anyways, if people want the points they'll figure out a way to get them. Luckily, most non-dugcarr's do it within the rules. You can just claim your moral superiority about being a "pure" singles player (no sarcasm intended) while they get their points through trips.

[oVo]

Driving noobs away in droves??? It's seems that there are plenty of other options beyond teamed games to keep noobs occupied and playing as they figure out exactly how this game works.

So I just don't see anyone hitting the exits for good just because a few high rollers take advantage of some unsuspecting rookies.

[Forefall]

I also believe that the current setup for triples is detrimental to CC. It would be nice, especially for team players, if when you clicked on the "game finder" link (which is very n00b friendly) it listed only singles games and had another link on the top for "show all games".

IMO, this would be much better than requiring new players to play 5 games and then flooding them with the team games that are so common.

And I also completely agree that the triples are so common because high ranked players want to stack their rating by beating on unorganized teams and newbies.

[Thaisleeze]

Derr...can't you see it is the newcomers (ie; prospective new members) that get hit almost every time; hence the disproportionate score for those dicks like BYR that only ever play these games, to the detriment of the club, which by my book should be doing everything to encourage new members

[stringybeany]

I've played bridge on pogo since 1998 where a nearly identical ratings system is in place (I have an account on chessclub.com also...same deal there).

I mention pogo because on there many of the top ranked players are cheats. It's been that way for years since the site got to big for volunteer moderators.

Anyway, I expect no difference here. At the top will be some cheats (only the very cleverest best cheats though...the tight moderation here will catch most of them...thank you mods!)

Also at or near the top will be the best games to play with the strongest players. If you want to improve your game, strive to play here.

Middle ground will contain the competent but error prone crowd.

And at the bottom will be the new and/or incompetent, which games you want to avoid if you ever want to improve your play.

{edited so as not to help idiots do what we don't want them to do}

[stringybeany]

You all should be thankful this place has tight moderation. If you think the multi problem is bad here now, you ain't seen nuthin' like what happens when moderation goes away.

I have.

It sucks big time.

[nyg5680]

i dont hav much 2 say to this topic except its not a good idea

[silvanthalas]

I've moved to playing more triples/doubles, and less singles games.

One problem I still have in playing any team game? I don't like to be the first to join the next team (ie, slot 4 in a triples game), because I won't know who's going to join after me, and while I'm certainly willing to help people learn how to play team games, I often as not get poor team mates. Which means it's less fun for me.

Either way, the risk to lose points against lower ranked opponents is still there, regardless of the type of game you play. And the reward for winning isn't as high as in a singles game, so what's the problem?

What more people need to do is find some good partners that can join games in bunches against the guys that start triples games in bunches.

[nyg5680]

thts why u either make friends 2 do triples and doubles or you dont play them or you join last or second 2 last on a team

[KidTwist]

Quite simply, this format is driving potential new (PAYING) members away in droves. Many high ranking current players only ever play this format, in co-ordinated teams, sucking in newbies so to improve their score, to the detriment of the whole club. I can name names; in code; JR, BYR D, S, etc etc, these guys contribute nothing to the club, never play singles (pls see my correspondence with BYR on request). Level the playing field, get rid of triples, and see a lot of senior officers lose their pants. The only beneficiary will be CC, and those members that play in the spirit of the game.

Wow, what's with the making like Nancy Drew? Get over it, man. And while you're at it, take a big drink of whatever it is you're drinking and get over yourself. Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. ; )

Oh yeah, I play trips.

[Wild_Tiger]

Are you suggesting those players only function good in triples games?
And only play for the points?

I think I have to disagree here...
For myself I do play a lot of triples as well but I do it because I think its fun and play a lot of them because a turn only lasts a minute.
Its a game of pure teamplay and thats what I like !

I am not playing a lot normal games because I have had bad experience against low rankeds i.e. they would miss many turns or team up on you just because of getting more points not because of common sence strategy.

therefore Im probably going to play private games for the standards.

and for doubles, well I just enjoy to teach people the game and again, teamplay.

I think some will share the same thoughts and I hope you think again of accusing these players for being bad for the CC society.

my 2 cents,

-Tiger

[RiskTycoon]

this is just plain silly we need to start an organization called P.O.O.P. People Offended by Offended People! .....lol just play what you like and keep to yourself!

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

as always, my name is draged into a post that is complete loaded with inaccurate information. I played 3,600 games with only half of them being triples. So you were wrong there. I do not set up games with players. I set up games that players join. So you were wrong there. I dont get this wont play/only play low rank thing. One post is about leet players not playing low ranks and the next post is about leet players only playing low rank players. For once, can somebody make up their minds? Which is it ? Do leet players play only low ranks or do they not allow rank players to play? See Saw... back and forth.

I do not know the author of this thread. I did however see the feedback that was left for Big Yuma by the author. It is in reference to this very post. So im assuming the mods will delete it since it is not game related. Now, to make things even more interesting, I see the author is in a current game with me. I guess im going to get the same negative feedback like Big Yuma did and I have 2 low ranked players on my team in that game. So how can you make a post about me with information that is false when your in a game vs me and I have 2 low ranked players on my team ? It just doesnt add up.

[AAFitz]

ive seen a lot of these, but this ones just great

Players are here to play

they play what they want to have fun

there is no moral or reasonable obligation to play games they dont want to

IF you are complaining what others play, you are just jealous. Pure and simple.

I joined and worked my way to the top...while there could play whoever I wanted, now in the middle, It doesnt bother me one bit that the top players dont consider it fun to play and risk losing 60 points to win 10...

If I want to play them, Ill play better, get more points, and play them...if I cant do that, I dont deserve to do that...

Nearly every multi, neg feedback giver, abusive player, and generally bad player is a low ranked player....

Asking those who have played enough games, and are good at it to play those is just ridiculous...

focus on your games...not other peoples...What you are suggestings is essentially communism...I imagine you dont feel the need to go to work, come home, and give your money to your neighbor...well I dont feel the need to work to get points, then open a game that I might get neg feedback for nothing, disrespected, teamed up on, all to lose 60 points with the opportunity to win 10

If your so interested in helping players....open 100 games, and give them all your points, but dont ask someone else to do it....

The people who incessantly complain are the ones that are bad for CC

If players cant have fun because they need to play particular players, thats their problem...ive played 1600 games, played nearly every general there has been since ive been here...I dont play singles against one of them right now....I dont care one bit....why the hell would I...why the hell do you?...you just like complaining....simple as that

[The1exile]

I think everyone is taking it a bit too seriously.

tbh though I've never seen the attraction of triples. Much easier to play doubles. did play a few games aaaaages ago... lost 18 points to blitz IIRC.

But it is interesting that all the people defending it are high ranked players who play trips.

[AAFitz]

I think everyone is taking it a bit too seriously.

not necessarily... just important to stop complaints this silly in their tracks...the people making them only see their side of it, and assume they are correct simply because they think its true...

Not everyone agrees...

[KidTwist]

ive seen a lot of these, but this ones just great

Players are here to play

they play what they want to have fun

there is no moral or reasonable obligation to play games they dont want to

IF you are complaining what others play, you are just jealous. Pure and simple.

I joined and worked my way to the top...while there could play whoever I wanted, now in the middle, It doesnt bother me one bit that the top players dont consider it fun to play and risk losing 60 points to win 10...

If I want to play them, Ill play better, get more points, and play them...if I cant do that, I dont deserve to do that...

Nearly every multi, neg feedback giver, abusive player, and generally bad player is a low ranked player....

Asking those who have played enough games, and are good at it to play those is just ridiculous...

focus on your games...not other peoples...What you are suggestings is essentially communism...I imagine you dont feel the need to go to work, come home, and give your money to your neighbor...well I dont feel the need to work to get points, then open a game that I might get neg feedback for nothing, disrespected, teamed up on, all to lose 60 points with the opportunity to win 10

If your so interested in helping players....open 100 games, and give them all your points, but dont ask someone else to do it....

The people who incessantly complain are the ones that are bad for CC

If players cant have fun because they need to play particular players, thats their problem...ive played 1600 games, played nearly every general there has been since ive been here...I dont play singles against one of them right now....I dont care one bit....why the hell would I...why the hell do you?...you just like complaining....simple as that

AA, if you ever decide to run for public office, you got my vote. Well said.
Now, let's open some trips and see who joins. ; )

[Big Yuma Ripper]

Sleeze dont know what you problem is......... why worry about what other people play? You got nothing else to do? We have played doubles and i think triples together and won! Now you want to complain about others? What is you problem " whinner" lol. You know i have been thinking about this all evening trying to think about how to respond to you ignorance and a couple of others that have responded but some very respected players have pretty much said it all! Thia-Sleeze play what you want, that is what is great about this site, you can pretty much play what you want! I do play mostly triples occasionally some doubles BECAUSE that is what i enjoy. I love to work with other players, get a game plan together and see it work. Usally trip. no card, chained forting, BECAUSE that style is one of the most stratigy types you can play. You have to plan and think, the next step would be Adj. forting. Takes the luck out of the games and puts more team work in. No lucky 3 round sets for the opponent!

Now for one of the reasons i dont like to play standard player games, If me or any other high ranked player started a standard 6 player game, 5 other low ranked players joined.......... who would you hit ? Another noob? NO it would be 5 noobs vs. 1 ranked guy! Think about it is that a fair game, I am not complaining about it, dont blame the noobs, good idea take out the high rank get his points then everybody else fight it out?

Now for you noobs that say all top ranked players play only triples to stack points...... the higest one game points i have gained in the last couple of days was 17, average is around 7. I have lost 61 points in a couple of games in the last day figure that - 121 points........ noob that means i have to win 21 games out of 23 to come out even! I dare any of you that are bitching ( who dont have a clue) to start 23 games and win 21! Now look at the guys or gals that are on top with a low winning percentage....... but are in the top 25 ranked players, they play mostly standard games.. there choice. They win less games but lose less points, that is there way of playing, what they perfer! There choice which gives the same results. Like i said earlier that is the great thing about this site, just about any varation that you might want. I take my hat off for anybody that can get on the first page of the leader board however that they wish to get there!

Also one of you noobs commented that we took advantage of new players........ I almost NEVER or the guys i play with join any games that are already started, we start the games and people join them, freely! I dont think lack has ever forced anybody to join a game. Altough i have joined a few lately it was against people like Blitz, Johnny rocket, KidTwist,AndrewB,Nephilim, David wain, Rooak,Ruben ceaser,Dupa,Black Rose, Jork and so on, just to name a few which in case you are in another world is 12 of the Very Best players on this site in any game format! I am sure i will think of some more good things to add to this later.......

One more thing some one posted above, dont remeber the noobs name that only high ranked players were defending this post...... well only less skilled players that cant do well here are complaing!

I would like to thank all the intellegant players that have defended this post!

And Kidtwist i have to agee with you AAFitz, you need to run for President!
You for sure have the best use for words

[clapper011]

OMG Thaisleeze

ur an idiot...if u don't like tripples then don't ply them...all these people or "higher ranked" players are all fine players.... and its the choice of noobs" to play against them how is it sucking them in when each person has the choice of who and what they want to play?... if they don't want to play singles games thats purely their choice it is in fact the choice of all cc players..even morons like you!

[Aradhus]

I can't say I really read any of the other posts, just the initial one.

I don't see how it is anybody else's business what type of games a person plays. If some people predominantly play triples, then that is up to them.

Though I would say they are losing out, as all the game types and the different combinations and maps, the diversity, make CC as good as it is. I could never play the same map over and over, or the same game type, it would become dreadfully dull.

Anyway, trips games force newbies away from the site? I agree with this, somewhat. When you click on join a game the first page is always always triples. Newbies, in the most part, aren't concerned with the specifics, they just want to get playing as quickly as possible. They join the first games they see, which are triples, and they get trounced horribly. They don't come back.

[chessplaya]

u think trips is the easy walk ...try walkin the walk instead of attacking trips players

i played a few and when i say a few i mean not more then 10-15 trips and they r DAMN hard sometimes

now i understand doubles with unlimited forts can be easy just move all ur armies to ur team mate he/she attacks then give u armies u attack etc.

but even with unlim forts trips has got to be more difficult then dubs

if ur a good player with a good strategy and win a lot its not because trips are easy ..its because ur opponent aer just so fuckin dumb

bottom line is : try playin only trips and u will see that ur score will stay the same ..probably it gets a bit higher but u will never make it to the top
cuz ur just not that good

I am not attacking the thread owner i am attacking the idea that players in CC have about triples games

Cheers

Chessplaya