[CC11] Conqueror's Cup XI - Winner: the Fallen, MVP: rcfritz

[Keefie]

why are you so beat up over it lmao

Why are you agreeing ? Every clan signed up has read and agrees to the rules. Now, the two clans who jumped a couple of places in the Jan rankings want to move the goalposts. Let's just stick to what everyone agreed and signed up to.

[iAmCaffeine]

not like it's gonna have any impact on your clan regardless but you pop off and have your moment x

[shoop76]

I think two things in rules were copy-pasted from the last years, without considering new circumstances from this year.

1. Seeding from December F400 instead from January.
> In every year until now, CCup was starting at January 1 or around that date. In these circumstances, it was proper to use December ranking for seeding. However, this year CCup starts around January 20 so we already have January ranking posted, therefore that one is proper be used, not December ranking.

2. The old rule states that a clan needs to have one war completed to enter CCup.
> This rule was made in the early beginnings of CCup in order to prevent unserious clans who might drop out from joining. However I think we should allow to REP clan to join because we already know that that clan is composed of serious proven players and will surely not drop out of the Cup.

1. When signups started only the December rankings were out, that is why these were used. It was clearly stated and no one raised an issue at the time. Now the January rankings are out some want to use that. We will keep it as stated in the OP.

2. REP has not asked to sign up for this event, but even if they had it would be unlikely an exception would be made. Its dangerous to set precedent for something like this. I know they will be a great clan and look forward to seeing them next year.

[iAmCaffeine]

I think two things in rules were copy-pasted from the last years, without considering new circumstances from this year.

1. Seeding from December F400 instead from January.
> In every year until now, CCup was starting at January 1 or around that date. In these circumstances, it was proper to use December ranking for seeding. However, this year CCup starts around January 20 so we already have January ranking posted, therefore that one is proper be used, not December ranking.

2. The old rule states that a clan needs to have one war completed to enter CCup.
> This rule was made in the early beginnings of CCup in order to prevent unserious clans who might drop out from joining. However I think we should allow to REP clan to join because we already know that that clan is composed of serious proven players and will surely not drop out of the Cup.

1. When signups started only the December rankings were out, that is why these were used. It was clearly stated and no one raised an issue at the time. Now the January rankings are out some want to use that. We will keep it as stated in the OP.

just for clarity, is that a CD statement, agreed by the CD team?

[Sanguis]

I think two things in rules were copy-pasted from the last years, without considering new circumstances from this year.

1. Seeding from December F400 instead from January.
> In every year until now, CCup was starting at January 1 or around that date. In these circumstances, it was proper to use December ranking for seeding. However, this year CCup starts around January 20 so we already have January ranking posted, therefore that one is proper be used, not December ranking.

2. The old rule states that a clan needs to have one war completed to enter CCup.
> This rule was made in the early beginnings of CCup in order to prevent unserious clans who might drop out from joining. However I think we should allow to REP clan to join because we already know that that clan is composed of serious proven players and will surely not drop out of the Cup.

1. When signups started only the December rankings were out, that is why these were used. It was clearly stated and no one raised an issue at the time. Now the January rankings are out some want to use that. We will keep it as stated in the OP.

just for clarity, is that a CD statement, agreed by the CD team?

Maybe you should try and read what the opening post says about what ranking is being used. It is clarified there.

We know that you got some positions, and that S&M gained some too, while we lost some. It's in your interest to propose that those rankings are being used, obviously, but... Everyone complied with what was being said in that opening post by responding that they have fully read and understood what was written there. Keefie isn't trying to "get his moment", he's just referring you to what has been written, what you should have read, and what you should have understood. I guess that "understood" was not a part of the "etc." that you wrote in your post, lol.

If ICON would have lost positions in the January ranking, I'm willing to bet money on it that you would've been the first one to respond to Josko with something like: "Well actually... the opening statement says that the December ranking will be used."

[Keefie]

I think two things in rules were copy-pasted from the last years, without considering new circumstances from this year.

1. Seeding from December F400 instead from January.
> In every year until now, CCup was starting at January 1 or around that date. In these circumstances, it was proper to use December ranking for seeding. However, this year CCup starts around January 20 so we already have January ranking posted, therefore that one is proper be used, not December ranking.

2. The old rule states that a clan needs to have one war completed to enter CCup.
> This rule was made in the early beginnings of CCup in order to prevent unserious clans who might drop out from joining. However I think we should allow to REP clan to join because we already know that that clan is composed of serious proven players and will surely not drop out of the Cup.

1. When signups started only the December rankings were out, that is why these were used. It was clearly stated and no one raised an issue at the time. Now the January rankings are out some want to use that. We will keep it as stated in the OP.

just for clarity, is that a CD statement, agreed by the CD team?

A post by the TO is good enough for me

[josko.ri]

S&M is anyway first seeded because first two seeded are determined by their placement in last year CCup. So I didn't have personal motivation behind proposing this idea.

[Sanguis]

S&M is anyway first seeded because first two seeded are determined by their placement in last year CCup. So I didn't have personal motivation behind proposing this idea.

What I mean is that regardless of S&M benefitting, caff now has an incentive to say something about it.

[iAmCaffeine]

I think two things in rules were copy-pasted from the last years, without considering new circumstances from this year.

1. Seeding from December F400 instead from January.
> In every year until now, CCup was starting at January 1 or around that date. In these circumstances, it was proper to use December ranking for seeding. However, this year CCup starts around January 20 so we already have January ranking posted, therefore that one is proper be used, not December ranking.

2. The old rule states that a clan needs to have one war completed to enter CCup.
> This rule was made in the early beginnings of CCup in order to prevent unserious clans who might drop out from joining. However I think we should allow to REP clan to join because we already know that that clan is composed of serious proven players and will surely not drop out of the Cup.

1. When signups started only the December rankings were out, that is why these were used. It was clearly stated and no one raised an issue at the time. Now the January rankings are out some want to use that. We will keep it as stated in the OP.

just for clarity, is that a CD statement, agreed by the CD team?

Maybe you should try and read what the opening post says about what ranking is being used. It is clarified there.

We know that you got some positions, and that S&M gained some too, while we lost some. It's in your interest to propose that those rankings are being used, obviously, but... Everyone complied with what was being said in that opening post by responding that they have fully read and understood what was written there. Keefie isn't trying to "get his moment", he's just referring you to what has been written, what you should have read, and what you should have understood. I guess that "understood" was not a part of the "etc." that you wrote in your post, lol.

If ICON would have lost positions in the January ranking, I'm willing to bet money on it that you would've been the first one to respond to Josko with something like: "Well actually... the opening statement says that the December ranking will be used."

i pretty much never read the post before signing up lol. also not really bothered if our seeding changes either, we play who we play and that's it. Keefie knows i'm just having some fun as usual.

on the other hand you do seem to have some kind of issue with me. i'd say pm me about it but i really don't care enough to engage with you beyond this message right now so bye!

[Keefie]

I only have a problem with you when you behave like an arrogant knob.

[iAmCaffeine]

i saw overreaction and i jumped at the opportunity to have some fun. forums are boring these days, gotta make the most of it.

as for being arrogant.. almost never. unless as humour.

[rockfist]

We are automatically the #2 seed, in accordance with longstanding rules. The rankings only matter for seeds 3 and below.

[BabySasuke]

C u next time

[niMic]

It's C U Next Tuesday, technically.

[IcePack]

It's C U Next Tuesday, technically.

Next year, technically.

[niMic]

That's sneaky.

[BabySasuke]

time still works

[shoop76]

Bracket posted.

6 week period will start this Sunday, January 24, 2020.

Good luck to all.

[Extreme Ways]

R1:
S&M > VNM
OSA > LOW
FALL > RET
A^ > DBD
TOFU > BOB
ATL > GON
LHDD > KNT
FOED > ICON

R2:
S&M > OSA
FALL > A^
TOFU > ATL
LHDD > FOED

R3:
S&M > FALL
TOFU > LHDD

R4:
TOFU > S&M

[benga]

We never won vs low

[Extreme Ways]

We never won vs low

The prophecy foretells that you'll win.

[IcePack]

R1:
S&M > VNM
OSA > LOW
FALL > RET
A^ > DBD
TOFU > BOB
ATL > GON
LHDD > KNT
FOED < ICON

R2:
S&M > OSA
FALL > A^
TOFU > ATL
LHDD > ICON

R3:
S&M > FALL
TOFU > LHDD

R4:
TOFU < S&M

Fixed

[Extreme Ways]

We never won vs low

Ice also believes in you. Don't want to disappoint both of us, do you?

[benga]

I kick ass in 3some

[IcePack]

I kick ass in 3some

That should translate well to triples games