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[Ragian]

Denmark playing Ireland in a bit. I'll do my rereading and voting tomorrow.

[Tobikera]

Denmark playing Ireland in a bit. I'll do my rereading and voting tomorrow.

We all have our priorities!!


I'm conflicted as well as flummoxed.
I'm Danish/Irish on the Higgins (=Irish for Viking) side of my family, and
Danish/English on the Armitage side.
Let's see,
1+1 = 2, carry the zero...hmmmm

Go Danes!!

[dgz345]

Ok i reread most posts by everyone.

Tobi and dakky feels like town. both claimed VT D1...
Pika has been on them for this whole D1. which gives +points to townie
But everything pika says is to advanced for me so thats +scum points

Silly question perhaps... in a game of this size, would there be more than one VT?
if no and tobi is lying then would the real vt counterclaim?

So, basically, you are claiming a town power role or scum...

so this is kinda where im right now aswell. blacky feels like a power role or scum (but this leads me back to the flavor train again... .)

Beast comes of as town.

And i still have Strike as FoS.
hes been to "on" me but there should not be 2 lyncher roles.
"feels" he is protecting blacky.


and im not sure about ragian.

He has a way hes playing "good guy" scum

My gut is saying that ragian is trying to "protect" me cause he knows im not scum. and therefor sound more townie if i would get lynched.

BUT thats just my gut right now.

i know i have been busy and as strike says im with him a little. maybe me and him thinks somewhat alike (the absent thing not hammer and majority stuff.)
i would have voted myself so it feels weird when others don't vote me.

or everyone here is just better than me at mafia and I'm over thinking


Hope i didnt miss anything cause ill go to sleep now!

[strike wolf]

Is this gonna be a thing now where every game someone says I'm linked to Blacky but won't give a reason?

[blacky365]

Yeah mate

The problem is that if someone says that they believe someone then others jump on it and say they have found the scum!

[Ragian]

I think it's dgz. The hammer might be an accident, but carelessness is a scummy trait. Moreover, he doesn't seem invested. "Someone has to be scum" equals "I don't care who we lynch."

However, the next question would then be: If dgz is scum, who is his teammate? (With a lyncher present and the number of people playing, I presume two scum.) if he's town, who is then likely to be scum? I'll need to read back the thread to get a clearer understanding of that (and not be on my mobile).

I'm voting today. Everyone voting should ask themselves the questions above.

and im not sure about ragian.

He has a way hes playing "good guy" scum

My gut is saying that ragian is trying to "protect" me cause he knows im not scum. and therefor sound more townie if i would get lynched.

[Ragian]

Have you ever been scum, blacky?

Sadly not... I’m sure it would be fun but so far I’ve only been given very basic town roles

I know this is hard, and it's mainly because I lost that game, but this was a lie.

---

On dgz

His first contribution D1 is flavour related. A lot have done this, but his came quite soon after Skoffin had said that flavour was just flavour, not something to go on.

well doesn't razor work in a store?

and i would guess that the store employees are the "mafia"

Next thing I found is this:

been busy with the kids and uni. but i read everything. and got zero clues, im willing to sell my vote to the highest bidder XD

While the smiley indicates it's a joke, it doesn't sit well with me based on the lack of contributions to the game that dgz had had at that point.

Then a wagon starts building on Razor who claims but doesn't give reactions. Dgz responds with:

Post counts.

Ragian 44
Pikanchion 23
chapcrap 21
blacky365 20
dakky21 17
strike wolf 15
Tobikera 12
dgz345 10
Metsfanmax 10
Razorvich 9
Skoffin 9
aage 6

atleast im not in the bottom...

ragian feels more talkative then usually from the games ive played with him. just putting that out.

and razor is as quiet as usually. (hes way to busy IRL or something)

Blackys vote unvote thing is most likly a bad habit he has because hes been swinging all games we played together

pika seems to have something against VT...

dakky my count post script works fine... dont accuse me of selling you fault wares, but you can get this instead! VOTE Dakky21

A nore or less irrelevant post count and a joke vote well into the game.

After that, he starts promoting his script (which should've been done in a PM). It's just funny after he has put emphasis on the post count that he gets a fair few posts in with no contributions to the game whatsoever.

Then add the "accidental" hammer. Not committed throughout D1 till he's the deciding vote. (To be fair, I was happy Raz was lynched because I thought he was scum.)

So, vote dgz

Another thing is that the minute after I voted blacky D2, he voted blacky. I.e. if dgz is indeed scum, blacky is not (which doesn't necessarily mean that the vice versa is true). Moreover, Strike, Beast, Tobi, aaaand...someone else...have expressed a will to vote dgz. So, jmf as scumpartner if dgz flips scum is my bet.

[Skoffin]

Vote Count
9 alive, 5 needed to lynch.

Pikanchion ---- JFM. Tobi, (2)
dakky21 ------- pika (1)
Ragian ---------
strike wolf ----
JFM ------
blacky365 -----
dgz345 --------- Beast, dakky, ragamuffin (3)
Beast ---
Tobikera -------

[Ragian]

Or whoever has expressed a will to vote for dgz without following through.

[dgz345]

@Ragian the Razor working in a store is a joke about his irl job.
Which I belive is in a store.
And he was not a store employee in this game (Opening up all the products)

And even if skoffin has said flavor doesn't matter role names could still matter!


I'll say that im townie

My role is Can’t read signs properly

I'll not say if I got a power or not for now.

[dakky21]

dgz... I believe you are town but anyone can come up with such a role name because we already seen what are possible role names. On the other hand we already discussed the flavor is not important, so someone "opening all the products" or "can't read signs properly" can be scum while "the store owner" can be town. Flavor doesn't matter.

Then again... repetitively saying you would vote anyone, joking about selling the vote and then a slip (which as I said I believe is not a slip) when you said majority of town was on Razors lynch... I'm really torn apart between you and Pika.

[dgz345]

Well i did make a hint to my role name with my first post

Stores don't have typos only bad placed signs

but i can agree to your point that we still have to little infomation about the role name against the alignment.
but if we go with the solid proof that we have

Dead:
7 Razorvich Lynched D1 Opening up all the products (Townie)
3 aage Killed N1 The Tired Supervisor (Lyncher)

someone with my role looks more town. and as i said i made reference to it in my first post.

that is not something i can plan ahead and know that town has weird roles as that if i was scum.

[dgz345]

So i feel like ive tried to defend me as much as i can from being at L-2

so either lynch me or try to pressure someone else to L-2 to get as much out of em as you have got out of me.

[Ragian]

Your defence is flavour. Come on, man, it's not a defence! Let's say you go down. Wrongly even. Who are the baddies in your view and why?

[ZaBeast]

Ok i reread most posts by everyone.

Tobi and dakky feels like town. both claimed VT D1...
Pika has been on them for this whole D1. which gives +points to townie
But everything pika says is to advanced for me so thats +scum points
So because pika is going after people you think are town makes him town? Or is it the same thing as Ragian and you think scum pika wouldn't have been so determined to get them lynched?

Silly question perhaps... in a game of this size, would there be more than one VT?
if no and tobi is lying then would the real vt counterclaim?

So, basically, you are claiming a town power role or scum...

so this is kinda where im right now aswell. blacky feels like a power role or scum (but this leads me back to the flavor train again... .)
Any reason why you disregard the possibility he was considering counter-claiming VT?
Beast comes of as town.

Also, I'm not sure why you FOS strike for suspecting you when you end your post by saying you'd vote yourself if you were another player

I'll stop defending DGZ here as this is a clear slip but I still think that his computer brain takes things differently than normal people. If there are 11 players then majority of town had to be on the lynch. So I kinda understand what he wanted to say, but just said it in a wrong format. It may be a slip or he is just bugged with programming stuff and numbers are all around him but we will never find out unless we finally lynch him. I'm also tired of this "what if" and "if then". If he is town then I was right all along and I guess we have some material to go through with people who disagreed that he is just distracted and lost.

So basically it clearly is a slip, but maybe it's not, and then you go on saying

Then again... repetitively saying you would vote anyone, joking about selling the vote and then a slip (which as I said I believe is not a slip) when you said majority of town was on Razors lynch... I'm really torn apart between you and Pika.

Can you play more on both sides please?

If dgz is scum: I'd say jfm is on his team because his "accusation" of him was so half-assed, it had no chance of gaining traction, might come from scum trying to make it look like they're on opposite teams (though jfm looks town so far), and blacky town because of dgz joining the bandwagon on him.
If dgz is town: I'd say strike might be scum, because I found him too quick to jump on the "slip" about a majority of townies voting Raz, and that looked like him just trying to find a reason to vote him. Then again he did FOS dgz previously, so maybe he just felt that slip was the last straw in regards to voting him.

[strike wolf]

I was the first person to bring up the way he hammered as suspicious. I just wasn't the first to vote him.

[ZaBeast]

I just don't like how you said earlier you didn't feel comfortable voting blacky or dgz before they explained themselves, while you immediately jumped at dgz for that comment without giving him a chance to explain it.

[dgz345]

Your defence is flavour. Come on, man, it's not a defence! Let's say you go down. Wrongly even. Who are the baddies in your view and why?

Well that's the only piece of hard truth that I know.

My role claim is 100% true and I can't really defend with anything else about me.

Only way for me to defend myself now is by throwing suspicion on others or lie. Which both sounds scum to me (for just defending myself)

Scumies in my eyes are strike and blacky

Or Ragian and jfm

But both are just hunches.

[dgz345]

@beast

Blacky has said he's an employee. And I just don't belive vt would be an employee that doesn't sound vanilla in my ears.

And the strike thing was a fos of. I think you are pushing me a bit to hard right now fos. (unwarranted)

[strike wolf]

I already said I probably overreacted there but my point was that it was never simply about the slip either.

You still haven't given much of a reason for connecting me to Blacky. Actually your whole reason for saying you suspect me to begin with has been pretty much just OMGus. I don't think you've said much more in regards to Raglan or why he would be linked to JFM. You seem intelligent. I don't expect you to pull out all the answers but if you are town, try to give something a bit more concrete on why you suspect people.

Honestly, if I was looking from the outside, I might suspect that my connection was to Pika. What with the timing of my vote.

I doubt I'm gonna die tonight if DGZ flips town. I might be too obvious a target if he flips scum but *Shrugs* I'll give fuller reads and then probably place my vote back tomorrow.

1. Blackt- odd behavior. Most of its caught up in the flavor discussion that I intentionally skirted. His belief that his role would be seen as scummy is interesting but ultimately I'm not sure he would admit that much as scum. So I'm kinda meh on it.

2. Ragian-Hes been active and questioning. Have tended to agree with most of what hes said. It gives me a town vibe.

3. Pika-Has pretty much been adamant about the policy lynch and a refusal to claim under pressure. His stubbornness seems unlikely to be scum as it's a risky strategy that draws a decent bit of unwanted attention but he's also not being very helpful.

4. Jfm-so far he's giving me a similar vibe to the last game. He seems to be trying and the flavor thing seems mostly like a misunderstanding so I lean town for the time being.

5. Zabeast-Ive not gotten much of a feeling about him yet. His last couple response have been fairly good though.

6. Tobi-honestly I don't really have much of a read on him. Will need to read back. .I disagree with the policy lynch (though I admit it would be kinda funny if both he and Dakky turned out as scum). His claim matches a known town's flavor but I really don't think Skoffin is lazy enough as a mod to give out such an easy way to read town from non-town without at least giving out fake claims to mafia.

7. Dakky-similar to DGZ, he kinda has been throwing his vote around and his reasoning for voting DGZ was kinda suspect to me. It felt half-hearted.

[blacky365]

Ok i reread most posts by everyone.

Tobi and dakky feels like town. both claimed VT D1...
Pika has been on them for this whole D1. which gives +points to townie
But everything pika says is to advanced for me so thats +scum points
So because pika is going after people you think are town makes him town? Or is it the same thing as Ragian and you think scum pika wouldn't have been so determined to get them lynched?

Silly question perhaps... in a game of this size, would there be more than one VT?
if no and tobi is lying then would the real vt counterclaim?

So, basically, you are claiming a town power role or scum...

so this is kinda where im right now aswell. blacky feels like a power role or scum (but this leads me back to the flavor train again... .)
Any reason why you disregard the possibility he was considering counter-claiming VT?
Beast comes of as town.

Exactly... u are assuming i have a power role or scum because i asked the question... perhaps i am also a vt and was surprised at the number of vt's already claimed.

1. Blackt- odd behavior. Most of its caught up in the flavor discussion that I intentionally skirted. His belief that his role would be seen as scummy is interesting but ultimately I'm not sure he would admit that much as scum. So I'm kinda meh on it.

I wish i wasnt sitting here discussing flavour and we could actually scum hunt, but some guys just wanna discuss flavour and its distracting from anything real...

@beast

Blacky has said he's an employee. And I just don't belive vt would be an employee that doesn't sound vanilla in my ears.

And the strike thing was a fos of. I think you are pushing me a bit to hard right now fos. (unwarranted)

Again with the flavour accusations... come on man, ive held of voting you for so long but can not continue if you dont listen to whats being said...

VOTE DGZ

[Skoffin]

Vote Count
9 alive, 5 needed to lynch.

Pikanchion ---- JFM. Tobi, (2)
dakky21 ------- pika (1)
Ragian ---------
strike wolf ----
JFM ------
blacky365 -----
dgz345 --------- Beast, dakky, ragamuffin, blacky (4)
Beast ---
Tobikera -------

[strike wolf]

@Blacky. You weren't exactly disengaged from the flavor yourself. Most of your wanting it to go away seems to come up when you're in the spot light.

[dgz345]

Exactly... u are assuming i have a power role or scum because i asked the question... perhaps i am also a vt and was surprised at the number of vt's already claimed.

You don't seem so sure yourself

And if we are to belive dakky and tobi and including myself being VT

That leaves 6 persons who's alive that has not claimed vt.

And in a regular mafia game I would say there is a cop and a doctor. And maybe 2-3 scum

That would give you a kinda high chance for being power role or scum.

It feels like you over justified your vote on me

I rather have you at L-2 right now to learn more.

VOTE blacky

[Ragian]

@dgz, do you feel most comfortable about blacky being bad?