1 Clan Rule

[The_Samurai]

Below is the recent post on the "1 clan rule".

In my view, 3. should come before 1. A player should complete all his activate games with his current clan, then the clan can remove him/her from their roster, and only then the player can be added to the roster of the new clan.

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[Official] 1 Clan Rule
Unread postby Lindax on 29 Oct 2018, 07:00

1 Clan Rule:

A player may only be a member of 1 active clan.

Clan Events:

A player can only play for 1 clan in the same clan war, clan tournament or other clan event.


Changing clans:

First have the clan you're leaving take you off their member list.
Then have the clan you're joining add you to their member list.
You can finish your ongoing clan games for the clan you're leaving.
You cannot join any clan games for your new clan until all your games for your old clan are finished.

[MagnusGreeol]

I thought it was weird and out of line, when we had a member leave to join another clan, while he was still fighting wars for us? So he was officially in another clan, But his last few clan wars with Us weren't over, So he continued fighting for us under another clans name!?!? I said I didn't think it was right, but was over ruled!?

[Keefie]

Not wanting to sound picky but doesn't the following refer to the 'Cup Tied Rule' rather than the 'One Clan Rule'. To avoid confusion it might be sensible to keep these two rules separate.

Clan Events:

A player can only play for 1 clan in the same clan war, clan tournament or other clan event.

In which case, it's already covered in Section 7 of the Clan Guides and Rules as follows:

What does “tied” mean?

A popular topic in early clan tournaments! Basically, a player plays with Clan A in a clan tournament and Clan A is eliminated. The player, not wanting to be done with the tournament, joins Clan B, which is still in the tournament, and plays in future games for Clan B in the same clan tournament. This was seen as a potential opportunity for abuse. Accordingly, most clan tournaments, and the default rule if no rule is made by the Tournament Organizer, is that players are “tied” to the clan they first participate with in any particular tournament. As such, in the above example, since the player first appeared in the clan tournament with Clan A, he cannot later play for Clan B in the same tournament.

In addition the new 'Rule' in section 8 is contrary to the rules currently being applied to clan tournaments.

Conquerors Cup

We will be playing with an amended "cup tied" rule:

If a player plays for a clan in a given round, they are cup-tied for that round and cannot play for another clan in that round
If the old clan of a player loses the round in which the player has played, that player is considered "eliminated" with their old clan and cannot play for another clan for the rest of the tournament
If the old clan of a player wins the last round in which the player has played with them, then they are not considered cup-tied at the conclusion of that war and are free to play with any other clan at the beginning of the next round of the tournament

[IcePack]

I thought it was weird and out of line, when we had a member leave to join another clan, while he was still fighting wars for us? So he was officially in another clan, But his last few clan wars with Us weren't over, So he continued fighting for us under another clans name!?!? I said I didn't think it was right, but was over ruled!?

Clans are essentially usergroups. Usergroups have seperate site wide policy’s / rules, on how you can join and leave etc. under which the clan department has no authority. the site allows people to leave and join usergroups at will. Sometimes there are hurt feelings, ppl upset, bad blood or whatever and it’s best not to “force” those people to stay longer and make the situation worse.

The only thing for a clan team to weigh in on is how the clans must manage this occurrence of a player choosing to leave. This is where the rule applies stating that they must complete games prior to playing games with the new group.

This is really the only part clan dept has control over. They could allow new games to be played under the new clan if they wanted concurrently, they could restrict them, they could say all games must be completed, or all games must be eliminated, or any variation thereof. They can’t restrict them to a specific Usergroup until games complete, cuz they don’t have that jurisdiction.

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Fastposted by Keefie

It appears they are either confusing the cup tied and one clan rule or perhaps attempting to merge two seperate / unrelated rules into one, but it does seem contradict existing rules on existing events that are ongoing. Potentially I guess this could be for all new events? Idk, but clan league and cup both already have rules related to being cup tied.

[Lindax]

Fastposted by Keefie

It appears they are either confusing the cup tied and one clan rule or perhaps attempting to merge two seperate / unrelated rules into one, but it does seem contradict existing rules on existing events that are ongoing. Potentially I guess this could be for all new events? Idk, but clan league and cup both already have rules related to being cup tied.

The only tournament that currently has a rule that deviates from the 1 clan rule is CC8. This would be the "Cup-tied" rule.

We decided to have CC9 follow the standard 1 clan rule and no longer have deviations or exceptions.

Lx

[IcePack]

Fastposted by Keefie

It appears they are either confusing the cup tied and one clan rule or perhaps attempting to merge two seperate / unrelated rules into one, but it does seem contradict existing rules on existing events that are ongoing. Potentially I guess this could be for all new events? Idk, but clan league and cup both already have rules related to being cup tied.

The only tournament that currently has a rule that deviates from the 1 clan rule is CC8. This would be the "Cup-tied" rule.

We decided to have CC9 follow the standard 1 clan rule and no longer have deviations or exceptions.

Lx

Was the change of this long time Cup rule discussed or debated in CDF/CAT areas, or unilaterally decided by CD’s?

[Lindax]

Fastposted by Keefie

It appears they are either confusing the cup tied and one clan rule or perhaps attempting to merge two seperate / unrelated rules into one, but it does seem contradict existing rules on existing events that are ongoing. Potentially I guess this could be for all new events? Idk, but clan league and cup both already have rules related to being cup tied.

The only tournament that currently has a rule that deviates from the 1 clan rule is CC8. This would be the "Cup-tied" rule.

We decided to have CC9 follow the standard 1 clan rule and no longer have deviations or exceptions.

Lx

Was the change of this long time Cup rule discussed or debated in CDF/CAT areas, or unilaterally decided by CD’s?

Decide by us, the CDs.

It affects maybe a couple of players at most, hence we did not deem a discussion necessary.

Lx

[IcePack]

Fastposted by Keefie

It appears they are either confusing the cup tied and one clan rule or perhaps attempting to merge two seperate / unrelated rules into one, but it does seem contradict existing rules on existing events that are ongoing. Potentially I guess this could be for all new events? Idk, but clan league and cup both already have rules related to being cup tied.

The only tournament that currently has a rule that deviates from the 1 clan rule is CC8. This would be the "Cup-tied" rule.

We decided to have CC9 follow the standard 1 clan rule and no longer have deviations or exceptions.

Lx

Was the change of this long time Cup rule discussed or debated in CDF/CAT areas, or unilaterally decided by CD’s?

Decide by us, the CDs.

It affects maybe a couple of players at most, hence we did not deem a discussion necessary.

Lx

Well it might only end up impacting / applying to a few players at most a year, but it does impact every clan cup participant's potential to participate.
This rule has been in place since mid CC1 (and officially memorialized in the rules of CC3 and beyond) and heavily discussed in the CLA previously,
while enjoying large support of clans.

Potentially this blocks people out of the cup (which now goes a year long) and on a site where clans are disappearing / members are harder and harder to get,
I'm a little surprised a long standing and highly supported rule like this would be changed without even a discussion (let alone vote) when it potentially makes things only harder, not easier to get people (especially in the event of an unexpected clan closure or something). Especially since its a rule that was established originally by the CD's in conjunction with the CLA (now the CDF/CAT)

Thats the sort of thing the CDF / CAT is meant to discuss isn't it? Has there been any clans requesting it be changed? Whats the reason for the unilateral change by CDs?