South Africa land reform

[The ram]

Theresa May currently visiting South Africa looked very awkward dancing with some Africans. Not nearly as awkward as she would have felt bringing up the South African government policy on land reform and the white genocide it is leading to. No, Theresa the appeaser would rather look like a right twat dancing than bring up any barbaric treatment of farmers.

Looks like South Africa will be Zimbabwe 2.

[Neoteny]

I like how the nazis have to specify "white" genocide as if it's different or worse than just regular old genocide. But y'all have been whining about being genocided for decades and you're still fucking around, so forgive me for not thinking that attempts to repair a system of actual state level racism by allowing more equitable access to land is genocide.

[warmonger1981]

Let's make bets on how this will end.

From what Ram says it sounds like a bad thing for whites to be killed at this moment.

From what Neoteny says it sounds like a good thing for whites to be killed at this moment.


One person is for killing. Another person is against the killing.

[Neoteny]

Heck yeah I'm white genociding right now. As I type I am killing just trainfuls of white people, and it's a very real and normal thing that people should worry about. White genocide is absolutely not a figment of nazis' imagination and is a thing anyone with an ounce of cortical tissue would recognize is real.

[Neoteny]

BRB applying for out-of-context-thread inclusion.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I like how the nazis have to specify "white" genocide as if it's different or worse than just regular old genocide. But y'all have been whining about being genocided for decades and you're still fucking around, so forgive me for not thinking that attempts to repair a system of actual state level racism by allowing more equitable access to land is genocide.

lol when the Americans did it to the Indians it was a crime, but when the black South Africans do it to the white South Africans it's "equitable access."

It's theft of property perpetuated along racial lines, or a majority population taking something from the minority population. Something you in theory should be opposed to.

[warmonger1981]

Ah. The old eye for an eye motto.

[armati]

I dont know how its gonna end up.

As a guess I say the whites lose their land, then when the population realizes they know didly about farming and they begin to starve they pretty much beg for them to come back.
Ive heard that somewhere else before tho.

Russia is taking the farmers and providing them land to farm, but that offer has been available to pretty much anyone from anywhere for a long time now.
South african white farmers see the benefits I guess. They and Russians are christian as well so there is that connection.

As for who gets away with genocides, Israel sure as heck does and I think Myanmar? so it might have to do with what political connections a nation has or maybe just who they buy their weapons from.

As a bric member the west might take exception to s.africa.

I find world events far more entertaining than reality shows.

[xtratabasco]

I like how the nazis have to specify "white" genocide as if it's different or worse than just regular old genocide. But y'all have been whining about being genocided for decades and you're still fucking around, so forgive me for not thinking that attempts to repair a system of actual state level racism by allowing more equitable access to land is genocide.

.......fool

let the dark skins eat cake

[The ram]

I like how the nazis have to specify "white" genocide as if it's different or worse than just regular old genocide. But y'all have been whining about being genocided for decades and you're still fucking around, so forgive me for not thinking that attempts to repair a system of actual state level racism by allowing more equitable access to land is genocide.

Wow the term white genocide really triggered the tard here. Sorry buddy, what's the acceptable lefty term for the events regarding the white population of Zimbabwe?

[GoranZ]

equitable access to land

You are talking about this in Communist society or in Capitalist society?
In Capitalist society you need to own the land... if you dont own the land it can not be yours no matter how loud you whine. Its just how the system works

[Symmetry]

SA is neither, Goran- but there are significant legacies from Apartheid rule that need to be addressed still.

[GoranZ]

SA is neither

no kidding, it must be some symmetric society then

Goran- but there are significant legacies from Apartheid rule that need to be addressed still.

If you drag Apartheid(dissolved last century) into the problem then you are dragging history into the problem so you can justify the creation of the problem.
But lets apply your logic elsewhere just to portrait how WRONG you are. Palestinian claims for Jerusalem or West bank are meaningless since Israelis are predating the Palestinians on that land by very long time...

Do you still think that legacies from Apartheid should be solved in this manner or something else should be used?

[Symmetry]

SA is neither

no kidding, it must be some symmetric society then

Goran- but there are significant legacies from Apartheid rule that need to be addressed still.

If you drag Apartheid(dissolved last century) into the problem then you are dragging history into the problem so you can justify the creation of the problem.
But lets apply your logic elsewhere just to portrait how WRONG you are. Palestinian claims for Jerusalem or West bank are meaningless since Israelis are predating the Palestinians on that land by very long time...

Do you still think that legacies from Apartheid should be solved in this manner or something else should be used?

I generally admire the way that SA has handled it's transition from Apartheid. Take things like the Truth and Reconciliation commission, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and ... th_Africa)

I'm not sure there will ever be a solution that satisfies everyone- but I don't really trust people who believe in Trump tweets for their information.

[armati]

goranz
how do you figure the Israelis (jews) predate the palestinians (arabs) in the area?

[spurgistan]

I like how the nazis have to specify "white" genocide as if it's different or worse than just regular old genocide. But y'all have been whining about being genocided for decades and you're still fucking around, so forgive me for not thinking that attempts to repair a system of actual state level racism by allowing more equitable access to land is genocide.

Wow the term white genocide really triggered the tard here. Sorry buddy, what's the acceptable lefty term for the events regarding the white population of Zimbabwe?

Retaliatory violence for years of violent political and economic subjugation? (Which isn't ok, obviously, because it's violence, as it's not like whites were all necessarily complicit in the crimes of the Rhodesian government and its paramilitaries) What do you call the Ian Smith government of Rhodesia, a paradise of white minority rule, with the odd bit of state-supported violence that killed hundreds of black activists?

edit - and never mind that Mugabe just terrorized everybody who disagrees with him. He had his goons beat up Tsvangarai (sp) and he was a member of his own party. Just a goon who was able to drape himself in anti-colonialist robes thanks in no small part to the fact that it was true.

[Neoteny]

equitable access to land

You are talking about this in Communist society or in Capitalist society?
In Capitalist society you need to own the land... if you dont own the land it can not be yours no matter how loud you whine. Its just how the system works

Oh golly, thanks for the economics lesson.

Wow the term white genocide really triggered the tard here. Sorry buddy, what's the acceptable lefty term for the events regarding the white population of Zimbabwe?

Expropriation for the legal action, and racist tears for everything else.

[mookiemcgee]

goranz
how do you figure the Israelis (jews) predate the palestinians (arabs) in the area?

If you are referring to the modern arab Palestinians, they have been in the region for about 1300 years or so since Muhammad's conquests.

Jews, since roughly 1200 BCE I believe.

I know I'm not GoranZ, he's welcome to correct my post or answer himself... Just thought I'd add what the mainstream 'fake news' schoolbooks would answer if posed this question.

[armati]

I wasnt thinking, but ya, prior, the people wernt known as arabs.

Jews go back ? wikipdedia says 1500 bce in the article I read.

According to wikipedia the earliest known people in the area was 260,000 years ago and continuous until today.

If thats the case, I guess it belongs to who ever has the biggest army.

[Symmetry]

goranz
how do you figure the Israelis (jews) predate the palestinians (arabs) in the area?

If you are referring to the modern arab Palestinians, they have been in the region for about 1300 years or so since Muhammad's conquests.

Jews, since roughly 1200 BCE I believe.

I know I'm not GoranZ, he's welcome to correct my post or answer himself... Just thought I'd add what the mainstream 'fake news' schoolbooks would answer if posed this question.

There's a really good book- Jerusalem, the biography, by Simon Sebag Montefiore. It's a set of short biographies of the people who claimed to own Jerusalem over the years. Roman rulers, Jewish rulers, Christians, Mongols, Muslims, Pagans, etc. Worth a read if you can pick it up.

[GoranZ]

SA is neither

no kidding, it must be some symmetric society then

Goran- but there are significant legacies from Apartheid rule that need to be addressed still.

If you drag Apartheid(dissolved last century) into the problem then you are dragging history into the problem so you can justify the creation of the problem.
But lets apply your logic elsewhere just to portrait how WRONG you are. Palestinian claims for Jerusalem or West bank are meaningless since Israelis are predating the Palestinians on that land by very long time...

Do you still think that legacies from Apartheid should be solved in this manner or something else should be used?

I generally admire the way that SA has handled it's transition from Apartheid. Take things like the Truth and Reconciliation commission, for example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_and ... th_Africa)

So far the things are done as it should... but if land reform is implemented then overall transition will be horribly wrong and all achieved things so far will be lost for life.

I'm not sure there will ever be a solution that satisfies everyone- but I don't really trust people who believe in Trump tweets for their information.

You say that my information arrive from Trumps tweets? Where have I quoted Trump and majority of world population say that that tweet is wrong?
I will say that its impossible to trust someone that supports destruction of ancient Buddha monuments in Afghanistan by the Taliban. I can say that that person is my enemy... That person is you Symmetry.

goranz
how do you figure the Israelis (jews) predate the palestinians (arabs) in the area?

If you are referring to the modern arab Palestinians, they have been in the region for about 1300 years or so since Muhammad's conquests.

Jews, since roughly 1200 BCE I believe.

I know I'm not GoranZ, he's welcome to correct my post or answer himself... Just thought I'd add what the mainstream 'fake news' schoolbooks would answer if posed this question.

Correct

According to wikipedia the earliest known people in the area was 260,000 years ago and continuous until today.

But those people didn't call themselves Palestinians or Jews.

[GoranZ]

goranz
how do you figure the Israelis (jews) predate the palestinians (arabs) in the area?

If you are referring to the modern arab Palestinians, they have been in the region for about 1300 years or so since Muhammad's conquests.

Jews, since roughly 1200 BCE I believe.

I know I'm not GoranZ, he's welcome to correct my post or answer himself... Just thought I'd add what the mainstream 'fake news' schoolbooks would answer if posed this question.

There's a really good book- Jerusalem, the biography, by Simon Sebag Montefiore. It's a set of short biographies of the people who claimed to own Jerusalem over the years. Roman rulers, Jewish rulers, Christians, Mongols, Muslims, Pagans, etc. Worth a read if you can pick it up.

The question is not who controlled Jerusalem in the past, its who claims it now. Atm only Jews and Palestinians have claims for Jerusalem but Jews predate the Palestinians for very long time.

So generally there can be used two principles for a solution:
1. Older claimers have priority... This means Palestinians have no right for Jerusalem and Whites have no right for good part of the land in South Africa.
2. Current owners have priority... This means Palestinians have rights for Jerusalem(Eastern part) and Whites have full rights for good part of the land in South Africa.

So Symmetry if you say that "Whites have no right for good part of the land in South Africa" and "Palestinians have rights for Jerusalem(Eastern part)" then you are biased, and with that unfit for fair conversation.

[The ram]

equitable access to land

You are talking about this in Communist society or in Capitalist society?
In Capitalist society you need to own the land... if you dont own the land it can not be yours no matter how loud you whine. Its just how the system works

Oh golly, thanks for the economics lesson.

Wow the term white genocide really triggered the tard here. Sorry buddy, what's the acceptable lefty term for the events regarding the white population of Zimbabwe?

Expropriation for the legal action, and racist tears for everything else.

I hope one day you find happiness.

[Neoteny]

I hope one day you find happiness.

May you learn to love people who aren't like you.

[armati]

So generally there can be used two principles for a solution:
1. Older claimers have priority... not true, aboriginals all over the world understand thats not true.
2. Current owners have priority.........possession is 9/10ths