Mass Effect 1 - Thorian (Cult) Wins!

[dakky21]

I think we need to look at everyone who defended Thor for his newbie -ish play because it was obviously a strategy.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry but I no longer know what you're talking about. Had Caff being jailed again N2 and therefore prevented another night kill, that would've alternatively near-100% confirmed as scum.

Do you know what else near-100% confirms him as scum? A lynch. There is too much to go wrong with your plan. I don't know why you didn't see it then and can't see it now.

You know what else confirms someone as scum? A day kill.

You're welcome!

Ok. I guess I need to restart the scumhunt. I just did a full read-through a few days ago but only you and skittlez tripped my radar.

[DoomYoshi]

unvote vote samlen

i don't like how you cleared dakky. Like, I agree with your reasoning but there's no point to clear players in a cult game. So either you think it isn't a cult game, or you are working hard to set up a safe recruit option. I had you as a maybe cult already on day 1, and then day 2 with the skimming. Very similar posting to pikanchion.

[strike wolf]

I'll admit I was wrong on Thor. And Saren, apparently his love for Shepard was not equal to Conrad Verner's or he would have confessed day 1. Do not attend his funeral Shepard. That loveless bastards isn't worth it.

Blargh. I was already having second thoughts on Daily because I didn't see a connection to Caff. With Thor flipping Saren, well doom is right we shouldn't completely clear anyone especially in a potential cult game but it does look like he's not linked to the mafia group.

Skoffin still kind of stands out in my mind. She initially didn't comment on Hotshots c.c. despite posting right after him which I found kind of weird. The fact she did eventually vote Caff can also be a red herring as smart scum (and even cult) would almost certainly vote Caff after the C.C. The only reason not to would be to see if people would hesitate on the C.C.

[Samlen]

unvote vote samlen

i don't like how you cleared dakky. Like, I agree with your reasoning but there's no point to clear players in a cult game. So either you think it isn't a cult game, or you are working hard to set up a safe recruit option. I had you as a maybe cult already on day 1, and then day 2 with the skimming. Very similar posting to pikanchion.

I literally just gave my reasoning on why i thought it might NOT be a cult game and I'd already mentioned that my day 2 'skimming' was because I did not have the time to read up on the game. I even missed a couple of turns in my cc games... And I didn't clear him, I said definitely not MAFIA since noone would push their teammate so hard. FOS for your own skimming.

Is it safe to say that you're taking credit for the day kill mm? And, if so, do you think it matters if you reveal the rest of your role?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Lol what happened to Tt? Day vig?

Anyway, I'm still not convinced cult is an issue. I read over DDS' scenes again and nothing stands out as cult to me. Why is everyone playing like they're an inevitability?

-Tails

[lord voldemort]

I think its a cult game. "meanwhile noticing subtle changes to his team"

screams cult to me.

I too admit I was wrong on thor. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on being a new player. Risky shot for the day vig....would of been bad if he was actually a new player and your read was wrong on him. Id rather MM not confirm any more of his role. To keep people on their toes that he may or may not be able to shoot again.

[Ragian]

Great kill! Bad move taking credit, though.

I need to address an important issue first: I'm going to a festival Tuesday - Sunday next week. I'll try to read and post at least once per day, but if you want me substituted, I completely understand. Lemme know what you guys think.

Off the top of my head, tails, skoffin, and strike have raised eyebrows. Tails hasn't really participated, I feel. Skoffin sidestepped on a few things D1 which, of course, could be explained with absence, but I still found it odd. Strike also failed to comment on something obvious which, when thinking of him as one of our best players, felt off.

Re: Cult, I agree that the phrasing that LoVo has pulled from the scene indicates cult. With two scumsters down, I'd say that a cult looks more scary right now.

[strike wolf]

Lol what happened to Tt? Day vig?

Anyway, I'm still not convinced cult is an issue. I read over DDS' scenes again and nothing stands out as cult to me. Why is everyone playing like they're an inevitability?

-Tails

Strong hints of anti-town third party combined with no kills N1 (At the time it seemed unlikely that two kills would fail) made sk seem less likely and cult seem more likely. I am rethinking it a bit with the odd Pika kill but I'm not dismissing it.

FOS Samlen . There's no reason that MM should claim more of his role. Assuming he was taking credit which does appear to be the case, I feel he has already said more than he probably should have. Asking him to reveal more smells like fishing and fishing, unlike Shepard and crew, smells bad.

[strike wolf]

Also since I forgot to mention this, what obvious thing did I forget?

[Ragian]

This:

Agree. Interesting that Strike ignored that...

*shrugs*My post did come out sounding a bit more supportive of Caff than i originally intended. I was more interested in Benga's slight backtrack (I still think he's town, I just thought the timing was strange considering recent revelations) and what I considered a bad piece of evidence than piling on redundant reasoning. I'm just not interested in commenting on the half claim right now until the situation plays out a bit more. That said, barring a REALLY solid name claim or some massive amount of evidence on someone else, Caff is the lynch du jour.

We've debated it already...or whatever one ought to call it. I'm just stating what felt off about you D1.

[strike wolf]

To be fair, I was thinking Caff would claim Garrus if telling the truth which would be up there with everyone but Shepard for strongest claim. I really wasn't interested in piling on something that had already been mentioned by more than one person.

[Skoffin]

Doom - But I literally said Caff might be scum with fircoal. What is this tomfoolery?
Strike - I literally did not read that post before I posted my comment. I regret nothing.
Rag - What did I sidestep, you turkey?


The cult stuff is a combination of the game type and the possibilities it opens itself too, but I also think people read that we have to take out active third party and assumed the only group of third parties can be a cult group. You can have a group of third party that act more like scum. Cult don't have actions and can only recruit, so with two deaths I'm leaning towards a second scum-like group.

Also can we replace fircoal; perhaps with mandy so I have someone to argue with as i lynch them.

[Ragian]

@skoffin, I was referring to what Strike said to which you have responded.

[Minister Masket]

Id rather MM not confirm any more of his role. To keep people on their toes that he may or may not be able to shoot again.

Great kill! Bad move taking credit, though.

I thought for awhile before making that decision, and decided I would rather risk the chaos of night actions, than a potential bandwagon that Doom seemed determined to start. Also didn't want anyone else to claim credit first.

Remember, we have a confirmed Jailor and a probable Doctor out there still.
Benga, if no-one else comes to mind, I'm happy to be jailed.

I'm actually going to surprisingly agree with Doom and Vote Samlen for his point earlier:

unvote vote samlen

i don't like how you cleared dakky. Like, I agree with your reasoning but there's no point to clear players in a cult game. So either you think it isn't a cult game, or you are working hard to set up a safe recruit option. I had you as a maybe cult already on day 1, and then day 2 with the skimming. Very similar posting to pikanchion.

[dakky21]

Skittles on page 14 asked me to stop going after newbie Thor and I tried to do that till the next "newbie" post - because I thought I am possibly pushing too much, I was a newbie once also.... but... I feel Fircoal is making his strategy on scum-marining. He said on page 13 in his summary on Thor "...any real serious scum tells on him. Nothing about him as been out of the noob ordinary. "... I don't believe Fircoal is being honest. He has 6 posts since the start of the thread... (6 posts in 21 pages)... And he is not yet replaced. Something is wrong there as well, as he was posting in the No Theme mafia thread in the meantime.

I am not longer protecting the inactives, because this seems like a strategy, just like playing the newbie card from Thor.

vote Fircoal

Skittles will come after Fircoal lynch.

[Samlen]

Id rather MM not confirm any more of his role. To keep people on their toes that he may or may not be able to shoot again.

Great kill! Bad move taking credit, though.

I thought for awhile before making that decision, and decided I would rather risk the chaos of night actions, than a potential bandwagon that Doom seemed determined to start. Also didn't want anyone else to claim credit first.

Remember, we have a confirmed Jailor and a probable Doctor out there still.
Benga, if no-one else comes to mind, I'm happy to be jailed.

I'm actually going to surprisingly agree with Doom and Vote Samlen for his point earlier:

unvote vote samlen

i don't like how you cleared dakky. Like, I agree with your reasoning but there's no point to clear players in a cult game. So either you think it isn't a cult game, or you are working hard to set up a safe recruit option. I had you as a maybe cult already on day 1, and then day 2 with the skimming. Very similar posting to pikanchion.

unvote vote samlen

i don't like how you cleared dakky. Like, I agree with your reasoning but there's no point to clear players in a cult game. So either you think it isn't a cult game, or you are working hard to set up a safe recruit option. I had you as a maybe cult already on day 1, and then day 2 with the skimming. Very similar posting to pikanchion.

I literally just gave my reasoning on why i thought it might NOT be a cult game and I'd already mentioned that my day 2 'skimming' was because I did not have the time to read up on the game. I even missed a couple of turns in my cc games... And I didn't clear him, I said definitely not MAFIA since noone would push their teammate so hard. FOS for your own skimming.

Is it safe to say that you're taking credit for the day kill mm? And, if so, do you think it matters if you reveal the rest of your role?

Are you also misreading what I said and skimming over my clarification? I said I highly doubt that he is mafia, not that he is town/cleared.

[Ragian]

Or at least not from the same faction (in the case we have several). The push on Samlen is weak, I feel. Dakky seems on a roll, but I'd rather Chu was replaced than lynched out of the blue (unless pushing him can get him to participate more, of course).

Also, I take it as if you guys (and girl) are fine with me trying to check in once a day from tomorrow?

[Skittles!]

I admit that I believed Thor's newb questions for the first two days. However, I did noticed and agreed with Skoffin's assessment that the way he was wording his posts seemed really.. narrative, and contrived. It's like he tried to push it too hard, too much. Dakky was right in trialling him from Day 1 - good catch from Dakky and nice kill from MM. Please don't admit anything more of your powers/role though MM.

I am also a bit wary of Strike for his treatment of Caff just before the latter was lynched. Even tho Strike voted for Caff, by that point it was a sinking ship that it would've been dumb if scum didn't vote for him. FOS Strike.

I'm also wary of anyone who doesn't think this is a cult game. We've gone through this every day already, and the scenes even hint at it. Are people just not reading the scenes?

[DoomYoshi]

I admit that I believed Thor's newb questions for the first two days. However, I did noticed and agreed with Skoffin's assessment that the way he was wording his posts seemed really.. narrative, and contrived. It's like he tried to push it too hard, too much. Dakky was right in trialling him from Day 1 - good catch from Dakky and nice kill from MM. Please don't admit anything more of your powers/role though MM.

I am also a bit wary of Strike for his treatment of Caff just before the latter was lynched. Even tho Strike voted for Caff, by that point it was a sinking ship that it would've been dumb if scum didn't vote for him. FOS Strike.

I'm also wary of anyone who doesn't think this is a cult game. We've gone through this every day already, and the scenes even hint at it. Are people just not reading the scenes?

Samlen and Skoffin are both trying to push a "hey, maybe the evil cult ain't so bad" vibe. It isn't going to work, because our wincon is pretty clear on the topic of third party.

[Skoffin]

What are you talking about? I suggested we basically have a second team just as deadly as the mafia team - with killing actions - rather than just a cult. How is that suggesting they're not so bad? Are you deliberately being obtuse?

I'm also wary of anyone who doesn't think this is a cult game. We've gone through this every day already, and the scenes even hint at it. Are people just not reading the scenes?

I don't read scenes.

[dakky21]

..... but I'd rather Chu was replaced than lynched out of the blue (unless pushing him can get him to participate more, of course)....

As I already said, while I was against lynching inactives first 2 days, I start to think that may be their strategy. Also, as I said, Fircoal was against Caffeine lynch and "thought" that Thor is really a newbie.

I'm not really buying the case against Caff. Yes his lack of name claiming was suspicious but a tracker is something we want around and something that could give a lot of useful information if he was teling the truth. I'm suspicious of those that quickly jumped on his case. There were ways to ask for information that would have better fit it.

These two combined with the fact that he is lurking are enough for me to vote him.

[Ragian]

Humm... Could we at least have him prodded first? The two points brought up make sense, but I don't really want to just lynch blindly.

[dakky21]

Well yeah, but he was already prodded once. Where/when is the limit of how many times one must be prodded before replaced?

DDS letting his inactivity drags for so long and not prodding him again or tried to find a replacement makes me think he is "active" but silent as a part of his strategy.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Ive been inactive myself. Ill start prodding people later. Sorry. Just got home from my vacation.