Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[The1exile]

Alright, now we're getting somewhere!

The reason I say I suspect you of skimming is because I would imagine this is information which every player was informed of. Just by nature, it seems like a very important mechanic. I'm not saying what that reason is, just in case I'm wrong and not everyone knows about it.

I'm agreeing with Kwan here, that was a huge slip up by Exile. Previously he has gone after trainers (why?) and now he doesn't understand the type advantage of night work for Pokemon. This leads me to believe he definitely isn't a Pokemon, he isn't a trainer, maybe he could be another town role, but I'm willing to bet he is a scum. vote: Exile.

I seriously don't understand you and kwan. MM's post speculates we have an Eevee and Pikachu in this game for Christ's sake. I assume a Vulpix would be weak to water and ground (?) so why not claim a less common grass type or something which should have resistance? And if that's possible - and again, I'm not saying it IS DEFINITELY 100% the case, but it would explain why mandy says "suicidal or lying" - then why can't he be lying?

[Minister Masket]

Add Skittles and Kwanton on to my list.

I am only adding those who are capable of adding something without aid or show transparent understanding.

That's very convenient for you. Are you on your own list too?

So Masket is Red, needs to kill Giovanni?

Wut.
I said I was speculating in terms of who is included. Just because I think Giovanni is here doesn't mean he is. Same with Gary Oak really. Ash/Red and Jesse and James are the only dead certs surely.

Fun fact, did you know they were called that after Jesse James the Western outlaw? It's true y'know.

Alright, now we're getting somewhere!

I seriously don't understand you and kwan. MM's post speculates we have an Eevee and Pikachu in this game for Christ's sake.

Pikachu is hardly speculation. If anyone even doubted that he wouldn't be included needs to have a long hard look at themselves. I mean c'mon.

[mandalorian2298]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

[Metsfanmax]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

[Metsfanmax]

Can we get a mod statement on whether any of these people quoting details from their role PMs will be punished in any way?

Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games

While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

I do this because I'm frankly to lazy to investigate every post searching for possible quotes. Also, given how long roles were in this game, randomizing the wording in each one would have been a chore. Finally, in the olden days of NJO, many people (myself included) were obsessed with the attempting to play the Mod and not the game, so when I modded I did my best to anticipate all the ways in which I would try to exploit the game mechanics if I were a player.

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try.

Stop skimming.

I'm not skimming. This post and the OP are both incredibly confusing. The death by "natural causes" and the "suicidal" are entirely unclear as to whether he means that there will be some sort of effect in the game mechanics that causes a person to die, or whether he means that it's just bad tactics.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

Yeah, I am considering adding the exile to my list. Watching carefully.

Pretty sure you are a trainer too.

[HotShot53]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

Yeah, basically true. Why he did it is he didn't want exile getting lynched for not knowing something he was supposed to, when it was the mod's fault he didn't know. Mandy seems much more hands-on/interactive than most mods, and I've seen other mods do things similar to this. We have enough players that one cleared won't break the game.

[nagerous]

Ontop of that, assuming that trainers are cult like in their abilities, who could they recruit? Let's look at the games, anime, and whatever other pokemon media you can find, shall we? Let's see, they can't exactly capture other trainers, and the overwhelming norm is that they can't capture pokemon from other trainers. So, going off of that, it's a simple leap of logic that the trainers in this game can only recruit pokemon that aren't belonging to other trainers. Your "non-scum" list is simply a target list for the cult leaders.

That's actually a really good point. We don't know for sure that trainers are recruiters, but it would make a lot of sense. Don't put me on no lists. I don't want to have to battle for some trainer.

It's funny you should say that. As a trainer (apparently) I'm planning to catch all those who voted for me as such and force them to fight for their new trainer. Now that's dramatic irony.

Alright, let's do some maths here. (That's math if you're American, and fat).

26 players.
3 Town Trainers (Ash/Misty/Brock) OR 1 Town Trainer (Red) if game is based on Anime or Game respectively. I'm leaning more towards the latter because of how Mandy wrote the opening, and perhaps having three town trainers would be slightly OP.
3 Town Pokemon (Pikachu/Staryu/Geodude) OR just Pikachu.
1 Rival (Gary Oak) - He has to be here. There's always a rival in Pokemon, and it fits Mandy's setup page..
1 Rival Pokemon (Eevee I guess?)
2 Scum (Team Rocket)
1 Scum Pokemon (Meowth)

So if we go down the 'Game' route, that's 7 non-wild roles. I'm gonna toss Giovanni in there to make up the scum numbers which makes 8.
So around 18 Wild Pokemon up for grabs if this is right - and it might not be. This is pure speculating on my part.

So my question now is if Wing's list and this reasoning is accurate, why has he only named 5 or 6 players? Where are the other dozen?
Role power limitation, or something more suspicious? Hmm.

In regards to your game/anime commentary. As far as I know Team Rocket aren't actually in the game - apart from maybe Pokemon Yellow? The focus is on beating the Elite Four and collecting Gym badges etc. Calling it Indigo league is a reference to the anime as well, now if it was called Pokemon Red Mafia then we would be looking at the game characters rather than the anime characters.

The focus is on defeating Team Rocket for all the pro-town characters, now there may be a case of dual WCs, i.e survive, win the league but the main overall aim for all is to defeat Team Rocket who are the enemies.

I would hazard a guess that we are facing Jessie, James and their starter pokemon Koffing and Ekans and then also Meowth who isn't really an owned pokemon and likely his own entity. Now if they can also recruit/catch wild pokemon on top of that then that would make them pretty seriously overpowered but that is something we as town need to be concerned about.

That is why it is imperative we continue to look up for slip ups. Kwan made a great catch earlier but Skittles! has justifiably saved himself from his initial mistake.

Also, just because someone is mentioned in an opening scene, does not guarantee they are a playable character, many mods have used NPCs in staging scenes and there is always so much you can read into a scene with the rest often being moderator 'flair.'

The posters I find most suspicious from their actions so far are Exile, Dakky and DoomYoshi. Exile however as per above from missing his win condition, I think is worth a pass for now as that's pretty unfortunate. Also, I don't think this clears him like some of the other posters have insinuated, though it does give him a free pass for now, it just simply means his end-goal wasn't fully confirmed to him. Mandy is more careful than this.

didnt quote i paraphrased nut like i said i commited suacide hope yallnhappy least yall know moe then yah woulda had u just killed me

For some reason I believe you... I may be drunk now but my meta on you says you're telling the truth. I can be wrong but... but... but... you scream to me as a town. Or a wild pokemon. Or whatever.

I'm still with mitch and I don't intend to change the vote soon.

This is the danger of drunk posting, you can slip up if not careful. You're basically saying here that you believe him but you don't really know if true or not. He pretty much wrote out his role PM and his win condition so if you were on the side against team rocket you should have known instantly if it was similar to yours or not, rather than choosing to believe him at that particular instance.

Anarks posts contain something that he can only know as town.

I'm wondering how do YOU know it is town vs. scum?

Maybe he saw the part of his win condition that told him that the goal was to ensure that a certain group of villains do not win. Now even if there is a survivor element to the win condition too I still call this a pro-town win condition. The fact that you question this suggests to me that you do not know it is town vs scum ergo are not on the side of the town.

Final point on Dakky is the below. Now I haven't played with a lot of people in this game as it has been a good few years since my last mafia game on the site but I also find metagame commentary very useful. Like for instance when people were commenting on Spurgistan's lack of activity and declaring it questionable, I know to ignore it as Spurgistan is always inactive as f*ck and thus he had to be replaced. Same with Kwanton voting himself and Fircoal spamming + fooling around, Nark getting into a slanging match etc. this is pretty standard behaviour.

Not having played with Dakky before (apologies if I actually have years back) I found this comment pretty below interesting. Unusual behaviour not sticking himself out and expressing too many opinions. Now I know he got in his 'beef' with Tim at the beginning and rightly so as Tim fucked up. Now his focus is just on madmitch who I agree has come across as scummy in his behaviour and would potentially make a decent day 1 lynch but is this just a case of targeting the easy lynch rather than getting stuck in?

Dakky - Healthy level of skepticism he's showing, but based on previous experiences, less talking, less sticking his neck out with his opinions, less voting activity in general. Maybe it's just the size of the game, which is overwhelming I admit, but worth noting.

[kwanton]

Can we get a mod statement on whether any of these people quoting details from their role PMs will be punished in any way?

Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games

While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

I do this because I'm frankly to lazy to investigate every post searching for possible quotes. Also, given how long roles were in this game, randomizing the wording in each one would have been a chore. Finally, in the olden days of NJO, many people (myself included) were obsessed with the attempting to play the Mod and not the game, so when I modded I did my best to anticipate all the ways in which I would try to exploit the game mechanics if I were a player.

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try.

Stop skimming.

I'm not skimming. This post and the OP are both incredibly confusing. The death by "natural causes" and the "suicidal" are entirely unclear as to whether he means that there will be some sort of effect in the game mechanics that causes a person to die, or whether he means that it's just bad tactics.

Literally the second thing in the first post of this thread says that Mandy will neither modkill or care about quoting roles. How is that not skimming? The rules post is the most important post of non standard mafia games.

[nagerous]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

Mets you seem annoyed. If you felt that Mandy had slipped up and actually revealed Exile as a town member from this declaration wouldn't you be thanking the moderator for slipping up and accidentally revealing this information to us? I would be, playing the moderator as well as the game and trying to think how the moderator thinks is or looking for nuggets of information in his post is a reasonable tactic no?

[Metsfanmax]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

Yeah, basically true. Why he did it is he didn't want exile getting lynched for not knowing something he was supposed to, when it was the mod's fault he didn't know. Mandy seems much more hands-on/interactive than most mods, and I've seen other mods do things similar to this. We have enough players that one cleared won't break the game.

I don't see how the wincon would affect the discussion about the type advantage that kwanton brought up.

Literally the second thing in the first post of this thread says that Mandy will neither modkill or care about quoting roles. How is that not skimming? The rules post is the most important post of non standard mafia games.

And literally the third thing in the first post of this thread says that "all roles will face quick and ignoble death (not Mod-Kill, but “natural” causes )." Since I even used the phrase "natural causes" in my post, it should have been obvious what I was referring to, hence you're the one who's skimming.

[kwanton]

The reason I was talking about with exile was not necessarily in the win condition but more in the mechanics section

[Metsfanmax]

An important (and somwhat embaressing ) update:

Due to an unfortunate Copy/Paste fail, The1exile has only just received his Win Condition.

Exile, thank you for being cool about it. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't call you a goofball for playing for two weeks without know what your objective. (EDIT: is)

If any of you hasn't received his/her WC (FOR. REAL.)...errr, PM me about it.

Why the f*ck would you post something like this? It basically confirms that The1exile is not mafia.

Mets you seem annoyed. If you felt that Mandy had slipped up and actually revealed Exile as a town member from this declaration wouldn't you be thanking the moderator for slipping up and accidentally revealing this information to us? I would be, playing the moderator as well as the game and trying to think how the moderator thinks is or looking for nuggets of information in his post is a reasonable tactic no?

No. I'm not going to thank the moderator for accidentally making town's life easier. I came to play the players, not the mod.

[kwanton]

And this is a point we've discussed at length. Many of us have agreed that the quick death will be due to how type advantages work. I don't think he can be any clearer than "will neither mod kill nor care". The natural causes bit is clearly flavor text.

[Metsfanmax]

And this is a point we've discussed at length. Many of us have agreed that the quick death will be due to how type advantages work. I don't think he can be any clearer than "will neither mod kill nor care". The natural causes bit is clearly flavor text.

Yeah, and maybe you're right. Probably you're right. Is it so wrong of me to want absolute clarity on this point?

[TimWoodbury]

okay mes you wasnt skimming so then you should already know mandy said he was allowing it

Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games

While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try.

unvote vote metsfan

[Metsfanmax]

okay mes you wasnt skimming so then you should already know mandy said he was allowing it

Please do not quote role PMs or win conditions even in paraphrasing format.

It is a massive no-no and can get you blacklisted from future games

While you are absolutely right about role quoting being usually being against Mafia etiquette, I explicitly allow it in the rules (just as I have in NJO).

To summerize: I made sure that quoting posts is a) useless in terms of it being a winning strategy and b) suicidal if it reveals your role. Anyone who want's to test the quality of my work is welcome to try.

unvote vote metsfan

Lol at accusing me of skimming while missing that Serbia already quoted this same post at me.

[TimWoodbury]

i may have missed that he already quoted it for you so whats so hard to understand about mandy allowing it?

[Metsfanmax]

i may have missed that he already quoted it for you so whats so hard to understand about mandy allowing it?

Nothing's hard to understand. I just want mandy to come out and explicitly say that there are absolutely no non-player effects that intervene when someone role claims. What's so hard to understand about me asking for that?

[BuJaber]

I think we can all agree that this is one exciting day 1. It feels like a full game all by itself.

Back to business:

Nag - good thoughts about dakky. Doesn't clear you of suspicions, but yes dakky is a very reasonable target. There are both meta clues and game related reasons why that is. He's more scared than usual and he's asking questions no townie should need to ask.

Last game I got frustrated with mitch's posts I voted him and ended up being wrong. I'd hate for it to happen again, but he's been jumping around with the votes, contradicting himself, asking too many questions, and just acting strangely. I know he tends to attract attention in all games, but it looks like we won't be able to ignore this much longer. Also dakky seems to think he's town; from what I've seen from these two, dakky's scumradar should be picking up major signals from mitch. I think they could be scum buddies this time.

Just mentioning them because I would be willing to change my vote to them if need be. Keeping my vote as is for now. TWO's unvote and change in tone in his recent posts aren't convincing by themselves.. seems like an attempt by scum to reduce the heat on himself.

I am eagerly awaiting Exile's next post(s) because Mandy just made him the star of the show.

[nagerous]

I think we can all agree that this is one exciting day 1. It feels like a full game all by itself.

Back to business:

Nag - good thoughts about dakky. Doesn't clear you of suspicions, but yes dakky is a very reasonable target. There are both meta clues and game related reasons why that is. He's more scared than usual and he's asking questions no townie should need to ask.

Last game I got frustrated with mitch's posts I voted him and ended up being wrong. I'd hate for it to happen again, but he's been jumping around with the votes, contradicting himself, asking too many questions, and just acting strangely. I know he tends to attract attention in all games, but it looks like we won't be able to ignore this much longer. Also dakky seems to think he's town; from what I've seen from these two, dakky's scumradar should be picking up major signals from mitch. I think they could be scum buddies this time.

Just mentioning them because I would be willing to change my vote to them if need be. Keeping my vote as is for now. TWO's unvote and change in tone in his recent posts aren't convincing by themselves.. seems like an attempt by scum to reduce the heat on himself.

I am eagerly awaiting Exile's next post(s) because Mandy just made him the star of the show.

Thanks though I will have to call you out on skimming slightly in regards to Dakky, my final point though more of a side point to the main crux of my case was that actually for all intents and purposes is focused purely on the case against madmitch and set on keeping his vote on him when perhaps this was a case of just targeting the easy lynch. He hasn't defended and suggested madmitch is town at all, it is the opposite.

[aage]

I don't like defending Wing, but...

Alright, let's do some maths here. (That's math if you're American, and fat).

26 players.
3 Town Trainers (Ash/Misty/Brock) OR 1 Town Trainer (Red) if game is based on Anime or Game respectively. I'm leaning more towards the latter because of how Mandy wrote the opening, and perhaps having three town trainers would be slightly OP.
3 Town Pokemon (Pikachu/Staryu/Geodude) OR just Pikachu.
1 Rival (Gary Oak) - He has to be here. There's always a rival in Pokemon, and it fits Mandy's setup page..
1 Rival Pokemon (Eevee I guess?)
2 Scum (Team Rocket)
1 Scum Pokemon (Meowth)

So if we go down the 'Game' route, that's 7 non-wild roles. I'm gonna toss Giovanni in there to make up the scum numbers which makes 8.
So around 18 Wild Pokemon up for grabs if this is right - and it might not be. This is pure speculating on my part.

So my question now is if Wing's list and this reasoning is accurate, why has he only named 5 or 6 players? Where are the other dozen?
Role power limitation, or something more suspicious? Hmm.

It has already been established that Team Rocket is the antagonist in this game, right? There is no point in picking apart the setup at all with what limited claims we have, especially not to make a weak argument like this. You're asking him to identify all the other wild pokémon, but contrary to popular belief Wing is in fact not clairvoyant.

Add Skittles and Kwanton on to my list.

I am only adding those who are capable of adding something without aid or show transparent understanding.

That's very convenient for you. Are you on your own list too?

Presumably? He's making a list of non-scum, of course he would put himself on it. Weird question.

You're laying into him for the wrong reasons imo. FoS.


BuJ, like Nag said you're wrong about Dakky and Mitch.

Mets get your knickers out of a twist, Mandy was clear about it and nobody's getting modkilled.


Can't wait for more people to say they didn't get their wincon either.

[Skittles!]

Add Skittles and Kwanton on to my list.

I am only adding those who are capable of adding something without aid or show transparent understanding.

This game is supposed to be played by isolated players. I object.

@Legionairre. Dont try and shrink my ego, whether I am helpful or not, I have become central to this game.

And throw your safety post in the bin. I wont be unhappy if you are nightkilled.

Are you seriously just going to ignore all my points about you so you can just update your damn list? You're making a list of wild pokemon, but why? And how are you 100% sure that Doom and BuJ are town as well? You all have ignored what I've said and people have conveniently let it slide.

Aage you have also been a defender of Wing for a few posts now, why? He hasn't actually revealed anything about himself of substance

[aage]

Aage you have also been a defender of Wing for a few posts now, why? He hasn't actually revealed anything about himself of substance

I didn't initially read Wing as town specifically, but several people have been applying bad logic to throw suspicion at him. That's often a sign of scum attacking town. I don't like his playstyle and I don't like that he's ignoring a lot of stuff, and I think the interaction between him and you+legion is great, but these poorly construed arguments force me to acknowledge him as probable town. Or he's Santa, which explains why he's making a list.

I'd post on other things if there was anything I thought worthwhile to comment on. Most of the discussion is pretty irrelevant imo. I'm planning to reread the thread to try and identify Wing's method, since (as he said) he put himself at the centre of the game right now.

[madmitch]

At first I thought Tim was on Team Rocket because of his conversation with Dakky , but now I know that is untrue ,I think Dakky and maybe Doom are. vote Dakky