Warned betiko and fairman - Manipulating Monthly Scoreboard [ka]

[Dukasaur]

duke: you fastposted me but answer this simple question.

1 game = gross abuse?
100 games = gross abuse?

there is a line somewhere right? My standard being 10 (again, winning 7/10 games against a worthy opponent is not the normal standard and i had an over the average luck in those games)

I don't know. There's different answers to that.

A strict moralist would say "no". Stealing a pencil is morally no different than stealing a million dollars. Cheating is cheating, whether you're in for a penny or in for a pound, and so on and so forth.

Myself, I'm not a strict moralist. I know we're all fallible human beings, and I know that sometimes temptation strikes and good people do bad things. I think I'm a good person, but God knows I've done a long list of bad things at one time or another.

I think you did cheat, strictly speaking. I do NOT think that makes you a monster or a criminal or anything like that. The temptation was too close, too available. You saw the sweet fruit of reaching the top of the heap and you reached out and grabbed it, probably without giving any attention to the consequences. If you were intending to cheat, you would have made an effort to hide it, but you didn't. It was just an impulse on the spur of the moment, and I think a great many people who were close to the top would have done the same thing. Cheating? Yes. Horrible sociopathic evil? No.

So I don't think anyone should blow this out of proportion. If you are let off the hook, I won't lose any sleep over it. If they give you a warning and disqualify the medal, as they should, then I hope you don't lose any sleep over it, and I hope you don't carry through on your threat to leave the site. Anybody who's played any sport has at some point given in to the temptation to trip an opponent, even though in almost every sport that's against the rules. You know it's wrong, but it seems like the right thing to do at the time. You get tossed out of the game, you drink a few beers, the next day you come back, and most people don't even remember.

[betiko]

duke: you fastposted me but answer this simple question.

1 game = gross abuse?
100 games = gross abuse?

there is a line somewhere right? My standard being 10 (again, winning 7/10 games against a worthy opponent is not the normal standard and i had an over the average luck in those games)

I don't know. There's different answers to that.

A strict moralist would say "no". Stealing a pencil is morally no different than stealing a million dollars. Cheating is cheating, whether you're in for a penny or in for a pound, and so on and so forth.

Myself, I'm not a strict moralist. I know we're all fallible human beings, and I know that sometimes temptation strikes and good people do bad things. I think I'm a good person, but God knows I've done a long list of bad things at one time or another.

I think you did cheat, strictly speaking. I do NOT think that makes you a monster or a criminal or anything like that. The temptation was too close, too available. You saw the sweet fruit of reaching the top of the heap and you reached out and grabbed it, probably without giving any attention to the consequences. If you were intending to cheat, you would have made an effort to hide it, but you didn't. It was just an impulse on the spur of the moment, and I think a great many people who were close to the top would have done the same thing. Cheating? Yes. Horrible sociopathic evil? No.

So I don't think anyone should blow this out of proportion. If you are let off the hook, I won't lose any sleep over it. If they give you a warning and disqualify the medal, as they should, then I hope you don't lose any sleep over it, and I hope you don't carry through on your threat to leave the site. Anybody who's played any sport has at some point given in to the temptation to trip an opponent, even though in almost every sport that's against the rules. You know it's wrong, but it seems like the right thing to do at the time. You get tossed out of the game, you drink a few beers, the next day you come back, and most people don't even remember.

the thing here duke; is that unlike what you are implying: I did not cheat. I don't feel like I did anything wrong, and if I had to do it again, I would do it again. I am paying this site to play all game modes and all the games i want against who I want. I have played honnest games against many people; including soma against a friend who did everything to beat me; I did everything to beat him, he played all his turns fast, I did play my turns fast till the point where some were not looking good and played them with 12h left or so. If this is cheating, then a lot of cases are going to accumulate in here.
comparing to "stealing a pencil" proves you didn't look at this straight. This isn't even stealing a pencil. I think I've already asked you sometimes if we could finish fast some of our games, because i was playing some monthly challenges and I wanted to know if our games would result in wins or losses. You didn't want to play fast as you don't play fast on normal basis. That was fine. Do you feel like what I did was wrong... to ask you to play fast? and to be ok if you said no? Would it be cheating if I join 10 games against you? I don't think so.

You comparing this with the crown case proves you don't know what you're talking about in terms what was actually going on with the crown... 300 games where people were sitting on one territory.... me here.... games that were finished on the smallest amount of round both players could, fair and square all the way, but just timing out within the 24h i have to play turns whenever I felt the need.

[owenshooter]

duke: you fastposted me but answer this simple question.

1 game = gross abuse?
100 games = gross abuse?

there is a line somewhere right? My standard being 10 (again, winning 7/10 games against a worthy opponent is not the normal standard and i had an over the average luck in those games)

I don't know. There's different answers to that.

A strict moralist would say "no". Stealing a pencil is morally no different than stealing a million dollars. Cheating is cheating, whether you're in for a penny or in for a pound, and so on and so forth.

Myself, I'm not a strict moralist. I know we're all fallible human beings, and I know that sometimes temptation strikes and good people do bad things. I think I'm a good person, but God knows I've done a long list of bad things at one time or another.

I think you did cheat, strictly speaking. I do NOT think that makes you a monster or a criminal or anything like that. The temptation was too close, too available. You saw the sweet fruit of reaching the top of the heap and you reached out and grabbed it, probably without giving any attention to the consequences. If you were intending to cheat, you would have made an effort to hide it, but you didn't. It was just an impulse on the spur of the moment, and I think a great many people who were close to the top would have done the same thing. Cheating? Yes. Horrible sociopathic evil? No.

So I don't think anyone should blow this out of proportion. If you are let off the hook, I won't lose any sleep over it. If they give you a warning and disqualify the medal, as they should, then I hope you don't lose any sleep over it, and I hope you don't carry through on your threat to leave the site. Anybody who's played any sport has at some point given in to the temptation to trip an opponent, even though in almost every sport that's against the rules. You know it's wrong, but it seems like the right thing to do at the time. You get tossed out of the game, you drink a few beers, the next day you come back, and most people don't even remember.

the thing here duke; is that unlike what you are implying: I did not cheat. I don't feel like I did anything wrong, and if I had to do it again, I would do it again. I am paying this site to play all game modes and all the games i want against who I want. I have played honnest games against many people; including soma against a friend who did everything to beat me; I did everything to beat him, he played all his turns fast, I did play my turns fast till the point where some were not looking good and played them with 12h left or so. If this is cheating, then a lot of cases are going to accumulate in here.
comparing to "stealing a pencil" proves you didn't look at this straight. This isn't even stealing a pencil. I think I've already asked you sometimes if we could finish fast some of our games, because i was playing some monthly challenges and I wanted to know if our games would result in wins or losses. You didn't want to play fast as you don't play fast on normal basis. That was fine. Do you feel like what I did was wrong... to ask you to play fast? and to be ok if you said no? Would it be cheating if I join 10 games against you? I don't think so.

You comparing this with the crown case proves you don't know what you're talking about in terms what was actually going on with the crown... 300 games where people were sitting on one territory.... me here.... games that were finished on the smallest amount of round both players could, fair and square all the way, but just timing out within the 24h i have to play turns whenever I felt the need.

there is no need to defend yourself... Big D posted cases that laid out the precedent, which shows there is no other option other than to clear you. the only thing you need to worry about now is the pending litigation as the OP has stated it is his right "under the law" to do whatever it is he is doing...

So I have legal right to question his way of taking "extra" points for the medal

that right there shows how unstable this user is. stop defending yourself, you have done nothing wrong, the black jesus has cleared you and so has Big Don D...-Bj

[Donelladan]

there is no need to defend yourself... Big D posted cases that laid out the precedent, which shows there is no other option other than to clear you. the only thing you need to worry about now is the pending litigation as the OP has stated it is his right "under the law" to do whatever it is he is doing...

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So I have legal right to question his way of taking "extra" points for the medal

that right there shows how unstable this user is. stop defending yourself, you have done nothing wrong, the black jesus has cleared you and so has Big Don D...-Bj

Really not nice from you here owen. Now I have to agree with you and say that you are right.

[Dukasaur]

comparing to "stealing a pencil" proves you didn't look at this straight. This isn't even stealing a pencil. I think I've already asked you sometimes if we could finish fast some of our games, because i was playing some monthly challenges and I wanted to know if our games would result in wins or losses. You didn't want to play fast as you don't play fast on normal basis. That was fine. Do you feel like what I did was wrong... to ask you to play fast? and to be ok if you said no? Would it be cheating if I join 10 games against you? I don't think so.

No, nothing wrong with asking someone to play fast or slow, if it isn't about manipulating the scoreboard. IP posted the example earlier about people asking someone to speed up or slow down because of an impending vacation. Nothing wrong with that. I've asked people to play slower many times because I couldn't deal with taking all my turns in a day and I just needed to have fewer turns to take. Northing wrong with that. Your example above of wanting to wrap up games because you need to know if you need to join more before the monthly challenge closes. Nothing wrong with that.

The one and only thing that makes it against the rules is that you were motivated by a desire to control the outcome of the scoreboard. That is against the rules. None of the other examples are.

[Donelladan]

The one and only thing that makes it against the rules is that you were motivated by a desire to control the outcome of the scoreboard. That is against the rules. None of the other examples are.

Not true. Check the quotes from the C&A mods I posted

[Chewie1]

Wow just wow at this whole thread.


Some people forget that its a game that we play to relax right????

[Serbia]

The one and only thing that makes it against the rules is that you were motivated by a desire to control the outcome of the scoreboard. That is against the rules. None of the other examples are.

Not true. Check the quotes from the C&A mods I posted

Every time you intentionally play faster in games you are winning, while delaying games you are losing, you're manipulating the scoreboard. I've done it. I'll bet that the majority of people in this thread have done it, if not every single one of us. There has to be a scale. "Abuse" indicates excessive. If you send your child to bed without dinner because he refuses to eat what's on his plate, and then you feed in breakfast in the morning, have you abused him? If you have the ability to feed your child, but decide not to for an entire week as a punishment, is that abusive? I would say the former is not, while the latter most definitely is.

I don't think it's abusive to ask random players to play more slowly. It usually didn't work, anyway! And betiko started 10 games, on the last day, against a player who he knows will play quickly... is that really abusive, or simply managing his games to maximize his points?

Honestly, and I've said this since the monthly medals came out, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. People are going to try to win medals by any means they can. People were not throwing games to betiko; he was playing legitimate games against people, but trying to stack his wins and avoid losses. People have been doing THAT on this site forever.

[DoomYoshi]

Wow just wow at this whole thread.


Some people forget that its a game that we play to relax right????

Actually I play when I overdose on roids.

[josko.ri]

Evidence that fairman colluded with betiko please ? Didn't see any.

Here is the obvious evidence:

fairman admits that they were in agreement in wall discussion with me. Here is what he wrote on my wall on 29 November:

Bet (betiko) is doing the same as many players, starting many games in the last days of the month and accelerate the wins.
Nothing special here

That wall post proves that fairman is in agreement with betiko about their doings and that he entered these 10 games fully aware that games will be used for betiko's artifical increase of score within November.

From the wall post it is obvious that fairman is fully aware that betiko's intentions with games with him are to manipulate the monthly scoreboard. It is a proof they are in collision that fairman's quick points help betiko to earn the monthly medal. If they are just 'innocently' playing 10 games for fun, how would then fairman know what are betiko's intentions? But fairman very well knew that betiko's intentions were to grab quick points from him in these 10 games in order to manipulate the monthly scoreboard, as can be seen by his wall post.

But, Everybody Loves Betty, so we'll all do backflips and contortionist stunts to find some twisted rationalization that makes him innocent....

I agree that betiko and fairman are nice guys on this site and valuable members. Therefore, I also do not expect harsh punishment but only to take out from him the medal which he did not deserve but which he earned by manipulating the points together with fairman and trying to manipulate points in other 2 cases when he asked opponents to not play their turn before December.

[Metsfanmax]

Well, this is the problem. Everybody thinks betiko's a nice guy and wants to see him exonerated.

Not everybody. I like betiko but in this case it seems to me he is guilty as accused of collusion.

[KraphtOne]

Not the first to cheat and get this medal... And won't be the last...

Just unlucky that someone took the time to point it out...

Unlucky, because nobody gives a shit to point stuff out anymore... because this place is nothing but nonsense now...

[Donelladan]

Well, this is the problem. Everybody thinks betiko's a nice guy and wants to see him exonerated.

Not everybody. I like betiko but in this case it seems to me he is guilty as accused of collusion.

Which isn't against the site rule, as shown by josko's case, that I largely quote, maybe my post are too long and nobody read them.

Not the first to cheat and get this medal... And won't be the last...

Just unlucky that someone took the time to point it out...

Unlucky, because nobody gives a shit to point stuff out anymore... because this place is nothing but nonsense now...

Well, not unlucky, he didn't cheat, since he did nothing against the site rule..

josko wrote:
fairman admits that they were in agreement in wall discussion with me. Here is what he wrote on my wall on 29 November:

fairman wrote:
Bet (betiko) is doing the same as many players, starting many games in the last days of the month and accelerate the wins.
Nothing special here


That wall post proves that fairman is in agreement with betiko about their doings and that he entered these 10 games fully aware that games will be used for betiko's artifical increase of score within November.

This does not show that fairman played faster or slower to help betiko. Definitely not sorry.
It only shows that you went to fairman's wall, told him betiko was trying to get the medal using him. And fairman replied you so what. And he is right.
So what ? Not against the rules.

But anyway. This has alreay been judged in the past, and the verdict is pretty clear.
Even if fairman played his game faster to help betiko getting the medal, as long as fairman didn't throw the games away, there is no case !
You guys look like you are making moral / ethical judgement on the way the medal was won. What you think doesn't matter, what matter are the rules.

Was there any collusion between the players on how the game should end?
Has josko.ri intentionally missed any turns or held any games hostage or delayed any games that should have ended already?
If not, then I don't see how this is similar to the other past case

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The monthly scoreboard is intended to give recognition to those who have made achievements and have been active in the games on a monthly basis. Unfortunately, this may have also resulted in people trying to find ways on how quicken or delay ending games. If you have 24 hours to take your turn and you do make use of that 24 hour time frame, that will not be be cheating. There is no obligation for players to take their turns as fast as they can either. If it's a casual game, then you can take your turns when you are most comfortable. We do have the rules to guide us but there are grey areas that is stuck in neither being wrong or right.

[Kaskavel]

Honestly, and I've said this since the monthly medals came out, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET. People are going to try to win medals by any means they can.

And...somewhere in the middle of the third page, someone speaks the obvious truth.
Those most-improved medals are hurting the site and they are the guilty ones for this case and many more. They should never have been created and they have to go away. There are so many extra scoreboards that could be created...the escalator one, the freestyle one, the 1 vs 1 one etc. But we insist on something that continiously gets manipulated and then try to figure out where "it gets too gross" by comparing what various players have done in the past.
By the way Betiko, I understand your anger, but you know Josko did not manipulate the turn of his games to reach conqueror, He did that after deciding to drop down, just to see how high he might go in the score before dropping. Hurting his playing skill reputation and conqueror title is not fair

[betiko]

I totally agree with kaskavel on this; and I ve been complaining a lot on this site when the monthly scoreboards were created.. mostly for the most improved that pushes people to drop their score drastically if they want to go for it.
The powerscore scoreboard pushes people to strategically time their wins/losses.

I am not going to bother going through your games kaskavel, but what is certain is that you are giving up fun by playing just one map; the one that minimizes the most dice effects, hive. If only playing one map on your own settings over and over is the referrnce, well I don t really agree as this is just obsessive and fun killer.

[Kaskavel]

That is off topic, but that is not what I do all the time. I move from conqueror to colonel or major again and again. This is the third time I push myself to the top with hive. Every time, I stay there a little, then go down again. Yes, this procudure is very boring, indeed

[josko.ri]

The powerscore scoreboard pushes people to strategically time their wins/losses.

This is totally untrue and I will post again my example which proves it:

Also, I have read some some comments that EVERYONE is doing this.

This is utterly untrue and I will give you two examples. Last two months, in October and September 2016, I finished on Monthly scoreboard 11th and 14th respectively with around 100 monthly points away from 10th place. When I was close to the line of 10th place, I tried to cross the line by playing speed games, which I can either win or lose BUT within the same month. One of these games was accidentally against Donelladan. You can check these games are Game 16960885 2016-10-31 23:20:58 - jtctaker eliminated josko.ri from the game and Game 16960740 2016-10-31 23:44:04 - josko.ri was kicked out for missing too many turns. People are attacking me here that I (or "everyone") use the same methods when we are going for monthly Leader medal however that is obviously untrue based by my presented evidence from last two months.

So I have right to question his way of taking "extra" points for the medal because 2 months in a row I have been left without a monthly medal because I did not use this cheap way of getting it but have used regular way in which I get the medal if I win enough speed games but lose the medal if I lose. In presented cases, I have both time lost and accepted these losses.

So, two months in a row I tried to win the same medal but barely failed. Should I use the same strategy like you, I could EASILY get the medal. However, I fought with honor (by playing speed games when I needed just several more wins) for the medal and for me it is not end of the world that I finally lost the medal because I lost decisive key games. That is an example proving that not everybody is doing the same like you and Serbia are trying to point out, but there are some of us who are trying to get the medal with honorable methods. Sometimes win the medal, sometimes lose the medal, but never lose honor and respect to the site and to opponents while doing so.

[owenshooter]

So, two months in a row I tried to win the same medal but barely failed. Should I use the same strategy like you, I could EASILY get the medal. However, I fought with honor (by playing speed games when I needed just several more wins) for the medal and for me it is not end of the world that I finally lost the medal because I lost decisive key games. That is an example proving that not everybody is doing the same like you and Serbia is trying to point out, but there are some of us who are trying to get the medal with honorable methods. Sometimes win the medal, sometimes lose the medal, but never lose honor and respect to the site and to opponents while doing so.

let's not go conceding until you have exhausted all legal methods and appeals in the court system that you are bringing this lawsuit to... afterall, it is your LEGAL right... *cough*... and in the above statement, you yourself just admitted to manipulation in games in an effort to win the medal... this is absolutely hilarious... the black jesus is literally cracking up...-Bj

[betiko]

The powerscore scoreboard pushes people to strategically time their wins/losses.

This is totally untrue and I will post again my example which proves it:

Also, I have read some some comments that EVERYONE is doing this.

This is utterly untrue and I will give you two examples. Last two months, in October and September 2016, I finished on Monthly scoreboard 11th and 14th respectively with around 100 monthly points away from 10th place. When I was close to the line of 10th place, I tried to cross the line by playing speed games, which I can either win or lose BUT within the same month. One of these games was accidentally against Donelladan. You can check these games are Game 16960885 2016-10-31 23:20:58 - jtctaker eliminated josko.ri from the game and Game 16960740 2016-10-31 23:44:04 - josko.ri was kicked out for missing too many turns. People are attacking me here that I (or "everyone") use the same methods when we are going for monthly Leader medal however that is obviously untrue based by my presented evidence from last two months.

So I have right to question his way of taking "extra" points for the medal because 2 months in a row I have been left without a monthly medal because I did not use this cheap way of getting it but have used regular way in which I get the medal if I win enough speed games but lose the medal if I lose. In presented cases, I have both time lost and accepted these losses.

So, two months in a row I tried to win the same medal but barely failed. Should I use the same strategy like you, I could EASILY get the medal. However, I fought with honor (by playing speed games when I needed just several more wins) for the medal and for me it is not end of the world that I finally lost the medal because I lost decisive key games. That is an example proving that not everybody is doing the same like you and Serbia is trying to point out, but there are some of us who are trying to get the medal with honorable methods. Sometimes win the medal, sometimes lose the medal, but never lose honor and respect to the site and to opponents while doing so.

as i tried to explain several times before... maybe you are taking this dice game a bit too seriously and you expect people to have the same ethic rules as yourself regarding unwritten rules.
You also like to see things your way: maybe you played speed games: but only games that you created on your own settings that minimize your chances of losing. I think you have no honour by doing that; as what I do is only joining any game on any setting against any rank when I play speed games. I take huge point risks by doing that: and if you look at the games I've played to finish the month, I have played a very large amount of speed games like that and I have Improved my score even though I could lose 45pts and win 9pts against certain opponents on luck based settings. That's like deliberately betting 2/1 on a 5/1 for fun.
I personally judge my risk taking much more honourable than your method; but the difference between you and me is that I don't start a thread to judge.
I have played over 150 games in november, with a very large panel of game types, opponents and risk taking even thought I had planned mid october to go for a monthly scoreboard in november. Because yes.. it takes planification. I only set myself the goal to take bronze, as the first time I tried the monthly leaderboard I got silver... So I had to work for it; but I also had to limit myself and not to do the best I could, just good enough for bronze

[mrswdk]

Considering that josko and betiko both pay to play the games they do, this case could actually constitute financial fraud. The best thing for CC to do to avoid prejudicing a criminal trial is to immediately lock this thread and bury it.

My advice usually comes with a price tag but I'll waive my day rate in this case, because it's a cause I care about (CC).

[josko.ri]

maybe you played speed games: but only games that you created on your own settings that minimize your chances of losing.

At first, your statement is lie because I also joined other players' speed games. Check for example Game 16960885 2016-10-31 23:20:58 - jtctaker eliminated josko.ri from the game which I have played on Luxembourg map as player 2 in the last hour of October and where I lost monthly medal race because I lost the match. Luxembourg 1v1 trench doesnt sound as a map where I dominate, does it?

At second, I have right to play settings where I am the best, don't I?

Why didn't you play speed games with settings you are the best, but instead of that made collision with fairman to earn 135 free points?
Because you wanted that you will get the medal with 100% security in success and if you played speed games there is never 100% that you will win.

Why is your method 100% of success? Because you just make enough games vs fairman how much you need to cross 10th place on scoreboard. In your case, it was 10 games but if anyhow you needed additional 5 or 10 then you would make it.

For example, versus fairman you did not start all 10 at once. You first started 5 and when you saw that you will win only 3 of those 5 (which was not enough that you cross the line of 10th place) then you started another 5 one day after you started the first batch of 5 games. Then, these 10 games was enough for you to cross the 10th place so you did not need to start another 5, but if another 5 (or more) were needed, I am sure you would send them.

[betiko]

maybe you played speed games: but only games that you created on your own settings that minimize your chances of losing.

At first, your statement is lie because I also joined other players' speed games. Check for example Game 16960885 2016-10-31 23:20:58 - jtctaker eliminated josko.ri from the game which I have played on Luxembourg map as player 2 in the last hour of October and where I lost monthly medal race because I lost the match. Luxembourg 1v1 trench doesnt sound as a map where I dominate, does it?

At second, I have right to play settings where I am the best, don't I?

Why didn't you play speed games with settings you are the best, but instead of that made collision with fairman to earn 135 free points?
Because you wanted that you will get the medal with 100% security in success and if you played speed games there is never 100% that you will win.

Why is your method 100% of success? Because you just make enough games vs fairman how much you need to cross 10th place on scoreboard. In your case, it was 10 games but if anyhow you needed additional 5 or 10 then you would make it.

For example, versus fairman you did not start all 10 at once. You first started 5 and when you saw that you will win only 3 of those 5 (which was not enough that you cross the line of 10th place) then you started another 5 one day after you started the first batch of 5 games. Then, these 10 games was enough for you to cross the 10th place so you did not need to start another 5, but if another 5 (or more) were needed, I am sure you would send them.

first of all:
I don't give you the right to create and play that many games on maps and settings you are really good at . I think I have legal rights to build a case on you there: because this is clearly cheating, and shows that you have no honour.

Secondly:
I didn't know that playing games with an opponent doing all he can to beat you was a way to earn free points. I didn't know either that by starting games against fairman that would guarantee an amount of wins or points. Please go ahead and face fairman on 10 games/random map and check for yourself. I'd really like to see what would be your result!

Thirdly:
I created games to invite fairman, and if you are aware about it, you can only create them 5 by 5. I created them within a few minutes difference and before even starting one and even checking what maps came out or how many games I got to start only because the site doesn't allow you to create 10. At no point could I calculate the amount of points; translate them into powerscore points; check all my opponents's games to see how much powerscore increase they'd get in those last 2 days and conclude an amount of games I had to play against fairman in result. You are highly paranoid. I wouldn't be surprised if that's something you'd do... but I guarantee that I don't care enough and I'm way too lazy to make thse calculations.
I started 10 games against fairman as I knew he was homesick early this week and on CC, as I wanted to have some fun games and banter with a friend: and yes, also because I knew those games would go quick. And I drew the line at 10 games, as I thought that more than 10 would be abusive. I have joined a lot of games (go check the numbers josko, I won't bother doing it... but it was a lot more than 10) against random players, including speed games AFTER starting my games against fairman to get to the top 10. Had I relied on what you are implying, I wouldn't have done that, don't you think?

PS: have I already mentionned that I feel sorry for you regarding this obsession you've had with me during this whole week? Have you started this little introspection I suggested? Seriously, go see a psychiatrist. You really have compulsory obsessions with CC in a very unheathy way. It makes all of us CC obsessed people think our own obsession isn't that bad. Don't.

[fairman]

I am accused of playing my turns too fast? I also played fast in the 2 games against you josko (games that you were winning) and you didn't complained about it.

Do you remember your gold monthly leader medal against maroshka?
You wrote on my wall, ask me to play against you. I decline as I knew and appreciated maroshka. I could have just accept and tried to help maroshka.

The answer you made to me when I offer you a strategy for your bot medal seems to really define yourself.
You answered that you don't want a loop or a cheap tactic ... You wanted to do it the right way!
You had no idea of what I was talking about, but you already had judge it.

In my opinion that's the problem. You think that only your way is the right way. And the other are just wrong.

My only and last word in this poor thread

[mrswdk]

I am accused of playing my turns too fast?

They give you 24 hours for a reason, dude.