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Peteee wrote:Creative Component: Was it worth it? Resistance activity in Czechoslovakia increased after the assassination, but still had a relatively small impact on the war. Were all the sacrifices worth it, or should the Government-in-Exile have let sleeping dogs lie?
I anything in the futility of war truly "worth it" ? There are many examples through out history of battles/incidents/raids that at the time did not seem to have much effect but with hindsight and review take on greater significance. The Spartan sacrifice at Thermopylae paved the way for the eventual Greek victory. The Dambusters raid though costly in lives and limited impact distracted the German war effort for a number of months. Oskar Schindler's rescue of Polish Jews although comparatively small is significant in the number of their descendants and his memory.
To me what comes through in this assassination and the examples that I have given is that they crucially gave people Hope. In their darkest hours they were able to believe that someone was thinking about them when all else seemed forlorn. Yes, the sacrifices and the prices paid were high for such a small action but the pebbles were put into motion for the avalanche that became the increased resistance movement.
Who knows what further atrocities Heydrich may have committed, who knows what more the Nazi regime may have done if it hadn't been distracted by it's Czech "problem", for all its "small" impact it may well have helped shorten the war.
Ultimately you ask was it worth it - I respond by quoting you Dukasaur "The church where the seven died is a shrine. When I last visited there, I saw many cards and flowers left by English soldiers -- Gabčík, Kubiš, the other five are remembered in Britain as well as at home."
I say any action that is remembered and the memory respected was worth it.
morleyjoe wrote:Wow Peteee - how do I top that? Very impressive, so I'm not sure how I can. But you are the only one to provide a creative component at every stage, so I better make a showing of this...
A key word from Peteee in all of this could simply be hindsight. As defined, it is the recognition of the realities, possibilities, or requirements of a situation, event, decision etc., after its occurrence. Hindsight has taught us many things, especially when it comes to war. For example, many believe that World War I was really a pointless bloodbath, while World War II saw nations trying to survive and fight against an evil tyrannt.
But even with this knowledge, how can we really judge if sacrifices were worth it, in seeing things from only our personal perspective? We can read all about it in history books, many of which would have been written by those on one side or the other, as well as those who have no up close and personal experiences regarding the subject of which they write. Having read these accounts, we can often decide what our own opinions would be, but they really don't have true meaning or context.
I honestly believe there is no way one can determine the worthiness of a sacrifice of any kind unless they have had a direct personal connection with the chain of events as they unfolded. And even then, you would likely get so many different answers depending upon from where and by who the events are witnessed. From the boy who's father never comes home, the mother who has lost her family, or the community who has lost their leader, they are the ones who could provide an answer, as they would have personal experiences from the chain of events that unfolded. Even then, I'm sure you would get differing opinions on both sides of any event or action. There is no doubt that there are those who will believe with all of their hearts and souls that the sacrifices made in the noted situation were worth it.
Can we make judgement, even with hindsight, history books, and personal accounts of others? Unless there is a dramatically obvious answer, where the outcome is so incredibly one sided, I feel that there is no way one can truly make a decision, without being one of those who made the sacrifices themselves. And with the event in question, I cannot say that even those personal perspectives would get us any closer to an answer.
So was it worth it? I cannot honestly say one way or the other.
aspalm wrote:Was it worth it?
The language of the question leads to the more inflammatory debate on whether any war is "worth it" or whether an individual dies "in vain" if the cause they were fighting for goes against ones own convictions or for a cause that ultimately failed.
In this case, however, the answer is a resounding yes- it was worth it. Because at the time of action, the individuals were performing what was determined to be the best course of action against an oppressive and evil regime.
It is never fair to look back on any such sacrifice of life and apply the benefit of hindsight. One can only evaluate what the knowledge and options were at the time, a task which is nearly impossible to do with the bias of future perspective.
As Abraham Lincoln put it more eloquently at Gettysburg: that it is "far above our poor power to add or detract" from their sacrifice.
Dukasaur wrote:Leehar and ruleroftheworld1 have missed their first set of invites. All have been re-sent.
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Dukasaur wrote:Creative Component Participants:
- Wencenslaus
- Peteee 5
- mackadoo 3
- aspalm 3
- Zbynja 1
- molespe 1
- Jaromir
- MyTurnToWin 5
- Captn B 3
- morleyjoe 3
- Peteee 1
- aspalm 1
- waauw 1
- CatchersMitt14 1
- Charles IV
- CatchersMitt14 5
- bdb 3
- Silly Knig-it 1
- aspalm 1
- morleyjoe 1
- Charle 1
- Peteee 1
- Captn B 1
- First Defenestration
- morleyjoe 3
- Silly Knig-it 3
- Peteee 1
- Rudolf II
- aspalm 5
- morleyjoe 3
- Peteee 2
- Captn B 2
- Second Defenestration
- aspalm 5
- morleyjoe 3
- Peteee 1
- Anthropoid
- Peteee 5
- Morleyjoe 3
- Aspalm 1
- Masaryk
- Peteee 5
- aspalm 3
- morleyjoe 1
- Silly Knig-it 1
Final Creative Component Leaderboard:
- Peteee 21
- aspalm 19
- morleyjoe 17
- CatchersMitt14 6
- Captn B 6
- MyTurnToWin 5
- Silly Knig-it 5
- mackadoo 3
- bdb 3
- Zbynja 1
- molespe 1
- waauw 1
- Charle 1
Dukasaur wrote:
Prizes: To celebrate my birthplace, I will have more prizes than I have ever before given out in a tournament! There will be a grand total of Six Years of premium handed out, as follows:
- 3 months premium for the winner of each of the eight phases.
The eight phases are detailed in the third post:
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=215515&p=4744156#p4744156- Winner of the first phase is molespe, with a total of 38 points in the first round of Assassinations! Molespe received a 3-month premium prize on Jan 24th.
- Winner of the second phase is morleyjoe, with 21 points. Morleyjoe received a 3-month premium prize on March 13th.
- Winner of the third phase was Peteee, with 25 points. Peteee received his 3-month premium prize on April 7th.
- Winner of the fourth phase is waauw, with 21 points. Waauw received his 3-month premium prize on April 7th.
- The winner of the 5th phase was CatchersMitt14. CM14 received her 3-month premium prize on August 10th, 2016.
- The winner of the 6th phase is Shoop76. Shoop received his 3-month premium prize on August 10th 2016.
- The winner of the 7th phase, with a stunning 28 points, is mageplunka69. Mage received his 3-month prize on Dec 19, 2016.
- Winner of the 8th Phase is Silly Knig-it, with 21 points. Silly received his 3-month prize on Dec 19th 2016
- One year premium to the tournament winner.
The overall tournament winner is Silly Knig-it.
Congratulations Silly!
(Silly received his 12-month prize on December 19th, 2016.)- Click here for the tournament scoreboard
- One year premium to the player who scores the most in the creative components.
Winner of the Creative Component is Peteee.
Congrats on a job well done!
Congrats also on your shiny new GA medal that comes with this prize...
(Peteee received his 12-month prize on December 19th, 2016.)- Creative component scoreboard is here: https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=215515#p4744157
- Six months premium to the second-place player overall.
Congratulations to Morleyjoe, the 2nd place winner!
(Morleyjoe received a 12-month gift certificate Dec. 19th. This is a combination of the six months he is owed for being 2nd overall and the 3 months he is owed for being 3rd in the creative component. It's cheaper to buy one 12-month gift than 3 X 3-month gifts, hence the bonus.)- Three months premium to each of the third, fourth, and fifth players overall.
- 3rd place: waauw
- 4th place: CatchersMitt14
- 5th place: I AM NATO
Congrats all!
(Waauw and NATO awarded Dec. 19th; CM14 payout pending.)- Three months premium to each of the second, third, and fourth-placing players in the creative components
Dukasaur wrote:GA Medals: I am applying for 2 GA medals. One will be for the most creative participant, the player who contributes the most to the creative components and scores the most points in them. The other will be for the person who wins the most of the non-Assassin games. Note that GA medals are not official until approved.Update: GAs have been approved!Subject: DKs CSFR series 08 -- Prahamcshanester29 wrote:GA Medals have been approved
The GA medal for the Creative Component goes to Peteee as noted above.
For the most non-Assassin games, Peteee and Leehar are tied with 6 games each. The tiebreaker is the number of points earned through those, which goes to Leehar, who scored 33 points in the two Interludes.
Congratulations Leehar!!
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