Nice, France thread

[BoganGod]

------The Mafia/Italians...ARE AWESOME CATHOLICS...They always go to church after they WHACK someone... ...Luckily you can nuke all the Terrorists you want...We go to confession...Everything is KOOL...If only human law was as easy. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...

congrats on taking your meds. The quoted post was almost normal for a 12year old.

[mrswdk]

I presented a ton of evidence. You dismissed it out of hand. Since you are blinded by your preconceptions, presenting more evidence is not likely to persuade you.

You said Muhammad preached war and destruction, so I presented you with various quotes from Muhammad in which he preached kindness, tolerance and peace.

In response, you started posting a bunch of random quotes from other people that you'd pulled out of the Quran. None were from Muhammad.

Duk theory 1 - 'Muhammad was a prophet of hate'. Debunked

We then moved on to your river of random Quran quotes. Starting with your first quote, I presented you with a Christian website in which theologians discuss how that exact quote is always taken out of context by Islamophobes, and is not actually the Muslim call to arms that you were presenting it as by quoting it in isolation. I could have gone on and rebuuted your entire diarrhea of quotes in the same way but I don't have 3 hours to spare.

Duk theory 2 - 'The Quran preaches hate'. Debunked

In response you just gave up and started asserting that everything you said was true and I disagree because I have my head in the sand.

Duk theory 3 - 'Both my unfounded statements are true, all your evidence to the contrary is a lie, and you're only arguing because you're blind to the truth'. Duk is awarded the Donald Trump Award for Political Debate 2016

[riskllama]

Pullstart is the preferred terminology.

I actually even tried googling the word. Didn't find it. Where does it come from?
Curse you riskllama, trying to educate people with your slang.

There are 3 types of subContinental Humans. Push starts have a dot on their forehead, pullstarts wear a towel on their head and kickstarts don't have either.

Awesome!!

thx, DY.

[Dukasaur]

Saying "debunked" because you found some random website that says such-and-such doesn't make it so. There's websites out there that say the earth is flat. Doesn't make it so.

No serious scholar questions the fact that Mohammed was a ruthless military conqueror. That is the unique and central fact of Islam, that it was a religion created by a ruthless military conqueror to justify his actions. This was a man who walked into towns, killed people who resisted, robbed, raped, and pillaged, took slaves, imposed draconian punishments on people who were immoral in his opinion, and he fully expected his followers to do the same.

There are a thousand propaganda websites engaged in reinterpreting the Koran to mean something that it doesn't. They can come up with all the convoluted flowery arguments that they want, but all of those disappear in a puff of smoke against the central fact that this was a religion to produce warriors for MILITARY CONQUEST. Mohammed subjugated most of the Hejaz and his successors went on to subjugate a third of Asia, a third of Europe, and half of Africa.

You can jump up and down and scream "debunked" until you're blue in the face, but you won't change the facts. You can sit back and congratulate yourself on your brilliant sophistry but the real world laughs at you and keeps on coming.

[mrswdk]

Yeah yeah. Rather than acknowledge that there is a multitude of evidence out there which contradicts all the rubbish you're spouting, you would clearly rather just keep turning up the volume until everyone else gives up.

There's a woman like you who is always stood outside Picadilly Circus subway station hollering at passers by about how we all need God in our lives. That's where you're headed if you keep this up. I hope you get the help you clearly need, before it's too late.

[Dukasaur]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

It's your generation that will have to deal with it, and the sooner you pull your head out of the sand and start looking at things realistically the better prepared you'll be.

[DoomYoshi]

Actually, you're both wrong.

Fact one

The fiction that Islam was preached by the sword and Christianity by the lamb and the dove appeared early in Christian writing, and still exercises a powerful influence upn the popular perception of Islam.

Fact two
Every country in the world that has Muslims has problems.

[mrswdk]

I've already made enough tin hats for both myself and the rest of my family, so I'm not worried.

[tzor]

You'd be amazed how many catholics consider themself catholic, but aren't in reality.

I'm not, but most non Catholics people would be.

There is a similar situation in the Jewish community; a significant number are more "cultural" than "religious" and tend to lean towards the more socialistic or even communist mindsets of their recent ancestors. Ironically, they also tend to hate Israel because it exposes their guilt about their non belief.

[tzor]

You said Muhammad preached war and destruction, so I presented you with various quotes from Muhammad in which he preached kindness, tolerance and peace.

I'm not going to go back and nit pick "quotes" but you should realize that you can't cherry pick quotes from Islamic books. There is an interesting order to them; later verses have precedence over earlier verses. I even think the later commentaries have precedence over the actual main book, but I might be mistaken there. The result is that quoting sections of the Prophet before he was exiled and started to attack the caravans doesn't mean much if the later verses contradict those quotes.

It's all peace and love until they don't listen to you. Then it's "exterminate."

[tzor]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

I suspect it will come to you sooner than you think ...

Lone suspect dead after anti-terror operation in Ontario town. Mind you that's closer to Lake Erie than Lake Ontario, but it's still too close for comfort. It's around 100 miles, eh?

[Bernie Sanders]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

I suspect it will come to you sooner than you think ...

Lone suspect dead after anti-terror operation in Ontario town. Mind you that's closer to Lake Erie than Lake Ontario, but it's still too close for comfort. It's around 100 miles, eh?

Tzor, you have problems sleeping? You think the terrorists have you picked for their next target.

Go outside during a thunderstorm, you'll get hit by lightning, before any Muslim decides to blow himself up with you.

[ADodgeStratus]

[tzor]

Tzor, you have problems sleeping? You think the terrorists have you picked for their next target.

You know Bernie, you should probably shouldn't post after taking that stuff on your new lakefront property. I believe I mentioned that Jihad was coming to the shores of Lake Ontario sooner than you might think, not that anyone would be personally attacking my house anytime soon.

My "terrorists" (squirrels attempting to get at my bird feeder) have already been thwarted.

I have no problems sleeping ... "For the best night's sleep in the whole wide word; visit my pillow dot com."

[mrswdk]

You said Muhammad preached war and destruction, so I presented you with various quotes from Muhammad in which he preached kindness, tolerance and peace.

I'm not going to go back and nit pick "quotes" but you should realize that you can't cherry pick quotes from Islamic books. There is an interesting order to them; later verses have precedence over earlier verses. I even think the later commentaries have precedence over the actual main book, but I might be mistaken there. The result is that quoting sections of the Prophet before he was exiled and started to attack the caravans doesn't mean much if the later verses contradict those quotes.

It's all peace and love until they don't listen to you. Then it's "exterminate."

Kinda ironic that you're accusing me of cherry picking when you're the one declaring that Muhammad led people into combat and was therefore a blood-thirsty jihadist, ignoring the vast amounts of context which say that Muhammad's military actions were in self-defense and governed by strict, moralistic rules of engagement.

But then hey ho, what else would we expect from Dukasaur's main supremacist in arms?

[tzor]

ignoring the vast amounts of context which say that Muhammad's military actions were in self-defense and governed by strict, moralistic rules of engagement.

The morals of a Darlek, perhaps. Here are some quotes from History Net.

Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad’s case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad’s day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad’s suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe’s adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. Shortly after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad declared “war to the knife” against all those who remained idolaters, instructing his followers to kill any pagans they encountered on the spot. His ruthlessness and brutality served to strengthen his hand with opponents and allies alike.

Arab warfare prior to Muhammad’s reforms involved clans and tribes fighting for honor or loot. No commander aimed at the enslavement or extermination of the enemy, nor the occupation of his lands. Arab warfare had been tactical warfare, nothing more. There was no sense of strategic war in which long-term, grand strategic objectives were sought and toward which the tactical application of force was directed. Muhammad was the first to introduce to the Arabs the notion of war for strategic goals. His ultimate goal, the transformation of Arab society through the spread of a new religion, was strategic in concept. Muhammad’s application of force and violence, whether unconventional or conventional, was always directed at this strategic goal. Although he began as the founder of an insurgency, he was always Clausewitzian in his view that the use of force was a tactical means to the achievement of larger strategic objectives. Had Muhammad not introduced this new way of thinking to Arab warfare, the use of later Arab armies to forge a world empire would not only have been impossible, it would have been unthinkable.

[Symmetry]

ignoring the vast amounts of context which say that Muhammad's military actions were in self-defense and governed by strict, moralistic rules of engagement.

The morals of a Darlek, perhaps. Here are some quotes from History Net.

Terrorism seems to be an indispensable element of a successful insurgency, and it was no less so in Muhammad’s case. He used terrorism in two basic ways: First, he ensured discipline among his followers by making public examples of traitors and backsliders. In Muhammad’s day the penalty for apostasy in Islam was death. He also ordered some of his political enemies assassinated, including poets and singers who had publicly ridiculed him. When his armies marched into Mecca, for example, Muhammad’s suffah set about hunting down a list of old enemies marked for execution. Second, Muhammad used terrorism to strike fear in the hearts of his enemies on a large scale. In the case of the Jewish tribes of Medina, Muhammad seems to have ordered the death of the entire Beni Qaynuqa tribe and the selling of their women and children into slavery, though he was later talked out of it by the chief of one of his allies. On another occasion, again against a Jewish tribe of Medina, he ordered all the tribe’s adult males, some nine hundred, beheaded in the city square, the women and children sold into slavery, and their property distributed among his Muslim followers. Shortly after the conquest of Mecca, Muhammad declared “war to the knife” against all those who remained idolaters, instructing his followers to kill any pagans they encountered on the spot. His ruthlessness and brutality served to strengthen his hand with opponents and allies alike.

Arab warfare prior to Muhammad’s reforms involved clans and tribes fighting for honor or loot. No commander aimed at the enslavement or extermination of the enemy, nor the occupation of his lands. Arab warfare had been tactical warfare, nothing more. There was no sense of strategic war in which long-term, grand strategic objectives were sought and toward which the tactical application of force was directed. Muhammad was the first to introduce to the Arabs the notion of war for strategic goals. His ultimate goal, the transformation of Arab society through the spread of a new religion, was strategic in concept. Muhammad’s application of force and violence, whether unconventional or conventional, was always directed at this strategic goal. Although he began as the founder of an insurgency, he was always Clausewitzian in his view that the use of force was a tactical means to the achievement of larger strategic objectives. Had Muhammad not introduced this new way of thinking to Arab warfare, the use of later Arab armies to forge a world empire would not only have been impossible, it would have been unthinkable.

Except, of course, that Alexander the Great did it, and Attilla.

[ConfederateSS]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

It's your generation that will have to deal with it, and the sooner you pull your head out of the sand and start looking at things realistically the better prepared you'll be.

--------In Ontario(8-10-16) ,Canadian..... A.Driver...NOW ISIS MEMBER...was shot to death by police. As he was on his way to Toronto. He tried to blow himself up. As police caught up with him.
--------WATCH OUT DUK......ISIS has just reached the ONTARIO SHORES...OUCH .....Dudley Do-Right wont always be there to save you. ...JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST the crescent moon...CANADA....HELP TURN THEM INTO GLASS... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[Dukasaur]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

It's your generation that will have to deal with it, and the sooner you pull your head out of the sand and start looking at things realistically the better prepared you'll be.

--------In Ontario(8-10-16) ,Canadian..... A.Driver...NOW ISIS MEMBER...was shot to death by police. As he was on his way to Toronto. He tried to blow himself up. As police caught up with him.
--------WATCH OUT DUK......ISIS has just reached the ONTARIO SHORES...OUCH .....Dudley Do-Right wont always be there to save you. ...JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST the crescent moon...CANADA....HELP TURN THEM INTO GLASS... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Wasn't the first nutcase to sell his soul to Allah and I'm sure he won't be the last. Still, isolated nutcases are no reason to panic, and they're certainly no reason to abandon the ideals of Voltaire. If we become ruthless beasts when acting in self-defense, then we've lost the very thing we were defending. Resorting to nuclear war, or any other kind of broadcast death which sweeps up the innocent along with the guilty, is not the kind of thing I can support, even if at some moments it seems like the easiest path. Surrendering morals to expedience is the path of Gaius Marius. Do you want your Republic to go the way of that other Republic?

[ConfederateSS]

--------Well THE USA is already a mirror of that Republic...Welfare/free grain in Rome...Protecting the borders,while letting the interior crumble...Loser politicians...
------NOW TRUMP WINS....
-----1)Nukes the Middle East.
-----2)Lets Russia and China split Europe,Asia and Africa.
-----3)Sends all prisoners to Cuba...
-----America is doing great...Trump's closest friends...Gingrich,Huckabee stab him to death on March 15th, 2018....Et tu Gingrich...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[Bernie Sanders]

[Symmetry]

I don't have a problem with it. I'll be dead of natural causes long before the jihad comes to the tranquil shores of Lake Ontario.

It's your generation that will have to deal with it, and the sooner you pull your head out of the sand and start looking at things realistically the better prepared you'll be.

--------In Ontario(8-10-16) ,Canadian..... A.Driver...NOW ISIS MEMBER...was shot to death by police. As he was on his way to Toronto. He tried to blow himself up. As police caught up with him.
--------WATCH OUT DUK......ISIS has just reached the ONTARIO SHORES...OUCH .....Dudley Do-Right wont always be there to save you. ...JOIN THE FIGHT AGAINST the crescent moon...CANADA....HELP TURN THEM INTO GLASS... ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Wasn't the first nutcase to sell his soul to Allah and I'm sure he won't be the last.

You do know that "Allah" just means "God", right? I'm not even sure you can sell a soul to God in any theology that I'm aware of. It's just Arabic, like algebra. You could learn if you're interested.

But hey, if you're really nodding along sympathetically to the Nazi bloke again, you're not likely to take advice from a degenerate like me.

[ConfederateSS]

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[Symmetry]

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[warmonger1981]

Nice! Two Mod edits in a row.