One night ultimate werewolf round 2 - Town wins!

[Ragian]

I wonder if people missed my claim...

[dakky21]

I wonder if people missed my claim...

You claimed villager, which is a common role, especially because there could be two of them, so you can't get counter claimed. Smart move but without any use to town.

[Iron Butterfly]

Okay nothing interesting so far.

I suggest people start claiming or if you don't want to claim just state who you will vote for. This has to happen to move the game forward.. claims and discussion.

If nothing changes I will vote for Fallo.

Why is that?

Silence is deadly if you are Town. What exactly have you done to help Town so far? If you are Town your silence does nothing to help.

[Ragian]

I wonder if people missed my claim...

You claimed villager, which is a common role, especially because there could be two of them, so you can't get counter claimed. Smart move but without any use to town.

I wasn't wondering about the nature and use of my role. I can't help what I've been given. If two more claim villager, however, we know that one is lying. Therefore, the claim could prove useful. It seemed as if people never realised what I said earlier because it wasn't a usual claim.

Now, shouldn't everyone claim? I understand that werewolves and tanner will lie, but information still helps us.

[Falkomagno]

I agree we should start claiming, and from there work. I am villager, sadly, without any power. What are you Marashu?

[madmitch]

well I know one off the villagers is lying.

[Ragian]

Good. That we can deal with. Easy.

[Marashu]

I agree we should start claiming, and from there work. I am villager, sadly, without any power. What are you Marashu?

I was the Robber. Switched with Mitch, because I wanted to be sure of his alignment. Unless the troublemaker targeted me, I'm now the Witch. Unless the troublemaker targeted Mitch, he's town.

[Iron Butterfly]

I agree we should start claiming, and from there work. I am villager, sadly, without any power. What are you Marashu?

I was the Robber. Switched with Mitch, because I wanted to be sure of his alignment. Unless the troublemaker targeted me, I'm now the Witch. Unless the troublemaker targeted Mitch, he's town.

So if I understand correctly you targeted Mitch and have become the Witch, without it's action. Mitch became the robber but still thinks hes the Witch. Now if this istrue was Mitch able to use his Witch ability before the switch?

Mitch also says he knows one of the villagers is lying.

OK Mitch,you seem to be the focus. You need to claim and let us know what is what. Were you/are you the Witch? Did you use that action?

Why did you say you have no information?

[dakky21]

I was the Robber. Switched with Mitch, because I wanted to be sure of his alignment. Unless the troublemaker targeted me, I'm now the Witch. Unless the troublemaker targeted Mitch, he's town.

well I know one off the villagers is lying.

If there is a troublemaker, mitch even if you were told that you're the villager, that doesn't needs to be true. You could be werewolf. Same for Marashu.

So the claims go so far:

dakky-Seer
IB-Insomniac
Ragian-villager
Falko-villager

mitch-villager
Marashu-Robber- switched to Mitch and got Witch

Which brings the question... if Mitch is/was a villager, he would know that either Ragian or Falko are lying because there are only 2 villagers around. On the other hand, Marashu wouldn't get a Witch swap if Mitch wasn't swapped with someone else. That means there must be a troublemaker?

For some meta reason I trust Mitch that he is/was a villager and Rage & Falko claiming villagers, someone of them is lying. I'm not saying Mitch isn't the second werewolf or tanner, or if someone of those two is also as well.

[madmitch]

I was the witch, one of the cards in the middle was villager.

[Iron Butterfly]

Dakky we deal with probabilities not certainties. Playing what if serves no purpose. The question is what is most likely.

Marashu and Mitch would both have to be Scum if Marashu is lying.

[dakky21]

I was the witch, one of the cards in the middle was villager.

That makes sense now. So you as witch looked at one card in the middle and found that there is villager there. So Ragian & Falko both claiming villager, one of them MUST be lying. Even if two center cards are two villagers, one of them is lying if not both.

Dakky we deal with probabilities not certainties. Playing what if serves no purpose. The question is what is most likely.

Marashu and Mitch would both have to be Scum if Marashu is lying.

Again, IF is a probability.
IF THEN loop:
If Mitch is saying the truth, then Marashu isn't lying and threfore leaves us with BuJaber, Falko and DoomYoshi as possible werewolves.
If Marashu lied and Mitch followed, leaves us rest as possible werewolves, but including them as well.
THEN
I don't know why would Mitch say one of them is lying if he wasn't sure of that, and therefore I believe him. He didn't get counter claim or counter attacked, so I'm pretty much sure he is telling the truth. Probabilities as you would say. Yoshi is quiet lately... BuJaber is putting people in random.org ie. wanting to lynch anyone... scum tell... but also his suggestion to wait 48hrs and put troublemaker away seems like he could be the one as he knows no one will claim troublemaker... if someone did, he would counterclaim... so...
IF THEN SO
Falko & Yoshi... too quiet whole game and a pair. Probably.

[Marashu]

So we still need a claim from Yoshi and Bu, right?

[dakky21]

I forgot Ragian in my "IF" post... he could be WW as well IF mitch is telling the truth.

Anyway, yes, I'd like to hear a claim from Yoshi & BuJ...

[BuJaber]

This went better than I expected.

I am the real villager.

Didn't think so many people would fake claim villager. Easy cop out for wolves. 3/4 are lying people. Let's connect the dots. I think marashu was robber but he stole werewolf from mitch. Mitch needs to tell us that was indeed the werewolf and we can just lynch marashu.

I think Falko is the other werewolf or tanner. Ragian might be villager.. or possibly minion, but highly doubt it. I think the liars are marashu, falko and mitch.


Good game town. If yoshi is troublemaker you HAVE to tell us now.

I am voting marashu as I think it's the one that makes the most sense. (sucks for you to rob the werewolf, sorry)

[Iron Butterfly]

This went better than I expected.

I am the real villager.

Didn't think so many people would fake claim villager. Easy cop out for wolves. 3/4 are lying people. Let's connect the dots. I think marashu was robber but he stole werewolf from mitch. Mitch needs to tell us that was indeed the werewolf and we can just lynch marashu.

I think Falko is the other werewolf or tanner. Ragian might be villager.. or possibly minion, but highly doubt it. I think the liars are marashu, falko and mitch.


Good game town. If yoshi is troublemaker you HAVE to tell us now.

I am voting marashu as I think it's the one that makes the most sense. (sucks for you to rob the werewolf, sorry)

How is this better then expected for you if you can not prove your claim?

[BuJaber]

I'm just optimistic that town can figure it out together. It's hard to not find any flaws in 5 claims.
One thing for sure though: if the bad guys need to ensure a majority, they'll have to hint at it by posting here. Means we might get more clues.
Villager roles have no information, and can be boring; but they have one very big pro: very relaxing role to play. I can't prove it if I tried, so it's not on me to decide. I just have to worry about who I'll vote for and I think I've hit it on the nail with the marashu/mitch thing.

By the way if you need more proof that mitch was werewolf: Why would an actual witch take villager for himself? Witch is town-aligned. So if they saw villager in the middle they would give it to someone else to ensure that they are villager with them. Either mitch DID NOT see villager, and probably picked up tanner/werewolf/minion (not likely based on posts), or mitch is lying and he started as werewolf.

There's only 2 reasons why marashu would cover for mitch: marashu is minion. marashu was robber and is now werewolf. To be honest, either is possible and I only have a gut feeling that it's the latter.

[Ragian]

Let me get this straight:

- I claims villager
- Falko claims villager
- BuJ claims villager
- Mitch says there's one villager in the pile (or centre or whatever)

Doesn't that mean that 2/3 claimed villagers are lying?

[Ragian]

ARGH!! I claim. Why can't I edit posts? Now that awful congruity mistake will ruin the rest of the game.

[BuJaber]

Let me get this straight:

- I claims villager
- Falko claims villager
- BuJ claims villager
- Mitch says there's one villager in the pile (or centre or whatever)

Doesn't that mean that 2/3 claimed villagers are lying?

If that's all you take into account then there's a lot of possibilities... 0,1,2,3 or 4 might be lying

But anyway..you're assuming mitch is telling the truth... why? why can't 2/3 claimers be truthful?

[DoomYoshi]

I am the troublemaker. I switched BuJaber and Falko. Once I get some sleep I will read through this again. A lot happened and I only just skimmed it right now.

[Marashu]

I do believe mitch, obviously. I do find it strange that he didn't choose to give the villager to someone. Unless both Bu and Falko are werewolves, one of them should come forward.

[Ragian]

Come forward and say what? They have both claimed villager.

@BuJ, well, mitch's story is backed up by... Someone who took his role... I'm on my phone. It hurts going back to check.

Yoshi says he switched buj and falko. They both claimed villager, though, so that doesn't give us too much. Unless, of course, one is lying, in which case it's now the other one who's lying. If we believe Yoshi, that is.

I feel like I trust falko the least at the moment. Or perhaps Buj. Obviously, I distrust one of those given their claims and mitch's story.

[Falkomagno]

it is obvious someone is lying. Normally, the last villager is the one lying, so I would say BuJ is the one lying, but his post is somehow not really scummy. So far there is 3 scnarios
1. Mich is lying, so that means that one of Ragian, BuJ and me are lying, plus the one who confirmed mitch. That will give the 2 werewolfs and the minor.
2. Mich is not lying, so 2 out of 3 between Ragian, BuJ and myself are lying, possible add IB as the one antagonizing the most.

In both scenarios Dakky is a bit cleared up.

Now, myself I know im telling the truth, but is difficult to go for a Ragian, BuJ or mitch lynch, as it can be the minor.

At this moment I would go for Ragian, but the challenge would be to read how suicidal are his posts.