Conquer Rome (The Fall of the Roman Empire) [Quenched]

[Fewnix]

Hear. Hear

Salute to those who do the work

This is one of my favorite maps. It has a learning curve but so do most great games. There is checkers for people who want simple games (or doodle the map) Conquer Rome has many subtle strategies and it takes a while to master. Its why I prefer chess and why I prefer maps like this. This map has the additional benefit of given the "feel" of the the historical context of its time better than almost any other map as well.

If you don't like it - then don't play it but please don't insult the map maker with your "impartial" views. Kudos to all the mapmakers who make CC what it is and especially to Kabanellas who does it exceptionally well.

Well said.

[funk renegade]

I'm playing this map for the 1st time, and i read a GOOD chunk of this thread...and I still don't understand it. Don't get me wrong, I love the map and can't wait to figure it out...but i have a feeling i'm gonna need one of those yellow/black books title "Conquer Rome For Dummies"

One question (actually, i have a million) right off the bat that might help me: when i hover over the positions in the map key (vicarious seats, etc), the legend shows the corresponding locations on the map...but the bonuses and player match in the legend don't line up with who's actually occupying the lands on the map.

Game #15489528 is what I'm referencing. Green has all of Burdigala occupied, but the legend shows a neutral 2 in that seat. Me confused?

[jcmagno]

I'm playing this map for the 1st time, and i read a GOOD chunk of this thread...and I still don't understand it. Don't get me wrong, I love the map and can't wait to figure it out...but i have a feeling i'm gonna need one of those yellow/black books title "Conquer Rome For Dummies"

One question (actually, i have a million) right off the bat that might help me: when i hover over the positions in the map key (vicarious seats, etc), the legend shows the corresponding locations on the map...but the bonuses and player match in the legend don't line up with who's actually occupying the lands on the map.

Game #15489528 is what I'm referencing. Green has all of Burdigala occupied, but the legend shows a neutral 2 in that seat. Me confused?

yes buddy, you have all the territories around burdigala, treverorum and londinum, but you didn't take the vicarious, you must attack the vicarious from the capitals (territories in yellow circle) for get the bonus....

[waauw]

I wrote this 2 years ago somewhere. Reading this back I could probably rewrite the strategy part a whole lot better but the map is complicated enough that you can't just follow any guide for it. But it should help as an intro anyway:

show: attack routs

show: bonuses

show: general tactics

show: 1v1 tips

show: team

show: extra remarks

[Oneyed]

[*]augustus can attack any capital or legion on the map

no. augustus can attack only capitals and legions on his side of map.

[*]augustus seat + legion= +1
[*]augustus + imperial capital= +1

valids only for legions/capitals in the same side of map as augustus.

Oneyed

[waauw]

[*]augustus can attack any capital or legion on the map

no. augustus can attack only capitals and legions on his side of map.

[*]augustus seat + legion= +1
[*]augustus + imperial capital= +1

valids only for legions/capitals in the same side of map as augustus.

Oneyed

hmmm, I knew that. Apparently I forgot to type it :/

[funk renegade]

I'm playing this map for the 1st time, and i read a GOOD chunk of this thread...and I still don't understand it. Don't get me wrong, I love the map and can't wait to figure it out...but i have a feeling i'm gonna need one of those yellow/black books title "Conquer Rome For Dummies"

One question (actually, i have a million) right off the bat that might help me: when i hover over the positions in the map key (vicarious seats, etc), the legend shows the corresponding locations on the map...but the bonuses and player match in the legend don't line up with who's actually occupying the lands on the map.

Game #15489528 is what I'm referencing. Green has all of Burdigala occupied, but the legend shows a neutral 2 in that seat. Me confused?

yes buddy, you have all the territories around burdigala, treverorum and londinum, but you didn't take the vicarious, you must attack the vicarious from the capitals (territories in yellow circle) for get the bonus....

I still don't follow. So I need to occupy the capital of it's respective vicarious seats to get the bonus? Basically occupy the capital and the vicarious?

Can you spell it out in terms of lands? Like "to collect the burdigala bonus, you have to attack burdigala from <???>"....or...."you have to occupy lands <x> and <y> to collect the burdigala bonus"

i apologize if it's not that easy to explain...or if collecting a bonus isn't that black and white. If it's more complex then that, i may need 20+ more games on the board to start to understand

[funk renegade]

holy shit i think i get it...something just clicked when i re-read waauw's write-up. now i have to wait my turn before i can test that theory

i really wish this map was available on bot games

[Dukasaur]

I still don't follow. So I need to occupy the capital of it's respective vicarious seats to get the bonus? Basically occupy the capital and the vicarious?

Yes, that's correct.

Both the capital of the province and the vicarius. Think of the capital as the ruling seat, and the vicarious as the actual ruler. To think of it another way: In order to control the province, you need to control both the actual person in charge and his headquarters.

ps. Nice job, waauw!

pps. Nice catch, Oneyed!

[Oneyed]

I still don't follow. So I need to occupy the capital of it's respective vicarious seats to get the bonus? Basically occupy the capital and the vicarious?

Yes, that's correct.

Both the capital of the province and the vicarius. Think of the capital as the ruling seat, and the vicarious as the actual ruler. To think of it another way: In order to control the province, you need to control both the actual person in charge and his headquarters.

ps. Nice job, waauw!

pps. Nice catch, Oneyed!

you do not need to hold capital to gain bonus (if you hold another 2 regions of diocese).
from capital of diocese (province) you can one way attack its vicarious. when you hold vicarious you gain +1 army for every 2 its regions. capital is in this case the same region as another regions of diocese, so if you lost capital but you still hold 2 regions of diocese and vicarious you gain +1 army.

Oneyed

[Agelastos]

You managed to make the most addictive map of conquerclub. Congrats!

[Fewnix]

Appreciate this map, appreciate all that you have done, are doing and will do.

Thank you.

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[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Am I missing something, but do I not hold both imperial seats, an imperial capital and IV barbarian tribes?

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=15892825 Its round 15 currently. I have Roma, Constantinople, West and East, Angli, saxones, Hunni and Sassanidae.

What am I missing? (Yes held for an entire turn)

Ignore - I started my turn and instantly won. My bad.

[andraaww]

how can i increase the ???

[Fuchsia tude]

how can i increase the ???

Hold either a vicarious seat AND 2+ of its associated territories; or a prefect/praetorian seat AND 4+ of its associated territories; or an augustus AND 1+ of its associated capitals and legions.

Each one of those +'s with its corresponding government post gives you another +1. There is no territory-bonus without them.

[Kabanellas]

Appreciate this map, appreciate all that you have done, are doing and will do.

Thank you.

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Thanks a lot!

[tkr4lf]

I don't really play games on this site anymore, but this is still by far my favorite map. Kab, you made all the best maps that made this place what it was back in the day. Cheers on a job well done buddy.

[Kabanellas]

I don't really play games on this site anymore, but this is still by far my favorite map. Kab, you made all the best maps that made this place what it was back in the day. Cheers on a job well done buddy.

Thank you, it was a pleasure doing it for this community!

[Falkomagno]

Hi guys. one question...how do i get the negative bonus?? i dont see it anywhere in the legend

[Donelladan]

If you hold the west emperor and any of the 4 tribes on the west side you get -3 /tribe.
If you hold the east emperor and any of the 4 tribes on the east side you get -3/tribe.

[Falkomagno]

If you hold the west emperor and any of the 4 tribes on the west side you get -3 /tribe.
If you hold the east emperor and any of the 4 tribes on the east side you get -3/tribe.

Thank you!

[ironbuttaxe]

Can barbarian tribes be taken via outposts?

[Dukasaur]

Can barbarian tribes be taken via outposts?

There are two ways to interpret your question.

If you hold the outpost but lose the tribe, then "yes" you can retake the tribe from the outpost.

On the other hand, if you mean "can I take a tribe from a neighbouring province by passing through the outpost, then the answer is "no". The attacks between the outposts and the provinces are one-way. If you hold neither the tribe or the outpost, the only way to take the tribe is directly through the Emperor.

[Machiavello]

I love the map, just don't understand how to conquer a Barbarian Tribe or a Barbarian Outpost. Can you help me? Thanks

[Swifte]

I love the map, just don't understand how to conquer a Barbarian Tribe or a Barbarian Outpost. Can you help me? Thanks

You need to work your way from the Capitals (Golden circle territories) up to the Vicarious, the Praetor, and then Western or Eastern Augustus.. all contained on the mini-map in the upper right. The Western Augustus can take all the barbarian camps to the west, the East does the ones over there.

Legions in the same area as a barbarian outpost can bombard it, but that won't help you get to the camp.