[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If I am jailed at night I could not kill nor be investigated.

What?
What games have you been playing all these years?

Since when has a jailkeeper ever protected someone from an investigation? It's like a mafia 102 role, fairly basic stuff. I feel like you're starting to make crap up to defend yourself now.

You wanna argue what a jail keeper does?

All somewhat irrelevant, youre arguing a day cop check

[StorrZerg]

It's kinda dumb discussion as is regarding jail. Rishaed ask mod about it. It's possible ib was used as the bus action to try and get a secure kill on someone else. But the jail stopped the attempt. The shot at ib is a little puzzling unless mafia believe ib still has power. Benga preventing the shot with bullet proof seems most likely.

[dakky21]

MOD note ... Streaker is obviously AWOL and I'm taking this game as my own with Epitaph1 as a co-mod. We'll do our best.... I'm not counting on Streaker anymore...

[rizky_biznezz]

Ok thanks dakky


@benga do u have reason to believe ur results aren't accurate is that why u are voting LSU not one of the 3 names u gave? If u dont think u were the target and ur bulletproof saved u then what do u think happened?

[AladdinSane]

I just got tired of hearing the same players talk fairy tale BS over and over. I have also posted my theory several times on the cult being alive and well to be all but ignored.

You tork about "fairy tale BS" but bang on about a susposed "Cult" dat their is verry littul evidense fer. Maybe their is a reeson it is getting ignawed.

Wot evidense is their fer teh existense of a Cult? Okay, fer a start, their is Marishu's claim dat he lerned wile he was ded dat HS was a cult Recrooter. Let's make teh asumpshun, fer the sake of argumint, dat he is teling teh truth.

If HS was a Cult recrooter, he either had a N0 recrootmint, or he dident. If he dident, then teh Cult died wit him, sinse we linched him D1.

If HS did recroot N0, den either his recroot became Cult leeder upon HS's deth, or he dident. If he dident, then he cant recroot enywun, and their is just wun Cultist out their. Sinse Cultists genrally lose their abilities wen they are recrooted, this Cultist prob woodent have a NK. Not growing Cult and no NK = not mutch of a thret, den.

If teh recroot DID becum Cult Leader upon HS's deth, then he wood have recrooted N1, N2, & N3. So, four Cult now. Dat looks danjerus, BUT

If HS hadent been given up to IB by teh mods rite out of teh gate (Let's assume IB is teling teh truth on dat), he wood have recrooted N0, N1, N2 & N3. So their wood now be five Cult. In other werds, not only did HS seem to get a raw deel, but orso his deth was essenshally meeningless and did littul to stem teh growth of Cult.


As fer teh paucity of NKs in dis game, I am not shore it is so supprising. sinse their is, aparently, a plethora of saving meckanisms in dis game:

Storr claims 2 docs
Skoffin dident get modkilled until end D2, so cood have saved on N1;
Rish's jailing;
Benga's bullettproof dift frum Ragian;
Whoever saved Storr wen he revived Marashu (asume 1 save per nite) "X"
If Wing reely is CPR doc, possibul save if he tried to shoot sumwun targeted fer kill.

So:

N1: 1 NK, up to 6 save meckanisms in ackshun (Storr - 2; Skoffin - 1; Rish - 1; "X" - 1; Wing - 1)
N2: 1 NK, up to 5 save meckanisms in akshun (Storr - 2; Rish - 1; "X" - 1 "Storr"; Wing - 1)
N3: 0 NK, up to 6 save meckanisms in ackshun (Storr - 2; Rish - 1; "X" - 1; Bullettproof - 1; Wing - 1)

So, I'm not reely seeing Cult as a thret rite now.

As a finol note, we shood remember dat HS dident flip Cult Recrooter. It's a basterd game, so dat mite not meen enything.

OR it cood meen dat Marashu is lying OR dat he was misled wile ded. Don't ferget dat HS wernt Town, and had no reeson to give out info dat wood help Town. He wood have known wot was about to go down wit Marashu's revival becorse I brort dat to evrywun's atenshun on D2, so he mite well have been spredding disinfomashun. Dat is, he was 3P but, if not Cult, mite have started a rumor about Cult to hinder Town, or simply fer his own amusemint.

Orso: Sinse, if HS was Cult Recrooter, it looks like Cult don't reveel Cult on flip, a Cult starts to look over-powered. If not fer teh unlikely circumstanze dat we reseeved werd about the Cult frum a revived ded, how wood we have ever lerned about Cult's existenze?

[AladdinSane]

I see dat Wing is sitting on 8 votes now. Dedline's not til teh 19th, so I don't feel teh need to rush my vote. Still undesided. Wotching wit innerest.

@Dakky & Epi: Tanks fer steping up to replase Streaker.

[AladdinSane]

Is there a scenario in which one of IB and Rish isnt lying? I cant think of one.

In the scenario in which we don't trust the glasses, because gifts in this game have a less than stellar reputation for accuracy.

specifically, LSU gifts have not shown reliability.

Rong. Neither inventer's gifts have been shown too be reliabul. Teh differense is dat LSU TJ's gifts have been shown too be UNreliabul, whereas Ragian's remain essenshally untested.

LSU TJ:
8-borl - unreliabul resolt;
Swetter - backfired;
Glasses - ??? untested

Ragian:
Gun - no evidense dat teh 'woond' setting ackshually jailed Mitch, or had eny effekt wotsoever;
Bullettproof - no evidense dat Benga was shot at, theirfore no evidense dat it werked;
Alinement indickater - ??? untested

So their is no ackshual evidense day eny of Ragian's inventshuns have werked as planned. We shood simply regard dem as "Untested".

Rage's items haven't proved faulty. That is a major difference.

Where goin to have to be presise about dis, in teh event dat our first linch frum teh list dozent werk out. How mutch do we invest in teh invenshuns of an inventer who dozent have eny inventshuns proven to werk (i.e. Ragian)?

If we linch, say, Wing N4 (sinse he is ahed on votes by a long way rite now) and he flips Town (it is posibul, I gess), do we then gambul another Townie on dis unproven invenshun? Let's say we do: we linch, say, Deg N5. Wot if Deg flips Town too? Do we say "Ok, it has to be Rish" and potenshally linch yet another Town N6 - and a jailer, at that? Dat wood be tree moor Town ded PLUS, assuming sucksessful NKs on Townies on N4, N5, & N6, tree more. Can we aford dat?

Note dat if we had positve evidense dat at leest wun Ragian inventshun indubitably werked corecktly, it wood be a no-brainer. But, lacking dat, we need to asess the risks carefuly as we proseed. Dat is why we need to be cleer on dis.

I'm not advokating eny particklar corse of ackshun hear - I'm just saying dat we need to be logikly presise, and reelize wot teh stakes are (Hint: victory is at stake).

[AladdinSane]

Slite amenment to my "Cult" post above, in teh name of presishun:

If HS hadent been given up to IB by teh mods rite out of teh gate (Let's assume IB is teling teh truth on dat), he wood have recrooted N0 (maybe, depending on game meckaniks), N1, N2 & N3. So their wood now be four or five Cult. In other werds, not only did HS seem to get a raw deel, but orso his deth was essenshally meeningless and did littul or nuttink to stem teh growth of Cult.

[PLAYER57832]

If wing, or whomever is targeted today is town, then we lose. Out of 28, getting less and less likely town can maintain a majority, unless there were a LOT more town to start than other factions.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If wing, or whomever is targeted today is town, then we lose. Out of 28, getting less and less likely town can maintain a majority, unless there were a LOT more town to start than other factions.

And with that in mind. Consider that D3 only two people even considered that I was a threat, Storr and yourself. And look at how much we struggled to reach consensus D3. Yet somehow D4 I am a L-1 faster than either Sausage or Hotshot were.

Its elementary.

[Iron Butterfly]

If wing, or whomever is targeted today is town, then we lose. Out of 28, getting less and less likely town can maintain a majority, unless there were a LOT more town to start than other factions.

And with that in mind. Consider that D3 only two people even considered that I was a threat, Storr and yourself. And look at how much we struggled to reach consensus D3. Yet somehow D4 I am a L-1 faster than either Sausage or Hotshot were.

Its elementary.

You were also not included in a three way investigation. As the day has wore on your attitude has changed as well. Your trying to lynch anyone you can latch onto.

As far as the item that groups you with the other two, I will concede a change to my beleif about inventions. LSU inventions have been a bust this game. If the invention that groups you as possible mafia were from LSU you would have an argument about its validity.

[AladdinSane]

Yet somehow D4 I am a L-1 faster than either Sausage or Hotshot were.

Its elementary.

L-2, I tink. Yer on 8 votes. 18 alive needs 10 to linch.

I'm not shore it's so elemenery. It COOD be scum piling on to yer bandwagen, or it COOD just be dat yer on a short list of tree wit two playas who don't seem to have mutch of a case aginst dem. If I HAD to vote rite now orf dat list, I'd vote you, but sinse teh dedline isn't til teh 19th, theirs time to wait fer develupmints.

[AladdinSane]

LSU inventions have been a bust this game. If the invention that groups you as possible mafia were from LSU you would have an argument about its validity.

Teh qwestjun is, is LSU TJ trying to make useful invenshuns dat teh mods are funking wit (i.e. "insane" inventer), or is he delibrately making useless inventshuns (i.e. scum inventer)?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

If wing, or whomever is targeted today is town, then we lose. Out of 28, getting less and less likely town can maintain a majority, unless there were a LOT more town to start than other factions.

And with that in mind. Consider that D3 only two people even considered that I was a threat, Storr and yourself. And look at how much we struggled to reach consensus D3. Yet somehow D4 I am a L-1 faster than either Sausage or Hotshot were.

Its elementary.

You were also not included in a three way investigation. As the day has wore on your attitude has changed as well. Your trying to lynch anyone you can latch onto.

As far as the item that groups you with the other two, I will concede a change to my beleif about inventions. LSU inventions have been a bust this game. If the invention that groups you as possible mafia were from LSU you would have an argument about its validity.

Vote IB

I'm not trying to lynch anyone, I am trying to lynch you. You have been caught red-handed. Its just a shame that you and your cronies are trying to sweep that one under the carpet.

You've still not explained why you had Hotshots name in a game that seems to lack killers. Has anyone noticed that very few players in this game have a flavour name? You fake claimed a backstory, yet no one else seems to have a backstory. Insane Guard my arse.

I am in a three way check, thats a 1 in 3 chance of correct lynch. You have been caught red-handed, thats a 1 in 1 chance of a correct lynch.

[Metsfanmax]

Vote IB

I'm not trying to lynch anyone, I am trying to lynch you. You have been caught red-handed. Its just a shame that you and your cronies are trying to sweep that one under the carpet.

I've already explained why this "cop check" shouldn't be trusted so completely, and you have completely ignored this, so

Vote Wing

[StorrZerg]

this push on ib is weak as f*ck.

[dakky21]

I think that's a lynch.... if I didn't skip over some unvote, by my counts it is:

wing 10 aladdinsane, degaston, DJPatrick, PLAYER57832, catchersmitt14, Iron Butterfly, Marashu, rishaed, ragian, mets
storr 1 TWR
deg 2 Storr, LSU
LSU 1 benga
IB 1 wing

With 10 required votes, I guess Wing is lynched.... but do a double check, it could be I missed some unvote...

[dakky21]

I urge you to double check as 3 people didn't vote and you know what that means

[AladdinSane]

I think that's a lynch.... if I didn't skip over some unvote, by my counts it is:

wing 10 aladdinsane, degaston, DJPatrick, PLAYER57832, catchersmitt14, Iron Butterfly, Marashu, rishaed, ragian, mets
storr 1 TWR
deg 2 Storr, LSU
LSU 1 benga
IB 1 wing

With 10 required votes, I guess Wing is lynched.... but do a double check, it could be I missed some unvote...

I unvoted!!!

[AladdinSane]

See?

I'm tired (after 4am) and I can't dijest all this rite now. I don't want to chek in tomorow mourning and maybe find myself on another mislinch, so for now UNVOTE. We need to get dis next wun rite, peepul, an their's plenny of time, so take yore time and consider orl teh anguls, kay? At teh same time, don't take too long - we don't want to have to rushlinch at teh last minut agin either.

Qwestjun fer Rish: why dident you jail me N3? My power operates as a global efeckt, acording to teh mods, so I don't tink it wood have been blokked. I'm kind of supprised to be un-NKed.

Qwestjun fer LSU TJ: Maybe a sily kwestjun - Is it sertain (putting aside fer teh minute teh posibility of a flip) dat teh targett will only have blud on there hands after a sucksessfull kill, or wood they orso have blud on there hands after a failed atempt? Orso, is a random resolt a posibility, as well as true and flipped?

Qwestjun fer Storr: Still waiting fer “addishunal infomashun”, I tink...

I have additional information about my role to give once the last 2 claims are made, excluding twr

Did we ever get dat?

[AladdinSane]

VOTE NO LYNCH

[AladdinSane]

I urge you to double check as 3 people didn't vote and you know what that means

Peepul not voting wen a linch is acheeved = not modkill, rite?

Only modkill if we go over teh dedline without voting?

[StorrZerg]

I urge you to double check as 3 people didn't vote and you know what that means

they are not mod killed because day ended early....

[dakky21]

Ok so no lynch yet... OK.... good that you checked but I did oversee that Aladdin... that's why I like votes and unvotes on the bottom of the posts...

I think Streaker meant no vote = modkill even if the day ends early?

[dakky21]

Well, that still means Wing is on L-1