Lufsen75 and Thekidstrumpet [ka]

[daniely]

Accused:

Lufsen75
Thekidstrumpet

The accused are suspected of:

Other: Deadbeating purposefully to their advantage in tournament games

Game number(s):

Game 16260325

Comments:
This team purposefully deadbeated in a the Two Step Dubs tournament. We have already discussed with Mad777 and Clive as tournament leaders and they recommended we report them here. See detailed notes below showing that they selectively skipped turns in order to strategically deadbeat and give their spoils to their teammate who collected back to back in escalating game.

Of our 4 games against them, here are TheKidsTrumpet's turns during the time period in question. Take a look at the dates that he missed turns in the game in question and the dates that he made turns in the other 3 games we played them.

Game #16260325 - game where he deadbeated and they gained a distinct advantage, being able to turn 2 sets back to back. This was set up b/c we had him cornered and were about to eliminate on our next turn.
2016-01-21 16:43:47 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-23 15:47:55 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-25 14:33:13 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn

Game #16260324
2016-01-21 16:41:49 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-23 15:46:05 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-25 12:16:02 - TheKidsTrumpet received 1 troops for holding ? Took his turn 2 hours before deadbeating in the game in question.

Game #16260327
2016-01-20 16:49:26 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-22 14:44:48 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 6 regions
2016-01-24 14:24:20 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 3 regions Took 2 turns before deadbeating in the game in question.

Game #16260326
2016-01-21 16:40:00 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-23 15:42:33 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-24 14:30:20 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 1 regions Took this turn before deadbeating in the game in question.

This is why it seems suspect that he only deadbeated in this particular game.

[Donelladan]

2016-01-22 14:44:48 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 6 regions

Took a turn on 22/01 but

2016-01-23 15:47:55 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn

2016-01-23 15:46:05 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn

Missed two on the 23/01

Therefore the ones you linked there :

Game #16260327
2016-01-20 16:49:26 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-22 14:44:48 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 6 regions
2016-01-24 14:24:20 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 3 regions Took 2 turns before deadbeating in the game in question.

Game #16260326
2016-01-21 16:40:00 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-23 15:42:33 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-24 14:30:20 - TheKidsTrumpet received 3 troops for 1 regions Took this turn before deadbeating in the game in question.

Aren't really relevant to the case.


The only interesting one is this one :

Game 16260324

2016-01-25 12:16:02 - TheKidsTrumpet received 1 troops for holding ? Took his turn 2 hours before deadbeating in the game in question.

Btw

See detailed notes below showing that they selectively skipped turns in order to strategically deadbeat and give their spoils to their teammate who collected back to back in escalating game.

Except maybe this one :
Game 16260325

2016-01-25 14:33:13 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-25 21:33:13 - TheKidsTrumpet was kicked out for missing too many turns

There is no doubt that all the turns TheKidsTrumpet missed were not intentional, because what interest would he have missing turn in that one Game 16260324 ?
Missing 2 turns and playing the 3rd didn't give him any advantage.

So he may have skip one turn strategically, but definitely not all the others.

Also

This was set up b/c we had him cornered and were about to eliminate on our next turn.

Would you have cornered him that easily without the two not intentional missed turns he had before ?
Also you're jumping to conclusion, maybe he had only couple of minutes and played one turn, or he thought he still had 2 hours and he could play the other game later but didn't come back in times.

And you said you had him cornered. He had 27 regions last turns he played, you took 11 from him so he still had 16 regions. Meaning, excluding any bonus he would have, he would have deployed at least 15 turns troops ( 5 for his turns, 2 for the 2 missed).
You think you'd have been able to eliminate him with him having minimum 31 troops ( 16 regions + 15 troops), with you deploying 10 turns on your next turn?

2016-01-25 21:33:13 - TheKidsTrumpet missed a turn
2016-01-25 21:33:13 - TheKidsTrumpet was kicked out for missing too many turns
2016-01-25 22:13:51 - daniely received 1 troops for holding ?
2016-01-25 22:13:51 - daniely received 3 troops for 11 regions
2016-01-25 22:13:58 - daniely played a set of Hall, Baton, and 301 worth 6 troops
2016-01-25 22:14:08 - daniely deployed 3 troops on ?
2016-01-25 22:14:12 - daniely deployed 3 troops on ?
2016-01-25 22:14:16 - daniely deployed 2 troops on ?
2016-01-25 22:14:23 - daniely deployed 1 troops on ?
2016-01-25 22:14:25 - daniely deployed 1 troops on ?
2016-01-25 22:14:38 - daniely assaulted ? from ? and co

and your argument is that he decided to give up 15 troops ( plus all the troops he would have deployed being still alive afterwards) to give his partner another set worth...10 troops?

2016-01-25 23:13:31 - Lufsen75 played a set of Roy, Clive, and 306 worth 8 troops
2016-01-25 23:13:31 - Lufsen75 got bonus of 2 troops added to ?
2016-01-25 23:13:31 - Lufsen75 got bonus of 2 troops added to ?
2016-01-25 23:13:34 - Lufsen75 played a set of 205, Chico, and Tyler worth 10 troops

I mean, maybe he did it. But, you should thank him for all the miss he had in this game and the other anyway, did definitely give you more advantage. And even his deadbeated turn, I am not 100% sure it gave advantage to his partner.

[cpm]

Aren't really relevant to the case.

All of the facts are relevant b/c it showed that he was taking turns in the process of missing others. Yes, I understand stuff happens and sometimes this is the case. The reason this was reported is b/c it happened to have a major impact in the game where he actually did deadbeat. It may have been coincidental, but the timestamps and results don't necessarily give that impression.

I mean, maybe he did it. But, you should thank him for all the miss he had in this game and the other anyway, did definitely give you more advantage. And even his deadbeated turn, I am not 100% sure it gave advantage to his partner.

I appreciate you looking into this but this logic makes no sense. It's the equivalent of saying, "I'm glad that drunk driver blindsided me and totaled my car b/c I got a new car out of it and all that reconstructive surgery cleaned out some old scar tissue in my knee."

[Donelladan]

Aren't really relevant to the case.

All of the facts are relevant b/c it showed that he was taking turns in the process of missing others. Yes, I understand stuff happens and sometimes this is the case. The reason this was reported is b/c it happened to have a major impact in the game where he actually did deadbeat. It may have been coincidental, but the timestamps and results don't necessarily give that impression.

No they aren't, either I didn't express myself clearly, or you didn't get what I meant.

All of the facts are relevant b/c it showed that he was taking turns in the process of missing others

This is where you're making a mistake, because all the other missed turns except the one that kicked him out of the game are obviously not giving him any advantage.
Actually they are relevant only to argue that he was having trouble taking his turns during this period and therefore the last one he missed could also be not intentional.
Please check all the other missed turns and try to find out an advantage he could have from it, you won't be able to do it (except if you are stretching the facts and logic ) because there isn't.
There is never advantage in missing turn, except in freestyle games, not the case here, or sometimes in round limit multiplayers game to make your opponent believe you aren't a threat, not the case either.
But there might be an advantage if you already missed 2 turns, missing a 3rd one, this I can agree it's possible. But the 2 first missed turns, in all the games you are showing, no advantage was gained from them. That is why I am saying there are irrelevant. They were not intentional, and if they were, then he is stupid and he didn't gain advantage from them anyway.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Deadbeating to hand your spoils over to your teammate is a legitimate strategy.

Nothing to see here.

Shut up Don.

[Donelladan]

Deadbeating to hand your spoils over to your teammate is a legitimate strategy.

Nothing to see here.

Shut up Don.

Nice trolling.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 9&t=214782

[king achilles]

I agree that only the first 2 games mentioned are relevant to each other. It shows that he took a turn on Game 16260324 where he could have taken a turn on Game 16260325 as well. It does look suspicious but It is still questionable that his teammate would have something to do with it.

This tournament is not an Auto tournament so your dispute over Thekidstrumpet's missed turns can be forwarded to the Tournament mods or Organizer and they will make their decision about this matter.

With this much evidence, I can only note this report on Thekidstrumpet's record for now.

[iAmCaffeine]

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=214782

That's not even remotely similar.

This tournament is not an Auto tournament so your dispute over Thekidstrumpet's missed turns can be forwarded to the Tournament mods or Organizer and they will make their decision about this matter.

I believe this was done prior to the report.

[Mad777]

This tournament is not an Auto tournament so your dispute over Thekidstrumpet's missed turns can be forwarded to the Tournament mods or Organizer and they will make their decision about this matter.

I believe this was done prior to the report.

That is a correct Caff, they did reported to me and subsequently to Clive (TO) before posting that C&A, they ended up loosing that game.

[Mad777]

This tournament is not an Auto tournament so your dispute over Thekidstrumpet's missed turns can be forwarded to the Tournament mods or Organizer and they will make their decision about this matter.

I believe this was done prior to the report.[/quote]

You are correct Caff, they did report to me and Clive before posting here. They ended up loosing that game.