[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[AladdinSane]

So fare these are the people wgo claimed to receve an apple. We have 48 hours to mayke our decision. Is it possible the effects could be shown quickely and before the deadline? For exampke, I send in my choice now and we possibley get a response before the majority have to make a deciskion?

Wing
Falkomango
rizky
Ragian
ptlowe
degaston
Iron Butterfly
CatchersMitt14

Wot makes you tink the results will be uniform?

Not a danm ting. Itz quite possible in my mind that rezults could be completely radium. But in my opinion we should at least atempt to determine the rezults. These apples seem reminiscent of the 8-ball currrently.

Fare enuf. Try to do sumting about yer speling, tho. It's atroshus.

[CatchersMitt14]

Well, I ate mine.

I just ate mine too. Let's seez what happens.

The message also made it sound lick there could be effects for not ate-ing it as well. Ideally we'd have somewun take that route as welp.

[AladdinSane]

Scum Rollcall, thoughts please (from all)

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

(in rough order)

Oh, look! Supprise whose at teh top of yer list. Okay, hear are my thorts: Yer list is yet ANOTHER failure on yore part to provide justificashuns fer yer suspishuns, and is therefore next to useless.

It strikes me as a blatent atempt to divert atenshun away frum yer groop, witch Falko has been kind enuff to list below (also needs justificashuns).

[AladdinSane]

Firt, tank you fer providing sum reesons. However, I tink most or orl of dese reesons are floored:

For my part, I have played with those three a fair bit.

By "those three", I assume you mean IB, Storr, and PTLowe, since you seem to want to excloode Benga from teh groop.But so wot if you have played wit them even a hunnerd times before? Dozent say anyfink about their alinement in dis game. Or are you claiming you have sum kind of tell on dem? Maybe if you shared it, we cood have more confidence in your trust.

PTLowe claimed cop early without prompting in a genuine way, niave but genuine.

Mite be paranoid or insane tho. And he did explsitly ask for pertection wen he claimed, witch I find suspishus.

Storr is the subject of a copcheck, until the investigation is shown to be false I must assume it to be correct.

Why assume that wen the only cop to flip so far has been insane in the membrain? Besides, you sed erlier that copchecks at dis erly stage are a crutch.

IB's day 1 play makes most sense as town.

Just a bald statement of opinyun, details pleese. I don't necessarily disagree wit you, but he's an experiensed playa, capabul of making stuff up, and his 8-borl, if it exists, looks unreliable.

I only know one persons alignment.

As I pointed out above, you dont even no dat.

I trust their opinion and that theyll keep me on the right track.

Why trust there opinyun wen you dont no there alinement? You sed just above dat you only no 1 persun's alinement.

Note that although I strongly believe Mtam and Rage to be town I do not use them as a sounding board in the same way.

Why do you "strongly believe" Mtam and Rage to be Town? Just becorse Mtam agrees wit yore reeds? Dat's like you belieeve the Earth is flat and you "strongly believe" X is intelligent becorse he orso beleeves the Earth is flat. The logic (or lack thereof) is breth-taking.

[rizky_biznezz]

It seems a few are eating so I will leave the apple then and see what happens... Not sending til later though.. Back posting tomorrow arvo (15 or so hours from now) sorry guys

[Iron Butterfly]

When you say "details please"what exactly does that mean?

You can not prove anyone's alignment 100% until they are dead.

I can not tell you how many games I have played where I have believed someone Town and they have turned out to be mafia. The same holds true the other way.

The point is a large part of this game is using wisdom from our experience to try and figure out the unknowns and possibilities that may be. We are not always right how ever the more experienced players sometimes have a better probability of being right and knowing the truth.

My first game I was a train wreck...but it makes a good read for how not to play and how to piss people off.

[Iron Butterfly]

And Aladdin there IS a psychological difference in how someone plays as mafia versus a Town role. With experience one tends to learn the idiosyncrasies of players. New players who are used to playing Town roles have a hard time playing the bad guy the first time for a variety of reasons.

So while probability wise everyone has the same probability of being Town or mafia if you know a persons play style you can catch them easier. A prime example is White Rose.He was nailed his second game as mafia because he played different then he did when he was Town.

This is your second game. You have nothing to compare to as a reference.

This is a "detail" that is easy to point out to you of your ignorance in game play and it's meta.

[PLAYER57832]

I got an apple, too. Could not post before, sorry. I will wait to decide. I am inclined to eat it, but who knows.

[PLAYER57832]

Scum Rollcall, thoughts please (from all)

Aladdin
DJPatrick
Player
CatchersMitt
Falko
/ slash
Deg
White Rose

(in rough order)

Oh, look! Supprise whose at teh top of yer list. Okay, hear are my thorts: Yer list is yet ANOTHER failure on yore part to provide justificashuns fer yer suspishuns, and is therefore next to useless.

It strikes me as a blatent atempt to divert atenshun away frum yer groop, witch Falko has been kind enuff to list below (also needs justificashuns).

Basically, I am tempted to say if Ginkapo says "bad" , its good. However, there are some other names that are suspicious to me on that list.

I would add IB, metts suspicious of catchersmitt. White Rose being listed here actually makes me LESS suspicious.
and yeah.. the more they go on the attack, the more I believe they truly are mafia, not just another third party.

After all those kills, it would not surprise me to find out that there are only about 3 true townies left. (and yeah.. already said it, but I am definitely town).

[PLAYER57832]

My "trusted" right now, alladinsan is about the only one.. though with the caveat that his misspelling might be some kind of twisted thing. As in , maybe insane, but thinks perfectly normal town. OR, maybe a psychologist who's misspelling has resulted in the wrong people getting put in the asylum/released. Right now, that won't make a whole lot of difference and is not predictable.

VERY tempted to eat apple, but am going to wait a few hours to decide, since there is no real immediate rush on it.

Except.. we definitely DO have to decide one way or another!

[StorrZerg]

Results will not be instant imo.

Also more than 1 person has to miss spell. Not indicate of alignment what so ever.

[StorrZerg]

How about pointing out some he has done that makes you think he is town, that has nothing to do with his post restriction....

[madmitch]

I ate my apple also , I figured what the hell I was shot anyway what is the worst thing that could happen?

[PLAYER57832]

How about pointing out some he has done that makes you think he is town, that has nothing to do with his post restriction....

Like I said before, he is being attacked by people who are attacking me, claiming I am suspicious and otherwise attacking people for what I feel are incorrect reasons and joining with people whom I find suspicious. The only one I would say I am actually "reading" is the one person with whom I am previously familiar. (already mentioned the name, don't want to repeat it). I am suspicious because, even within game parameters, this person is not acting as I would expect.

This is my first game, so I could be way off, but the more I am attacked, the more suspicious I get. I made up my mind on 2 people, the rest are suspicions.

[virus90]

ate the apple aswell. tasted (golden) delicious

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

. The only one I would say I am actually "reading" is the one person with whom I am previously familiar. (already mentioned the name, don't want to repeat it).

Player if you are town then the onl way you have to commjnicate with your allies is here. As such you should do your utmost to be clear with your communication. Mention names repeatedly etc. Be clear.

[Metsfanmax]

She's talking about me

[Metsfanmax]

Also, I got an apple. Probably not going to eat it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

She's talking about me

Could have been me.

Surprised nobody is discussing your lack of inclusion in the circle of trust.

[ptlowe]

She's talking about me

Could have been me.

Surprised nobody is discussing your lack of inclusion in the circle of trust.

Im fairly confident he is scummering

[ptlowe]

BTW I left the apple

[StorrZerg]

ate the apple aswell. tasted (golden) delicious

can you play the game ?

you have made 2 posts since confirming your role, which was on the 5th. One for a vote, and a "shocked one"

you did make 2 other posts, about being busy, and an apple.

[StorrZerg]

As your one true god, i shall bestow a miracle today

[Iron Butterfly]

. The only one I would say I am actually "reading" is the one person with whom I am previously familiar. (already mentioned the name, don't want to repeat it).

Player if you are town then the onl way you have to commjnicate with your allies is here. As such you should do your utmost to be clear with your communication. Mention names repeatedly etc. Be clear.

You get mercury poisoning? You are suddenly misspelling, which is not like you. In fact your meta game personality has changed since we went in to night.

[Iron Butterfly]

Who has NOT gotten an apple.

Mitch knew about the Orchard as well.

No comments?

I think we need to make a list of those who eat the apple vs those who do not? I am not sure if that will help or not.

I tend to think that the apple giver will be third party as well. If they were Town and the apple effects were beneficial they would have no idea who they were giving to. If they are mafia they know they are not giving to their faction but if that is the case the effects would not be good.

My theory is that the crazy roles are third party who can win with any faction as we saw with Sausage.

I suspect Hotshot was an SK, which in a game this size makes his survivor status fair and reasonable,as anyone who has played an sk knows how hard and next to impossible is to make it to endgame and win. As a surivior it is easier to blend in and go with the flow, though knowing he was anti town right from the start blows that.

Mitch mentioned a postman AND The Orchard as well. He knows but getting a straight answer from him is impossible.