[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Endgame (1) - madmitch
hotshot53 (2) - WCmdrG, Endgame
Talapus (1) - virus90
virus90 (1) - Talapus

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
Deadline is the 27th.

[mtamburini]

Im back, I hate when people get re replaced in after death it fucks with my head with how to read into it. Is tal still are best lead for lynch>? I read he someone softed a protection role on wings list.

Was he the first person pressured today?

[Iron Butterfly]

if they wanna claim they can
one should be obvious. And i doubt either will be lynched today.

That is not what I asked.

Why would they be lynched and why would you not tell us?

So IF you gave a vig shot what in your mind is an except able body count?

[dd515087]

@Wing I'll try and be more active next day. Just for you

Ahem - he was just reading the forum!

You literally posted this 2 hours after I posted saying I'm back from my weekend away...

Would you like me to look at anything specific for you and give my thoughts on it? I know I need to be more active, I just don't know where to begin. I guess I'll keep rereading for now

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Your reads on the game would be a very good place to start. We'll give you time to do that as you probably have a lot of reading to do!

[StorrZerg]

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[StorrZerg]

if they wanna claim they can
one should be obvious. And i doubt either will be lynched today.

That is not what I asked.

Why would they be lynched and why would you not tell us?

So IF you gave a vig shot what in your mind is an except able body count?

as many vig shots should be used as i gave out.

Its important though that people are firm with their shot and it it known a head of time. No surprise shots.

[HotShot53]

Hmm reread the mars lynch.
HS defends him and instead pushes for GT(easy target at the time) maybe hoping to gain towncred when mars was lynched or hoping to redirect to someone more powerful. Seems like the play smart scum would make,but could still be he was townreading mars and honestly defending him.
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Hotshot id like a real read from you on who scum are at this point. Top couple of suspects preferably as several people have mentioned you as a strong candidate for todays lynch and yet youve only made cases for who is town,not for who is scum.
Everyone else's reads would be nice as well,so we dont come to indecision like D2, if we do ill be ok to lynch virus as a backup,better then hitting a townie.

I am still most suspicious of mets, and of you. I (and the lynched mars) tried to make the case on mets day 2, but no-one really agreed with the case, so without mars around it will have not much chase of succeeding today. For you, I don't know what to make of your claim, it does seem pretty overpowered. I would not be surprised at all if you are actually a SK. I haven't placed my vote yet because I wanted to give you a chance to say some stuff, since tonk didn't say too much. I have to go to an early seminar today so don't have the time to make the full case on you now, but I plan to later today.

Since it seems the wagon is now on me, and probably won't go away until I claim, I will claim now to save time... I am Perrin Ayabara. The reason I believed marashu's claim so much is because it's pretty identical to mine, I am basically a VT who only gets actions as a result of my day visit, although the only one I've gotten so far is when I visited storr d1. My win condition is also the same, that I win by completing my journey successfully. I doubted scum would come out with those claims, so I was almost positive he was telling the truth.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Who did you visit today?

[Endgame422]

Why is it important to have the vig shots preclaimed storr?
What if scum has RB,busdriver,etc?
If all 3 shots are claimed im sure we get only dead townies.
Case on me seems to be that my role is OP,hence i must be SK?
Consider that MAJOR characters like perrin and egwene are just VTs so im not really suprised at my dual role,as town PRs are seeming limited.
Why come out and be honest about GOTs NAs if im the SK?
Why would a SK get a RB as well?
Please tell us your dayactions though hotshot.
Id also like tal to tell us who he tried to save last night,despite being blocked.
On the topic of tal idk how he could be RBd doctor on a night without a mafia kill.
I guess scum could have targeted virus but idk why they would. And its possible we have a bulletproof/commuting townie but that seems unlikely to me as well.
Tal your very likely to die soon. Whos your best case for scum?

[virus90]

ok endgame, i dont get it... you say its possible scum targetted me, but you targetted me right? where is the clue that scum did?
and your talking about a bulletproof/commuting townie, thats unlikey. are you talking about me then? cause i claimed 3th party so that wouldnt be a towny, or do we have more bulletproof/commuting people?
maybe its just me but i found the post a bit confusing

[Endgame422]

ok endgame, i dont get it... you say its possible scum targetted me, but you targetted me right? where is the clue that scum did?
and your talking about a bulletproof/commuting townie, thats unlikey. are you talking about me then? cause i claimed 3th party so that wouldnt be a towny, or do we have more bulletproof/commuting people?
maybe its just me but i found the post a bit confusing

Yes its possible BOTH scum and i targeted you.
The clue is that noone died last night and if tal is our doc and he was RBd how could that have happened?
Either we have a 2nd doc,a 2nd commuter,tal is lying,scum targeted you as well or possibly wing is lying about RBing tal.
I kinda doubt the first 2 just because it would really be stacked against scum if town has that many protective/bulletproof roles+storr giving out powers so in my mind the last 3 are more likely,except i dont see why scum would target you virus as you alot of people thought you were scummy but i was just thinking its a possibility.

[StorrZerg]

@End because I like some people. I want reasons for the shot. Person being shot, deserves a chance to defend oneself.

[Endgame422]

I think costs outweigh the benefits personally if everyone claims it,but i have no real say in the matter and would be happy to hear cases on who should be shot from anyone.
Hotshot says mets/endgame.
My best guess is tal/mitch/HS
Wing thinking tal/HS
Tal only mentioned virus so far.
Mtam last read was on dd..
Dd probably wants to shot you still storr.
Who do you think should be on the chopping block tonight storr?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Thinking about this a bit more.

A claimed un-night-killable third party in a game we know has a recruiter. Thats a bit fishy. Additionally, Streakers fake claim was a minor character. IB doesnt seem overly bothered about the Green man maybe being in the game, so the role doesnt make much sense.

I'm not particularly convinced by Tal, but I'm not overly keen on prematurely killing our only claimed doc either. Protecting Storr D1 makes legitimate sense, not that we can be sure he did that.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am going to come clean then. I found it suspect Endgame thought I was cop when I had in fact never stated as such nor claimed.

I am the cop, though not in the true sense of the word. Each night I can check if someone is Dark or has been tainted by the shadow. That implies two different implications. It is also the reason I believe Tal. He implies he can heal disease while I discover those tainted.

I checked Tal night one,He is not dark. Could he have been tainted? I am not sure of the implications or how it works.

Gonna be away for the night with family.

[StorrZerg]

what about n2?

[Talapus]

I am going to come clean then. I found it suspect Endgame thought I was cop when I had in fact never stated as such nor claimed.

I am the cop, though not in the true sense of the word. Each night I can check if someone is Dark or has been tainted by the shadow. That implies two different implications. It is also the reason I believe Tal. He implies he can heal disease while I discover those tainted.

I checked Tal night one,He is not dark. Could he have been tainted? I am not sure of the implications or how it works.

Gonna be away for the night with family.

I guess the question is now with this claim out here have you found anyone that is "tainted".

After I tried to protect storr night one I did ask the mod that apparently since I'm such an awesome wisdom if there was a way to heal/cure myself should the need arise but that was answered with a definite no. But I haven't found clues to anyone being sick including myself so it is entirely possible these people are being turned and staying silent in hopes to win for that faction.

It means though that I would only be able to cure the ones infected and not the one actually doing the infecting, right? because that's kind of what it sounds like.

[Endgame422]

Pretty important factor IB.

what about n2?

So tal isnt scum,possibly cult.
Can heal those recruited by cult back to being town?
That doesn't make any sense if IBs N1 story about recruitment being optional,why would anyone say yes just to be switched back to town?
Or perhaps scum had a poison effect that kills the following day.
Could have died with streaker as his death scene even mentioned his cursed/poisoned blade.
Either way tal is off my list of people to shoot.
At this point 3 vig shots is seeming pretty reckless we dont even have 2 solid guesses, let alone 4.I may hold my shot and go with the RB tonight.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Hang on, so you get a choice between vig killing or roleblocking, and you (GT) chose on N1 to kill Endgame 1.0 and on N2 to try and kill Virus who was pushing for a GT lynch over Mars? That N2 actions looks like self preservation rather than scum hunting.

If Tal wasnt scum N1 then I'm no longer interested at all. I'd rather catch the recruiter than the recruited, so even if he got recruited last night no real reason to chase given the low chance of that. I dont understand how his role works, but dont particularly care. IB says he isnt a threat and thats good enough for me.

End - Those with Storr Vig shots can also choose not to use them if they so wish.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As a side note, I'm of to see my grandad this weekend from tomorrow, so will be a bit AWOL. Back for the deadline on monday though.

[StorrZerg]

Lynch end game. If he town vig can shoot hotshot other virus?

[Endgame422]

Yes i have the choice to RB or vig someone.
At the end of each day phase i believe got just hit whomever seemed scummiest to him.
Cant say i blame him. Given that or a RB most players would probably kill someone.
End 1.0 was under consideration for a D1 lynch and virus with the hammer on mars, both seem like fair guesses for scum at the time.

[StorrZerg]

Thing is, you vig 2x. Regardless of claim.

Sorry you rolled scum on your return.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Lynch end game. If he town vig can shoot hotshot other virus?

You have to give reasons why End should be lynched.

And if he is town, are you saying shoot Hotshot and Virus? If so why? If you suggest those three die then it makes sense to kill Virus by lynch.

fp'd I dont understand that post Storr.