Noted "Great"Ollie... [ka]

[KraphtOne]

Lol this is funny,reminds me of beating a dead horse, something I used to-do. But seriously kraft he has asked questions to get abuse from you instead of a simple response. I am guessing you haven't followed tourney rules. Any infractions of rules in tourneys need to be reported firstly to the to then tourney mods, if no resolve from this then a c and a. King a could of closed this the min it was opened but instead asked you to provide more evidence.

You're like a small child wandering into a movie theater...

I want to thank you for your attempt to troll, unfortunately i could only understand half of your broken english...

something about breaking tourney rules? i dunno...

ain't really give a damn bouts no tourney brah...

we play

to win

the game...

He wasn't playing to win the game, or the tourney, and clearing isn't playing to win at life...

I wise man (and clearly i use that term as loosely as it gets) once said,

Throwing a game is still throwing a game even if it was for losing less points, winning a tournament, a clan challenge, getting back at someone, etc. We do not want to encourage game throwing even if it means winning a tournament for you. Your competitiveness to win must always be present in every game. Let's lessen the politics as much as possible. If your not playing to win, let's not contribute in despoiling or in breaking the integrity of the game.

Perhaps the tournament directors/organizers can come up with possible resolutions for scenarios like this to discourage game throwing or any other acts that violates any rules.

[Coler]

So...what you're telling me is...that I can only attack you if attacking youis the best strategy for me to win that game...and I can't attack you if by doing so I fall outside that strategy...because that's completely straightforward to police.

Or is it that if I can't win the game from a given position I can't attack anybody from then on out in case I hurt their chances ? Again, I can see no problems here.

Or that I can't attack players I don't like without some independent validation of my strategy being potentially game-winnning...

I feel that someone of your rank and experience should be able to move on from this upsetting incident but I am, clearly, wrong. Perhaps rank/experience in CC is, surprisingly, no indication of any similar characteristics in real life.

Anticipating your likely response, I agree in advance that you have played and won many more games than I have, and are a better player than me, and in the absence of extraordinary good fortune on my part you would be very much more likely to succeed in a game of CC if playing against me.

[BGtheBrain]

Brah

[KraphtOne]

I will preface this with a reading from webster's dictionary...

*clears throat*

Intentional:
done in a way that is planned or intended

Synonyms
conscious, deliberate, intended, knowing, purposeful, purposive, set, voluntary, willed, willful

So...what you're telling me is...that I can only attack you if attacking youis the best strategy for me to win that game...and I can't attack you if by doing so I fall outside that strategy...because that's completely straightforward to police. no you should never be allowed to attack anyone ever, that's clearly the purpose of this thread.

Or is it that if I can't win the game from a given position I can't attack anybody from then on out in case I hurt their chances ? Again, I can see no problems here.And that's the problem, because it IS a problem if you cannot win but intentionally sabotage someone else from winning

Or that I can't attack players I don't like without some independent validation of my strategy being potentially game-winnning... correct, you cannot intentionally sabotage someone else's game regardless of them being a low ranked player or just because you don't like how their penis tastes

I feel that someone of your rank and experience should be able to move on from this upsetting incident but I am, clearly, wrong. Perhaps rank/experience in CC is, surprisingly, no indication of any similar characteristics in real life. i am in a tournament with this person. this is the 3rd game of this tournament that he has done this and intentionally sabotaged the game for me. i brought up a c&a thread about this. they said he'd have to do it more clearly. then in this game he waited till the 30th round and did it. that's a month of strategy. game was over. he sabotaged it. intentionally

Anticipating your likely response, I agree in advance that you have played and won many more games than I have, and are a better player than me, and in the absence of extraordinary good fortune on my part you would be very much more likely to succeed in a game of CC if playing against me.all bullshit aside, you just blew my mind dude. i have no clue how you got into my head but kudos. i'm gonna take it easy on you since you're clearly a smark and just get these others guys...

He sabotaged my game.

He did it intentionally.

First time wasn't obvious to outside observers, some lady said "will have to have more deliberate case to do something".

This time its about as obvious as obvious gets.

He sabotaged my game.

He did it intentionally.

This rule is considered a "major infraction"

He is a known cheater and pays a lot of money to play here with all his accounts...

They will have to decide if integrity or an extra 60 bucks a year is worth more...

A decision that time and again proves tougher than you'd expect...

[Coler]

Would you mind posting your responses to my post again in a different colour ? I can't read that cyan you used. Many thanks.

Edit : OK It went Orange now thanks.

Edit : Would you mind posting your responses to my post again in different words ? I can't understand some of your charming idioms. You should also read my post again but in a sarcastic tone of voice. Many thanks !

[KraphtOne]

Would you mind posting your responses to my post again in a different colour ? I can't read that cyan you used. Many thanks.

Edit : OK It went Orange now thanks.

Edit : Would you mind posting your responses to my post again in different words ? I can't understand some of your charming idioms. You should also read my post again but in a sarcastic tone of voice. Many thanks !

I read it with connor mcgregor's voice in mind... so you're good to go

[shoop76]

This crap has happened to me many times as well and its a totally crap move. Problem is I don't think they consider it cheating if someone does it once. I think you need to be able to show a pattern.

In this case, however, there is clearly bad blood between the 2 of you. If someone pisses me off, I too, would be very likely to attack into them in round 30 if I didn't have a chance of winning. Luckily I only have 1 foe and he has left the site, so I don't think I will need to pull a move like that.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Shoop, consider that in this game Ollie suicided onto a player who had gained points in the tournament and would have opened up a lead on the board. It wasnt random targeting. Suspect it has escalated in that tournament as a result of this report now though.

[iAmCaffeine]

Shoop, consider that in this game Ollie suicided onto a player who had gained points in the tournament and would have opened up a lead on the board. It wasnt random targeting. Suspect it has escalated in that tournament as a result of this report now though.

Krapht was winning the game, not the tournament, and supposedly this is the third time it's happened. I'd bet Ollie wouldn't have done the same to a player winning the game if he was indifferent or friendly towards the player.

[btown80]

So you treat opponents differently if you like them? Sounds like secret alliance. I'll open a thread....

[eddie2]

Lol kraft. Just looked at other thread,and tourney. This is a point system one so there are several players with 1 win and the rest with 0 wins. Your own admition is that you have won 1 and in good position to win this game. Putting you on 2 points. Remember because the game is to win the tourney as a whole certain games you have to sacrifice to give you a chance to win. Put the feud to one side. If it was any other player on one point going to win again and I had my stack nuked I would look at attacking the said player who was going to go 2 ahead of me, if I could see a player on 0 points would win. And this is what ollie did... Facts also are some tourney organiser's allow this type of play and some don't, you have not gone via the proper channels to report this.
1) tourney organiser
2) tourney directors
3) c and a report.
What he has done is borderline.
Could be classed as throwing a game plural. Or if he didn't attack you others could say throwing a tourney.

But that's just my thought on it. We all have a right to our own opinion and to say it, because you Don't like it doesn't mean trolling.

Ps think I only made 5 or 6 posts in last 12 months and they are in threads I created.

[KraphtOne]

Your own admition is that you have won 1 and in good position to win this game. Putting you on 2 points. Remember because the game is to win the tourney as a whole certain games you have to sacrifice to give you a chance to win. Put the feud to one side.

Yeah I wasn't just in good position. It was over unless someone intentionally threw the game.

And throwing a game is throwing a game. He isn't putting himself in a better position to win the tournament, he's putting 113 in a better position to win it... And whomever won the game, gabe I think I dunno... I mean how many times can he do this before its "ok you're not putting yourself in better position you're just ruining someone's gaming experience"

And I wouldn't call It a feud really. It's a cheater cheating. For it to be a feud I'd have had to have done something on the same level to him. All I've ever done is turn him in for cheating.

And they say "naaaaah not Ollie and waterman they're not the same dude" "you're crazy good looking but you're way off base here"

[eddie2]

Yep gabie did giving him 1 point. It is a tactic used in aa tourney you would suicide the closest person to you points wise if you could not win. To keep you in the lead tourney wise

[Great-Ollie]

KraphtOne can argue all he wants. His argument is mute after he intentionally took me out of this game Game 15743874. I was not winning, nor am i even close to winning the tourney yet he chose to take 96 men through a 26 neutral and then hit auto my 87 stack. So he intentionally took himself, as well as myself out of game. You cannot accuse someone of something and then do the exact same thing the next day and hope to have any credibility. KraphtOne is a whiny little bitch who continues to call out mods without any punishment. When is someone going to give him a little forum ban so we can all avoid his bullshit private agenda to get me banned from site? Grow up KraphtOne.

[KraphtOne]

KraphtOne can argue all he wants. His argument is mute after he intentionally took me out of this game Game 15743874. I was not winning, nor am i even close to winning the tourney yet he chose to take 96 men through a 26 neutral and then hit auto my 87 stack. So he intentionally took himself, as well as myself out of game. You cannot accuse someone of something and then do the exact same thing the next day and hope to have any credibility. KraphtOne is a whiny little bitch who continues to call out mods without any punishment. When is someone going to give him a little forum ban so we can all avoid his bullshit private agenda to get me banned from site? Grow up KraphtOne.

Yeah I had the troop lead and the only bonus. It's kind of bullshit that I had to hit you or else sit and wait 50 days and have you suicide again. It really is bullshit. Almost like they should have a rule preventing people from doing your garbage...

[king achilles]

Locking this report for now to stop the flaming and baiting and unnecessary posts.

[king achilles]

After consulting this with another admin, it has been deliberated that this case is a very subjective matter. On one hand, we can say that Great-Ollie was very malicious in his attack because he happens to target the same person who reported him of the same thing just recently. With the last report in mind, committing the same act once again was done in very poor taste as it can be understandable why KraphtOne would conclude he was really being targeted by Great-Ollie. Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?

On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game.

Although I think the first verdict looks more truthful, I still can't ignore that there is also logic in Great-Ollie's reasoning. I also agree that this will open the floodgates of people coming forward claiming they "had the game" if weren't for that particular someone attacking them and therefore the attacker should get reprimanded. For this case, it looks that way and the feud between the two players involved just gave a more emotional interpretation of the situation.

This report is still noted. Noted for what? To keep in record that you two have a personal feud and most likely one of you doesn't want the other to get a win when you are in the same game.

[Great-Ollie]

Thanks again kingachilles. You are a great mod and I respect your decision. Hopefully KraphtOne will grow up and quit wasting your time in here. Everyone on here should know I play to win. These settings make it look like suicide but my only chance was for others to attack bigger stacks in hope of giving them a chance to win. Just sitting around deploying and waiting to lose is not my style. Peace.

[KraphtOne]

After consulting this with another admin, it has been deliberated that this case is a very subjective matter. On one hand, we can say that Great-Ollie was very malicious in his attack because he happens to target the same person who reported him of the same thing just recently. With the last report in mind, committing the same act once again was done in very poor taste as it can be understandable why KraphtOne would conclude he was really being targeted by Great-Ollie. Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?

On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game.

Although I think the first verdict looks more truthful, I still can't ignore that there is also logic in Great-Ollie's reasoning. I also agree that this will open the floodgates of people coming forward claiming they "had the game" if weren't for that particular someone attacking them and therefore the attacker should get reprimanded. For this case, it looks that way and the feud between the two players involved just gave a more emotional interpretation of the situation.

This report is still noted. Noted for what? To keep in record that you two have a personal feud and most likely one of you doesn't want the other to get a win when you are in the same game.

You. Are a fucking idiot.

I remember when there were a few mods that actually played the game

Knew there was zero chance when your punk ass picked up the case. You've been tongue-ing Ollies asshole for years. You clear him and then they bust him a week later. You the same dude?

Piece of shit...

That's pretty much all i have to say about it.

Now how do I e-ticket to get out of the tourney I'm in.

Ollie plays more games in a week with all his accounts than the rest of the site combined so i suppose i understand...

Suppose i could just get myself vacationed or something...

Not sure how to do that though where i couldn't just buy back in if i wanted to...



"On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game."

Are there other mods still?

Do you see what this fucking asshole is writing? Ollie never claimed that... And it for sure as shit isn't true... Last round of game, He suicided...

And then within the same breath you say "feuds are feuds"

f*ck you dude lol

K man has joined his last game You and your lover Ollie have trolled away yet another vet

"Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?"

The lesson here is "if someone is cheating don't turn them in, because they can buy back and ruin your games and there's nothing you can do but quit the site"

This is genuinely angering me lol. Time to rid my brain of you two cheats and let you take pleasure with each other's members instead of in ruining what was once a fun place to play....

[Great-Ollie]

After consulting this with another admin, it has been deliberated that this case is a very subjective matter. On one hand, we can say that Great-Ollie was very malicious in his attack because he happens to target the same person who reported him of the same thing just recently. With the last report in mind, committing the same act once again was done in very poor taste as it can be understandable why KraphtOne would conclude he was really being targeted by Great-Ollie. Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?

On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game.

Although I think the first verdict looks more truthful, I still can't ignore that there is also logic in Great-Ollie's reasoning. I also agree that this will open the floodgates of people coming forward claiming they "had the game" if weren't for that particular someone attacking them and therefore the attacker should get reprimanded. For this case, it looks that way and the feud between the two players involved just gave a more emotional interpretation of the situation.

This report is still noted. Noted for what? To keep in record that you two have a personal feud and most likely one of you doesn't want the other to get a win when you are in the same game.

You. Are a fucking idiot.

I remember when there were a few mods that actually played the game

Knew there was zero chance when your punk ass picked up the case. You've been tongue-ing Ollies asshole for years. You clear him and then they bust him a week later. You the same dude?

Piece of shit...

That's pretty much all i have to say about it.

Now how do I e-ticket to get out of the tourney I'm in.

Ollie plays more games in a week with all his accounts than the rest of the site combined so i suppose i understand...

Suppose i could just get myself vacationed or something...

Not sure how to do that though where i couldn't just buy back in if i wanted to...



"On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game."

Are there other mods still?

Do you see what this fucking asshole is writing? Ollie never claimed that... And it for sure as shit isn't true... Last round of game, He suicided...

And then within the same breath you say "feuds are feuds"

f*ck you dude lol

K man has joined his last game You and your lover Ollie have trolled away yet another vet

"Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?"

The lesson here is "if someone is cheating don't turn them in, because they can buy back and ruin your games and there's nothing you can do but quit the site"

This is genuinely angering me lol. Time to rid my brain of you two cheats and let you take pleasure with each other's members instead of in ruining what was once a fun place to play....

Bye, bye. You will be missed!

[sniffie]

After consulting this with another admin, it has been deliberated that this case is a very subjective matter. On one hand, we can say that Great-Ollie was very malicious in his attack because he happens to target the same person who reported him of the same thing just recently. With the last report in mind, committing the same act once again was done in very poor taste as it can be understandable why KraphtOne would conclude he was really being targeted by Great-Ollie. Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?

On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game.

Although I think the first verdict looks more truthful, I still can't ignore that there is also logic in Great-Ollie's reasoning. I also agree that this will open the floodgates of people coming forward claiming they "had the game" if weren't for that particular someone attacking them and therefore the attacker should get reprimanded. For this case, it looks that way and the feud between the two players involved just gave a more emotional interpretation of the situation.

This report is still noted. Noted for what? To keep in record that you two have a personal feud and most likely one of you doesn't want the other to get a win when you are in the same game.

You. Are a fucking idiot.

I remember when there were a few mods that actually played the game

Knew there was zero chance when your punk ass picked up the case. You've been tongue-ing Ollies asshole for years. You clear him and then they bust him a week later. You the same dude?

Piece of shit...

That's pretty much all i have to say about it.

Now how do I e-ticket to get out of the tourney I'm in.

Ollie plays more games in a week with all his accounts than the rest of the site combined so i suppose i understand...

Suppose i could just get myself vacationed or something...

Not sure how to do that though where i couldn't just buy back in if i wanted to...



"On the other hand, Great-Ollie's reasoning that he only attacked the game leader because he wanted everyone to have a chance in the game rather than just sitting around doing nothing and let the game be decided early on. This is also a rational explanation. This is within the nature of the game."

Are there other mods still?

Do you see what this fucking asshole is writing? Ollie never claimed that... And it for sure as shit isn't true... Last round of game, He suicided...

And then within the same breath you say "feuds are feuds"

f*ck you dude lol

K man has joined his last game You and your lover Ollie have trolled away yet another vet

"Still, if you don't like someone in the game, will it surprise anyone if the person goes after that player he dislikes?"

The lesson here is "if someone is cheating don't turn them in, because they can buy back and ruin your games and there's nothing you can do but quit the site"

This is genuinely angering me lol. Time to rid my brain of you two cheats and let you take pleasure with each other's members instead of in ruining what was once a fun place to play....

You forgot to stamp your feet...

[Shannon Apple]

Go get a life, find a girlfriend/boyfriend, do something that doesn't involve sitting on your ass spitting profusely on your computer screen and crying about how someone on a computer game ruins your entire experience of the internet. It's a friggen game. If you can't get along with someone, then remove yourself from scenerios where you are going to end up in games with each other. That would mean that if one of you joins something first, the other should be the bigger person and join something else. Of course, we all know that neither of you is going to do that because deep down you enjoy winding one another up. And Krapht enjoys taking pot shots and KA and others. I just don't read most of his posts. He sits quietly on my lovely foe list because he is one of the more enjoyable people to play a game of RISK against.

[Donelladan]

Go get a life, find a girlfriend/boyfriend, do something that doesn't involve sitting on your ass spitting profusely on your computer screen and crying about how someone on a computer game ruins your entire experience of the internet. It's a friggen game. If you can't get along with someone, then remove yourself from scenerios where you are going to end up in games with each other. That would mean that if one of you joins something first, the other should be the bigger person and join something else. Of course, we all know that neither of you is going to do that because deep down you enjoy winding one another up. And Krapht enjoys taking pot shots and KA and others. I just don't read most of his posts. He sits quietly on my lovely foe list because he is one of the more enjoyable people to play a game of RISK against.

Shannon, they are together in an autotournarment. You were able to get inside this auto tournament by winning battle royales games during a CC event. They didn't decide to play each other, they just happened to both be good at battle royales freestyle games and both won entrance to the tournament.

You may not appreciate K1, but honestly having someone suiciding onto you for no reason at all after a game that lasted almost 1 month involving 18 players is definitely quite frustrating.

[owenshooter]

And Krapht enjoys taking pot shots and KA and others. I just don't read most of his posts. He sits quietly on my lovely foe list because he is one of the more enjoyable people to play a game of RISK against.

first of all, i don't believe in the foe list... second of all, how can you not read his posts, bra'?!! and finally, how can you not read his posts, bra'?!! and the guy above me 100% correct.... they didn't choose to be in the tournament together... the black jesus has spoken..-Jésus noir

[Dukasaur]

Go get a life, find a girlfriend/boyfriend, do something that doesn't involve sitting on your ass spitting profusely on your computer screen and crying about how someone on a computer game ruins your entire experience of the internet. It's a friggen game. If you can't get along with someone, then remove yourself from scenerios where you are going to end up in games with each other. That would mean that if one of you joins something first, the other should be the bigger person and join something else. Of course, we all know that neither of you is going to do that because deep down you enjoy winding one another up. And Krapht enjoys taking pot shots and KA and others. I just don't read most of his posts. He sits quietly on my lovely foe list because he is one of the more enjoyable people to play a game of RISK against.

Shannon, they are together in an autotournarment. You were able to get inside this auto tournament by winning battle royales games during a CC event. They didn't decide to play each other, they just happened to both be good at battle royales freestyle games and both won entrance to the tournament.

You may not appreciate K1, but honestly having someone suiciding onto you for no reason at all after a game that lasted almost 1 month involving 18 players is definitely quite frustrating.

Yeah, K1 unfortunately doesn't win any friends with his tantrums and his foul language, but underneath it all, his point in this thread is valid.

In theory, a player is supposed to keep trying to win right up until the end. In practise, we know that people often do give up and suicide, and only on rare occasions does this lead to a C&A case. Still, while one can be sympathetic to random suicides, one can't defend deliberately targeted suiciding -- suiciding into someone just because you have a history with them. In fact, I remember there used to be a specific policy document against that, which said something like "approach each game fresh, don't bring in grudges from previous games."