[Official] Wheel of Time:EotW [8/14] D4:Twisted Pattern

[dd515087]

Vote Streaker

My other scum read

[Endgame422]

@HotShot my reasoning isnt just to make a lynch on storr easier tomorrow(although i do think cutting storrs voting block down is a good idea.) I think anyone just blindly accepting storr could easily be scum just trying to avoid attention. Seems logical to me, to just agree with storr and then blame him if anything goes awry.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

did not know I was a slacker Talapus also did not know I half claim so please tell me who am I ?

You seriously asking this?. You've claimed your character in what i believe is your second post.

[Iron Butterfly]

Mets ill say the same thing i said to dd.
I dont like storrs play here either but he is correct that we wont get him lynched today.
Until mitch/HS confirm their powers tomorrow its giving scum alot of info and i think thats enough to keep 5 people off voting for him. That plus his block of 3 and the fact that if he is scum his team(2ish) will not vote for him either so realistically he only needs to convince 3 townies and boom,majority.
Its fairly scary if he is scum as they could effectively control a huge portion of the vote if even just 1 townie visits storr. But i think we will find out by tomorrow. If hes town and really is the candyman scum will probably want him dead before all of town is getting a "powerful town power" each night.
Also like tal said he is likely to get hit from both sides so he may be investigated/vigged/followed/jailed etc and i think the picture should be much clearer tomorrow,if its not(HS/mitch dead) no night info then noone visit storr and we lynch him.
We dont even need to pressure storr as he will just clam up "for towns sake"
Although your case(and dds) seem pretty towny to me i just think pushing for storr right now just basically takes more votes away from lynching possible scum and effectively puts storr and his voting block in charge of who gets lynched today.
Id rather lynch one of the people who storr listed wont vote against him tbh.
Fpd by storr

I posted this because now you post as if lynching Storr tomorrow is a forgone conclusion.

I highlighted the red for the simple fact that Storr's day action is all or nothing. You get the whole package. He is either telling the truth or lying about everything. So scum would only want him dead IF he really is the Candyman but NOT the vote man? Yet if Storr really is Town mafia already know that as a fact. Your whole logic is screwed.

Your argument is one based on fear and not one based on what has been presented. I have heard no mention of perhaps a mafia vote or even two could have been taken.

This post you try to say maybe he is maybe he isnt mafia while trying to convince everyone he is.

Then your last posts blatantly say "we can lynch storr tomorrow by no one visiting him"

Hmmm perhaps storr is Town and mafia hides within those who want him lynched....gee...possibility?? The only reason Storr is getting crap is because his day role is powerful...wouldn't it be funny if he had the night actions of a VT?

[Iron Butterfly]

@HotShot my reasoning isnt just to make a lynch on storr easier tomorrow(although i do think cutting storrs voting block down is a good idea.) I think anyone just blindly accepting storr could easily be scum just trying to avoid attention. Seems logical to me, to just agree with storr and then blame him if anything goes awry.

And this is the post. I hardly think those believing him are blindly following NOR are they avoiding attention. Who exactly is blindly following? You think supporting Storr is avoiding attention?? Seriously?

Ya know what... I am not scared to say it. I have been wrong before and I'm sure I will be wrong again but that is part of the game of mafia.

Nothing is ever 100% until someone flips. The last thing mafia would do with a role such as his is to draw attention to himself the way he has.

[madmitch]

@WCG I do not understand what having a drink aat the inn has to do with my role. @ IB is the candyman an actual role or is it a nick name you gave to Storr for trading with us?

[Iron Butterfly]

@WCG I do not understand what having a drink aat the inn has to do with my role. @ IB is the candyman an actual role or is it a nick name you gave to Storr for trading with us?

Are you really stupid or do you just pretend to be?

[Marashu]

@WCG I do not understand what having a drink aat the inn has to do with my role. @ IB is the candyman an actual role or is it a nick name you gave to Storr for trading with us?

You've claimed your character in what i believe is your second post.

Wing, I think I might know who you think he is, and I also think I disagree because of another post. Mitch, as far as I can tell, having a drink at the Winespring Inn doesn't necessarily tell who you are, but it does tell me a great deal about who you are not.

I can see the case against Streaker. I still feel like Mets is more likely scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

Whats the vote count and whats the deadline?

[StorrZerg]

@dd5 how would you handle the situation in my shoes?

[StorrZerg]

@dd5

Why "not touching mets with a 10 foot pole"?

because anything i say is tainted.

From my view point, all he has done is bitch and whine and fight with me. Hence, lynching him out of emotion isn't helpful. Ill be able to comment more about him, when / if he starts making cases on other people, and does other things. Till then his entire focus has been on me, and its just a fight.

[madmitch]

oh take it asy Iron, if a tree stump can be a role ,why not the candyman?? I am fairly new to this so I do not know if that was another name for a role sorry

[StorrZerg]

oh take it asy Iron, if a tree stump can be a role ,why not the candyman?? I am fairly new to this so I do not know if that was another name for a role sorry

Its because I made the comment that I was the candy man. Cause I hand out goodies.

Just playing off my role as the person who trades votes for items.

[Endgame422]

First off IB storr himself said mafia are likely to visit him to learn the truth about his power, im unsure if you missed that or are willfully ignoring it.
And scum do not know if storr is town. They only know if he is scum(tal/mars have suggested possible 3rd party and thats just as likely as anything). They do not know details of his power or his motivation. Thats why its not all or nothing. He could just be lying about his alignment but not his role.
You say its based on fear instead of what's been presented but what's been presented is that storr is going to run this game as long as he is alive and he is just as likely to be scum as anyone.
I do not trust anyone D1,and the fact that storr has duped a couple of you into supporting him and is essentially untouchable does not sit well with me.
And the fact that his day role is powerful is not the only reason he is getting any grief. The fact that he has said hes town like 15 times and his "making mitch/HS accountable" play just seems like a bid to gain towncred early on to me.
I know storr wont be lynched today,or probably ever.
That doesnt mean i have to like it.
Also i think deadline is 28th so we better pressure if we want to have time for a claim.
Looks like storr decided streaker so i imagine thats who it will be,but id rather tal to see if his claim makes sense as someone who cannot make day visits or if scum do not have day visits. His claim could at least provide game mechanics info.
UNVOTE VOTE TALAPUS

[StorrZerg]

End what's wrong with someone convincing people that he/she is town?

[StorrZerg]

Besides that you seem to rehash everything dd5 said, with out explaining why it's scummy. Just a bunch of fear mongering. Then you push Tal who I believe can day visit. Everyone can..

[virus90]

thats the point, tal admitted not to be able to day visit

EBWOP What did you do during the day?

As in my action? I didn't get to visit anyone if that's what you are implying.

and that was where my post of 2 days ago was all about, it became clear from his posts that he wasnt able/didnt know.
so thus my vote and the votes of others. cause so far i only know that tal cannot do anything during the day. or are there others?

[StorrZerg]

Wait so that's it? Lol pushing him to claim on that is weak

[StorrZerg]

Why are you still pushing him virus?

[StorrZerg]

@HotShot my reasoning isnt just to make a lynch on storr easier tomorrow(although i do think cutting storrs voting block down is a good idea.) I think anyone just blindly accepting storr could easily be scum just trying to avoid attention. Seems logical to me, to just agree with storr and then blame him if anything goes awry.

Wants to cut on my voting, by lynching someone who can't trade me...

[virus90]

cause i find it strange that as far that i know, everyone had a day 1 action. and probably all/most didnt knew what it would do, and talapus didnt. so that sparked interest and suspicion, into further reading him. when i reread his post at that point he had made no contribution/ gave opinion in my opinion. so i wanted to pressure him.
he then kind of admitted to not posting much substance:

this made me read some more posts of talapus, but so far he hasnt come with much opinions, which is a scum sign to me.
therefore: ill unvote (if its somewhere) vote talapus.

Hilarious. Because it's day one and I haven't formed many opinions yet as to who is scum is a scum tell? I'm sorry I'm not jumping on the meta discussions of some players but I just haven't played with enough of you yet to come to a meta decision...not that I would anyway. I tried following your logic in your post with this quote but ya got lost. I'm still trying to figure out what's going on in this game so perhaps you could cut me some slack as I am totally out of the loop on the story it self.

Wing claims to think he knows who one or two people may be and I'm trying to look through some threads to determine it myself but based on everything we have so far for this day I can't figure that out yet. So by all means, if you have more to go off of other then that and what has been said please share. But your reasoning is less than weak at best.

since that point he has commented only on storr/madmitch basicly and so, in my opinion he has so far not brought much to the table. + is odd for no day action. Which is enough reason for me to vote him.

[Talapus]

did not know I was a slacker Talapus also did not know I half claim so please tell me who am I ?

You seriously asking this?. You've claimed your character in what i believe is your second post.

mitch, it definitely speaks volumes about your alignment. This on top of saying you traded for an awesome power town will like is definitely more than half a claim in my mind. I personally don't give a damn at this instance who you are. Just really wish you'd drop hints less frequently than what you are doing. It's day one.

[StorrZerg]

Talapus, did someone visit you, and you guys had a private chat? Or was that someone else or no one

[Talapus]

Looks like storr decided streaker so i imagine thats who it will be,but id rather tal to see if his claim makes sense as someone who cannot make day visits or if scum do not have day visits. His claim could at least provide game mechanics info.
UNVOTE VOTE TALAPUS

First off, you seem to think storr has an amazing amount of power at this point. I think we have all discussed he only got two votes and he has been fair with how he has used them so far. So by all means if you have an arguement against me please make it because the one up above is completely wrong. I NEVER said I couldn't make visits.

thats the point, tal admitted not to be able to day visit

EBWOP What did you do during the day?

As in my action? I didn't get to visit anyone if that's what you are implying.

and that was where my post of 2 days ago was all about, it became clear from his posts that he wasnt able/didnt know.
so thus my vote and the votes of others. cause so far i only know that tal cannot do anything during the day. or are there others?

What is wrong with both of you? I NEVER said I couldn't make visits or couldn't do something during the day. You two are johnny on the spot to vote for me for something I certainly never claimed and this by far is one of the scummiest things I've seen all of day.

So, are you both listening. Here it goes one more time since you obviously like to draw conclusions as facts based on something that wasn't said. " I DIDN'T GET TO VISIT ANYONE". Get to and can't are ENTIRELY different things. But you have made this day easy. Because you two apparently love to draw your own conclusions based on skimming. Which yes is a great scum read. So now it's time to see which one of you I find more suspicious as it is one of you two that will receive my vote for the day.

[Metsfanmax]

Stole is a harsh word, they traded it. And I'm doing with it as i see fit. Making them accountable for their vote, they want to call someone scummy and would normally vote that person, they should be allowed to do so. Voting history is valuable information, If people just kept trading me vote to avoid being on lynches thats not acceptable.

Yeah but look at what you're doing. You already ran over madmitch like a train, effectively forcing him to "vote" for virus because he said virus was scummy. He has explicitly said he wants you to use the vote the way you want, and you're refusing and placing his vote for him instead of allowing him to place his vote where he wants (including not voting at all). And you're trying to spin this as though you're just respecting their wishes on who to vote for.

I'd be a lot less likely to call you scum if you would actually admit that you lied and are not voting the way they told you to vote. But you did lie and are still somehow denying that it was a lie, and my vote ain't coming off you.

IN CASE THIS ISN'T PERFECTLY CLEAR:

I don't need to walk around and force votes where I need to.

Storr says "I don't need to force votes."

@ Storr I traded my vote with you fair and square you do not have to leave it on Virus,you can put it any where you want that was the deal

That doesn't get you out of obligation. you will use your vote, or be lynched. You called him scummy, so i put your vote on virus.

Storr says "screw you I'm forcing you to vote." Note how he says "vote or be lynched" and them somehow solves this problem by voting for madmitch so that madmitch does not need to be lynched. This is just pathetic.

because it was an absolutely useless comment. Has no value of input on his alignment.

It wasn't useless. Not every post has to say something useful about someone's alignment. In this case, the point of the post was to remind people not to blindly follow Wing's flavor reads. I am fine with people doing their homework and trying to figure things out, but it was important to point out (in case anyone had forgotten or wasn't paying attention earlier) that he was one of the people who admitted starting with the same knowledge as everyone but Mars (i.e. zero).

[quote='Storr"]
Again you are not going to get enough, not even close to a majority. You need 7 people to lynch me. That means i need 8 to ensure i'm not lynched.[/quote]

Nah, at that time we only would have needed three or four votes for a lynch (not sure where we are now).

So the question is if storr uses his three votes and there is a mis lynch are you willing to forgive him for the mislynch? Should we forgive him? Does he now have a higher degree of accountability because he has others votes and votes wrong?

Yeah, of course. You know as well as anyone that I very rarely hold people directly accountable for a D1 mislynch (unless there is other evidence to go along with it), because of the high probability of mislynch. But, with that being said, that means Storr should be even more cautious with his votes for that reason.

Pretty safe vote if your mafia dontcha think? If your Town why waste it?

Besides Storr who are your other reads?

I don't have a non-town read on anyone other than Storr currently, and I don't think this is a wasted vote. If you all don't want to vote Storr despite the web of deception he has built, that's on you. Not guaranteed that he's scum but definitely guaranteed that he will lie about his motives.

I also don't know why you think it is safe, given that a number of people including yourself have called me out on focusing on Storr. Storr is the least safe person to be voting for right now.