[OFFICIAL] C9 Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!!

[StorrZerg]

To me it appears you are trying to hard to make me seem scummy

I do think the lylo comment was scummy... though I acknowledge it could have been just a statement of fact... we've got very limited information D1. I may be grasping for straws but I still see the lylo comment as a seed you were deliberately tried to plant.

I think you are 100% especially after I explained why I made the statement. ...

someone all ready miss read the set up, it's important that we all Become familiar with specifics so we don't get over eager and make a moss play.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Storr has voted IB too. So if none of Storr, IB and Endgame are Mafia, then two mafia can jump in and lynch IB.

Thats only a technicality though as it would be pretty obvious who to lynch day 2. Just thought I'd point it out before you say that IB isnt in any danger.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also with L-2 being only 2 votes, when claims come, I strongly recommend we only force claims with 2 votes +someone in addition wanting the claim.

Also, I think cop should claim tomorrow regardless of the check.


Thoughts on the statements would be great.

Personally, I think everyone should state who they would cop check, and who they would doc save if they are/were cop/doc. It'd confuse the Mafia at the very least.

[StorrZerg]

I don't have a vote out iirc.

I disagree with the timing.

Everyone claiming cop tomorrow with checks might be acceptable imo.

we gain nothing with mass claiming possible saves Imo.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

My bad. As it stands

IB votes Storr
Endgame votes IB

[Endgame422]

Also with L-2 being only 2 votes, when claims come, I strongly recommend we only force claims with 2 votes +someone in addition wanting the claim.

Also, I think cop should claim tomorrow regardless of the check.


Thoughts on the statements would be great.

Personally, I think everyone should state who they would cop check, and who they would doc save if they are/were cop/doc. It'd confuse the Mafia at the very least.

This makes sense to me.
If i were the cop my eye would be on IB,guess thats fairly obvious although i dont have any evidence against him except he seems to be just posting to post.
If i were doc id save WCG for this suggestion here
it could save a power role.

[Iron Butterfly]

Unvote Storr

For the record there was no case against Storr,*grin* though statistically it remains the same. For a small game with new comers the conversation has been fairly lively.

No lynch is NOT an option in a game this small as the only weapon Town has is its vote. A no lynch would give mafia a free night kill and we would be no better off tomorrow.

The only person I am fairly certain is Town is Endgame though I could be wrong. He is however my strongest Town read.

Once again Virus is mia. Get him in here or get him replaced. I want to hear more from slander. He says he will be to busy to post till Monday and then posts. This is a small game. Not much to go on and that is how day one goes in these games.

[Slander]

I didn't know that voting no-lynch was an option, but I can't imagine why it would even be considered by a Townie.
Why exactly did you even mention it, MudPuppy?
Blatant mafia talk then subtle mafia suggestions.

Also, when does voting for the first day end?

[StorrZerg]

Soft dead line the 18th (aka try to lynch before then)

No lynch can be an option, kinda depends on the case.
Also depends on the attitudes of some players. Some think day 1 is a crap shoot, so they think its better to no lynch than lose a townie.


With the set up, and not knowing if we have a cop (or even any power roles for that matter) Its preferable to lynch.

[MudPuppy]

I didn't know that voting no-lynch was an option, but I can't imagine why it would even be considered by a Townie.
Why exactly did you even mention it, MudPuppy?

It's been a while since I played but D1 no-lynches have happened before and based on Storz's lylo comment and my misreading of his response (I thought he was saying if we no-lynch D1, we still have 2 days 'til lylo... which I read as advocating for a no-lynch) raised a red flag for me that this veteran, who should know better if he's town, would be advocating a D1 no-lynch. Also, I haven't played with some of you before and don't know your experience. Some new to Mafia might believe, as I used to, that since we only have a 2 in 7 shot (2 in 6, if you know you're town) of hitting scum with a D1 lynch that we shouldn't try since it will leave us weaker than we were to start.

[Endgame422]

Im in agreement with storr/MP we gotta lynch someone.
It is a bit of a risk as we are statistically fairly likely to hit one of the good guys,but if we lynch noone were down 1 town tomorrow and still a pair of goons out there.
unvote Iron Butterfly
Vote virus90
Perhaps a little presssure will stop him from just keeping his head down(as he has so far)even slander whos never played contributed more than him this far.

[elonpuckhog]

virus90 has been prodded.

Vote count tomorrow

[Iron Butterfly]

Im in agreement with storr/MP we gotta lynch someone.
It is a bit of a risk as we are statistically fairly likely to hit one of the good guys,but if we lynch noone were down 1 town tomorrow and still a pair of goons out there.
unvote Iron Butterfly
Vote virus90
Perhaps a little presssure will stop him from just keeping his head down(as he has so far)even slander whos never played contributed more than him this far.

Virus has done this last several games. He is also very hard to read as he more often then not appears scummy with his posting. We have till the 18th so no rush BUT if he does not post soon I want him replaced. The sooner rather then later. Posting the last few days before night will be unacceptable.

[virus90]

hello world!
im most inclined to vote mudpuppy. it has been asked several times now but i still dont see any comment on stating why he said he was mafia. i certainly can appreciate bald moves but this is a bit too. and when asked about it so far he has not commented but only replied to setup talk, and if to lynch or not. which we can all agree upon, we should lynch for reasons mentioned before. i think enough has been said about that by enough people and the focus should be on who to lynch. (unless someone is new and needs some explaining ofcourse, please feel welcome to ask anything)

so ill vote mudpuppy for his "claim"
vote mudpuppy

then in response to wing; about the 2 votes on ib.
yes it is possible that mafia jumps, but its not very usual i think with 2 votes. putting someone at L1 is strongly adviced not to at this point, but 2 wouldnt wory me to much day 1.

[Slander]

vote MudPuppy

Gotta vote for someone..

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Indeed

Vote Slander

You cant just stay mostly absent and then vote for someone without an explanation.... Thats a quick way to get lynched. Either you're mafia, or you're town not helping us root out the mafia. Minimial risk lynching.

ps votes are supposed to be bold and red. (But dont edit your post, thats the greatest sin as far as I can tell)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also, when does voting for the first day end?

18th April - see title of this forum thread. Mod will clarify later this week.

[StorrZerg]

we can kill virus for skimming several different things.

2 vote comment, Doesn't seem to notice that there are not 2 votes at the time.

missed that mudpuppy did address the mafia claim comment.


First post back, brings nothing new to the game.

[Iron Butterfly]

we can kill virus for skimming several different things.

2 vote comment, Doesn't seem to notice that there are not 2 votes at the time.

missed that mudpuppy did address the mafia claim comment.


First post back, brings nothing new to the game.

Keep in mind his play last game as storr. This is par for the course for him. English is not his first language. I am not defending him by any means but that last game pisses me off *grin*. I just find it hard to believe someone can make such mistakes repeatedly.

[elonpuckhog]

Vote Count:

MudPuppy (2) - Slander, virus90 (L-2)
slander (1) - wingcmdr ginkapo
virus90 (1) - endgame422

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

Notes:
1) The "soft" deadline for this weekend can be moved if a consensus can't be reached and discussion continues at this pace.
2) I will be the sole decider on when players get replaced, if at all. I would prefer that everyone post at least once every 24 hours, but I'll take it on a case by base basis. If I have to replace a player, the deadline obviously would get extended.
3) Votes and unvotes only need to be in bold, not necessarily in color, although it would help.

[StorrZerg]

Standard is red bold for votes.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

My two cents here:

It really does feel like one of Iron Butterfly and Storr is Mafia. Not a clue which one at the moment.

I'd like to alter this to "It really does feel like at least one of Iron Butterfly and Storr is Mafia if not both" IB voting Storr early doesnt really mean much as it was never going to stand.

[MudPuppy]

I'd like to alter this to "It really does feel like at least one of Iron Butterfly and Storr is Mafia if not both" IB voting Storr early doesnt really mean much as it was never going to stand.

Can you elaborate on what about their posts gives you this feeling? I'm not disagreeing with you... just trying to make sure I understand your reason(s).

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

The aggressive defence of their town status. I just dont see why anyone is that bothered about being accused of being town at this stage. Its a barely tangible argument admittedly.

I was merely removing my assumption that IB's joke claim against Storr meant that if IB was mafia that he wouldnt chuck his mate under the bus, except that there was no risk of that with a joke claim, so it means no such thing. They could both be mafia, or indeed both not be mafia.

[Endgame422]

I'd like to alter this to "It really does feel like at least one of Iron Butterfly and Storr is Mafia if not both" IB voting Storr early doesnt really mean much as it was never going to stand.

So you think either IB or storr is mafia but you vote slander?
I mean slanders new and admittedly just voted out of nowhere against the most obvious target(Mudpuppy has recieved the most heat this far) but that reads uncertain/lazy to me instead of scummy.
Im with you that a lazy town is not a terrible lynch(ie:virus/slander) they could be scum just trying to keep thier heads down but id rather lynch someone who feels scummy.
Seems like your saying one thing and voting a different way which makes me a little suspicious.
Unvote Virus90
Vote WCG