Streaker's Third Mafia - Archive please.

[StorrZerg]

Strike likely mafia With the claim. Well see.

No more votes, I'd unvote if you are town. 1 wrong vote, 2 mafia hammer gg.

[virus90]

i already thought about that when i voted. BUT i dont really see how scum would quickhammer one of their own, so i voted strike.

well. to make you sleep better storr
unvote

[StorrZerg]

I think mtamburini death confirms me as town.

[virus90]

strike did you just claim cop and said you investigated me last night and i turned out scum? LIAR!
if you fake claim that, at least make it believable..

for me its clear strike is lying, since there is no strange role that can give you wrong results its a straight out lie, maybe its nice if we have a cop at all if he could counterclaim. but thats not nescesary if we can lynch strike without that
Besides i suspect there is no cop at all, so far we have had 4 townies turn up dead. all VT. which would mean that if there are both a doc and a cop they are doing a great job at dodging the bullets but also so far have had pretty poor effectivity. also since i know i am VT and i think i am not the only VT left, (which would make more then 5 VT) that scenario seems impossible. in fact i think we are with 7 VT. so mafia has a roleblocker, and guesses there is not a cop and a doc but 7 VT so its safe for them to claim cop, and i think they just did.
why dont i think its the scenario with 6 town 1 cop? because i know im VT and your lying, and i guess you thought you would get away with it cause you thought/knew the scenario would be the 4th.

But thats just my line of reasoning here are some questions and some game stats.

like who did you investigate n1 and n2? (and what where the results, apparently you found town n1?)
on another note, if you where really the cop you should have claimed end day 2 since you where close to being lynched. could have been you, why not claim?

and lets compare my and your game trackrecord:

day 1: you voted and lynched charm (VT)
day 2: you voted and lynched legionaire (VT)

me: day 1 i said i dont want to lynch charm, i was on legionaire. so well he turned out town 2.
but day 2, i didnt vote or said anything negative about him and i wasnt among the people who lynched him cause i changed my view on him. i voted you.

in fact:
we have 5 alive

the 4 of you still alive lynched legion together, i was the only one who didnt vote him.
and i believe it was hotshot, storr and strike who where among the ones lycnhing charm.

so im the only one who isnt responsible for any town lynching.
if im mafia i think we should conclude that mafia is just playing brilliantly and town sucks, but it seems like a big gamble dont you think?

besides that if i was mafia it would also mean that 3 confirmed townies where wrong about me cause:

day 1: charm said i was probably town, but well she said that about you 2... guess thats no good point then,
day 2: both mtam and legionaire said i was probably town.
i can quote them if you want but think there is enough text in this post.

so why would i kill mtam n2 ? he probably was the one most convinced of me being town. i think i wouldnt do that right? lets see who did mtam vote maybe he was a thread to someone? ehmmm maybe it was... YOU ?!

So: i can wait with revoting for some discussion, since discussion is good, but lets please lynch strike.

[HotShot53]

No more votes, I'd unvote if you are town. 1 wrong vote, 2 mafia hammer gg.

Yeah, throwing out votes before you're 100% sure could lose this game... we are obviously at LYLO.

With Strike's semi-claim it seems sure that either Strike or Virus is scum, but the other is town... we just have to figure out which one. Strike, can you give a full claim? Who did you investigate night 1?

Strike didn't seem scummy before yesterday, but that claim does sound a bit funny... and mtam's death after suspecting strike could be because of that (or it could be scum setting up strike, I've seen it happen both ways before)

Virus has always been borderline scummy, he was my second pick yesterday after legion (which it turns out I was wrong on )

Overall, I'm at a coinflip between them right now... not nearly confident enough on either of them to vote them yet.

Tinfoil hat theory... they could both be scum and busing each other, figuring that whomever doesn't get lynched today won't get lynched tomorrow and will win that way...

FP by virus... obviously he would say strike is lying, whether he is scum or VT as claimed lol. Oh, and I didn't vote for charm day 1, I was on legion day 1 also

[StorrZerg]

All cops claim today

[Iron Butterfly]

I think mtamburini death confirms me as town.

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How do you figure that? Because Mtam said you were Town and flipped Town? Means jack pal.

This is How i see it. We should of stuck lynching Virus as he is scum. To me Virus voting right off the bat like that screams scum and should be the final nail. All it would have taken is one stupid Town "yup Strike sounds good" game over.

That whole I will vote to save myself crap as well. We got more scum tell in the last two pages and a cop investigation.

If I had not of second guessed myself...grrrr.

We have several days to discuss. No one Votes. We decide by consensus as there are two mafia.

[Iron Butterfly]

Snd yes Strike you need to fully claim...I do agree that the timing is funny. What are the odds you picked both night kills?

[Iron Butterfly]

yup to much coffee....was walking the dog and realized @ Hotshot that they are not busing each other. One is lying and one is telling the truth.

First claiming cop and being mafia would all but seal a mafia loss. IF Strike is mafia and is busing Virus by claiming cop he would lose any way tomorrow as he would still be alive tomorrow. No way you keep a cop alive with three left. So we have mafia between those two.

Now from my perspective Storr or HS are mafia. If Storr is Town he can say the same for HS and I and of course if HS is Town he can say the same for Storr and I.

We now have mafia in two separate groups as they can not be both mafia.

[StorrZerg]

I think mtamburini death confirms me as town.

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How do you figure that? Because Mtam said you were Town and flipped Town? Means jack pal.

This is How i see it. We should of stuck lynching Virus as he is scum. To me Virus voting right off the bat like that screams scum and should be the final nail. All it would have taken is one stupid Town "yup Strike sounds good" game over.

That whole I will vote to save myself crap as well. We got more scum tell in the last two pages and a cop investigation.

If I had not of second guessed myself...grrrr.

We have several days to discuss. No one Votes. We decide by consensus as there are two mafia.

cause i never kill mtamb at night as mafia. I always win end game vs him as mafia, or let town miss lynch him while saying they are dumb. I almost never kill him period, only time i have was via a lynch when he was mafia. (last streaker game) And i wouldn't use this small bleh game to throw away this meta lol. (and he wouldn't of lynched me today so again, why kill someone thats going to ensure your survival in final 5 with 2 mafia)

So, it doesn't bother you that strike claimed cop, with 1 check 0 explanation?

[StorrZerg]

yup to much coffee....was walking the dog and realized @ Hotshot that they are not busing each other. One is lying and one is telling the truth.

First claiming cop and being mafia would all but seal a mafia loss. IF Strike is mafia and is busing Virus by claiming cop he would lose any way tomorrow as he would still be alive tomorrow. No way you keep a cop alive with three left. So we have mafia between those two.

Now from my perspective Storr or HS are mafia. If Storr is Town he can say the same for HS and I and of course if HS is Town he can say the same for Storr and I.

We now have mafia in two separate groups as they can not be both mafia.

I think i figured out the mafia in the other group, so that's nice.

I'm interested in whom of the 2 you think is mafia (between me and hotshot) and why.

Also, hotshots opinion on who is the mafia between the storr/Ib and why.

Honestly i think these questions have more weight than the strike/virus. Virus comes out of the gate on strike, which looks better than strike countering the vote with a cop claim.
I mean, i can't believe he wouldn't claim all the information. If he claims his check was on mets/tamb imma laugh.

[Iron Butterfly]

So what. Means zilch.

We have mafia between HS, you and I.

We have mafia between Strike and Virus.

Pros and cons for each. More cons for virus. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

Who looks scummier?? Who has acted scummier??

[Iron Butterfly]

yup to much coffee....was walking the dog and realized @ Hotshot that they are not busing each other. One is lying and one is telling the truth.

First claiming cop and being mafia would all but seal a mafia loss. IF Strike is mafia and is busing Virus by claiming cop he would lose any way tomorrow as he would still be alive tomorrow. No way you keep a cop alive with three left. So we have mafia between those two.

Now from my perspective Storr or HS are mafia. If Storr is Town he can say the same for HS and I and of course if HS is Town he can say the same for Storr and I.

We now have mafia in two separate groups as they can not be both mafia.

I think i figured out the mafia in the other group, so that's nice.

I'm interested in whom of the 2 you think is mafia (between me and hotshot) and why.

Also, hotshots opinion on who is the mafia between the storr/Ib and why.

Honestly i think these questions have more weight than the strike/virus. Virus comes out of the gate on strike, which looks better than strike countering the vote with a cop claim.
I mean, i can't believe he wouldn't claim all the information. If he claims his check was on mets/tamb imma laugh.

I beg to differ. At this point Mafias best ploy is to sew confusion. You are trying to put the cart before the horse. At hand we have two players pointing fingers at each other at endgame. Only ONE can be mafia.

You feel it would serve our interests to have Strike and Virus weigh in who is mafia among us three? I do not. Are task at hand is to decide who amoung those two is mafia. We deal with that and then we deal with us.

[StorrZerg]

No I want more defined opinions from you and hotshot on who the second mafia is.

This is obviously in addition to virus vs strike.

[HotShot53]

Well, looks like storr is on virus' side vs strike... and IB is on strike's side vs virus.... so unless something strange is going on, looks like one or the other pairs is our scum pair. As I said before, I can see the arguments on both sides strike vs virus. I thought virus was more scummy yesterday, but I would like more explanation from strike about his claim.

Between storr and IB, everyone has accepted IB as the most towny player all game. I kinda have to agree that he has been playing very towny. Storr meanwhile has been playing a kind of crazy game, just sheeping mtam and acting generally crazy, even more than normal. He hasn't really brought any pressure at all as he does virtually every other game. For anyone else, that would be sure scum signs, for storr who knows... but between him or IB, I'd have to lean towards storr being the scum.

So overalll, I'm currently leaning towards virus/storr being the scum pair

[Iron Butterfly]

No I want more defined opinions from you and hotshot on who the second mafia is.

This is obviously in addition to virus vs strike.

Do you think we should lynch the mafia in our group or the strike/virus group first?

We can ramble the next several days page after page wall of texts about which of us Three are mafia BUT it boils down to
picking one out of two vs picking one out of three.

At its most basic I prefer the 50% chance to getting it right vs the 33.3 % chance. Combine that with the information we have as well.

My opinion of you and HS is meaningless as I take what you both say with a grain of salt knowing that one of you will be lying through their teeth.

This is also a prime example of were your style and my style differ sharply Storr. You will very rarely if ever catch me saying I am "proven" town. Your meta with how you have played with Mtam is meaningless. This game is a blank slate. I believed you were Town yesterday. However the way Virus responded to his reprieve was one of the scummiest things I saw all game. That combined with his vote right out of the gate screamed scum as well.

So lets talk about the elephant in the living room. You pulled your vote off of virus when he was as good as lynched. I second guessed myself like a fool and followed suite because I believed you were TownsoI am just as much to blame. You have done that in the past as well I will give you that...I do not think It helped then either.

I think the best course of action is to wait to see what strike says.

[virus90]

sorry to hotshot, bout my mistake with the stats, thought 3 out of 5 of us alive where on charm mixed it up i guess.

well to question the course of action i think its obvious to choose between me and strike. a 50-50 chance is better then 33. in case you decide to do the right thing today tomorrow is left to decide who among the other 3 are scum. although i might have some ideas about that aswell.

Some questions for town to think about:

if i am mafia, did town play that bad that both lynches i was not among the majority that lynched?
And why am i so called scummy? is it because i wasnt able to get online for a few days? cause i believe that is what started people to believe im scum, since day 1 i was almost by all town read. or did i do something majorly stupid? day 2 i voted IB and Strike, 2 people who still are not proven town. i knew my vote against IB would be controversial, (hence also the bombshell comment of me) but both are not proven town, and i know i was at least right about strike. anyway what makes me scummy? my absence or my posts? (which/what part)

also a question: last game i was scum, did i play the same?

[Iron Butterfly]

Strike start posting!

[Iron Butterfly]

meh, id rather see a push on people that have 2 posts or less

Who is seriously going to post anything substantial. Legion is right in my opinion. This is a crap shoot and anybody stupid enough to stick there head up is liable to get it taken off.

I really have to say that that re reading the game knowing what we know now sure makes for easier reads. A lot more fun and interesting as well. Crasp certainly does not sound like a major game saving cop here. He also seems a bit defensive of of Hotshot.

I will be in and out all day and may or may not post till this evening.

But yeh this is a very very interesting lead. Coincidence that early day one reflects a suspected mafia pairing at endgame??

[Iron Butterfly]

Crap. I forgot that the deadline was at 130. Ultimately, I still believe charm is the best lynch right now. Shes spent more time today pushing herself as VT and her ice cream and not enough content. Identifing people pozting fluff as a mafia tactic has worked well for me in the past.

vote charm

I believe that is hammer. Either way she flips I am also fairly interested in Virus. Storrs lessened activity is interesting for him but I also find myself having come up with a lot of the same reads as him so I am willing to go with a slight town read.

Right after hammering Charm day one Strike makes this statement. I would think as Cop he would have investigated Virus night one???????? We end up lynching Town day two.

Also in re reading Strikes initial post after replacing Crasp He produces a wall of text that really says nothing but does a great deal of defending of Mtams read of Hotshot.

But yeh if Strike were cop he would have investigated Virus the first night.

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok Storr...here's my answer.

We lynch Strike today and Hotshot tomorrow. Strike for obvious reasons.

HS well he has really been just stating the obvious all game. I am embarrassed at how clueless I have been all game, which is the reason I am probably still alive lol. Mtam was spot on with HS on day one as well. In re reading between the lines I see what he meant. I can say I took some comfort on reading him correctly.

OK there's my twocents...tired of having conversations with myself.Off to play Dead Island

[virus90]

about the ib monolog: well i have not much more to say, you guys had to discover for yourselves who is right and who is wrong, think i said about all i had to say about that. but people have to find the answer for themselves, so tried asking questions that helped with that.
so who is ready for a lynch ?

[StorrZerg]

I'm waiting for strike to give a response...

[StorrZerg]

Virus90 who is the last mafia after strike in your eyes

[virus90]

are you sure you want me to answer that, i think it might be beneficial to us if we dont tell who we trust or not trust so that the last mafia has more of a blind shot.
lets say i believe player A is probably town, then maybe player A gets killed tonight because i said so. get what i mean?