Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[UltrasPlot]

Unlynch whatsausage for now

Rishaed, votecount please.

Would be important info...

[Zivel]

OK, I am going to express my case on dd5 because I said I would, and I still read him scum but information is moving fast in this game and I am a little behind

Day 1:
Rides the wagon on Ultra and tunnels him pretty bad, even after the lovers claim.

He claims lover third, with a claim of Romeo and Juliet and only being able to talk at night. Easy claim to make up, weird that they can only talk at night. Convenient for a mafia claim. Scum pair is third to claim, why would he claim? Well my guess is he was going to try and get an Ultra lynch, throw some confusion into the mix and try and prove that Ultra was the scum pair. He also gets a scum bud that he can claim town with.

New thought: what if all of us who have claimed lovers are town and this is just an evil twist rishaed is throwing on us... We could all be screwed
I'm tired and going to bed, I have gone through almost everything. Here are some general reads:

1.Hotshot53- leaning town
2.Pancakemix - Neutral/ leaning town
3.mtamburini - town
4.Streaker - not sure about you yet, going to have to go back through all your posts
5.Virus90- scummy
6.aage - town
7.Storrzerg - was town at first, but the more I read the more scummy he seems... going to go back through
8.Ultrasplot - scummy
9.Zivel - leaning town
10.Whatsausage - scummy
11.Army of God - scummy
12.Anamainiacks - leaning town
13.Crasp - need to find more posts
14.dd515087 - charming, easy on the eyes, I would have his children
(14.dd515187 was town, dissapeared. he played more active last game and he was mafia there.)
^ streaker's read from a couple days ago - decided to include it because it was the only one on me that didn't say "he's scum for being inactive" IIRC
15.Anarkistsdream - Neutral, leaning scum
16.Strikewolf - probably the town mayor honestly
17.Crazymilkshake5 - uhh... I don't remember seeing anyone with this name

If anyone has comments or concerns or would like to know more, you can reach me on this forum (possibly )

This was his first list and does not really have any information attached to the reads. Safely played. Note he has Virus, AoG and Ultra all pegged as scummy, this is after the claims. He seems pretty certain that there is a scum pair and he has pegged Ultra/Virus

It would be weird if they were both scum and lovers, but they were my top two scum reads at the time. What's possible is that Ultra claimed lover and then Ziv and I came in and made our claims. Note: we did not want our partners to come in and claim. Then virus came in to supposedly give more credit to Ultra. Suspicious.

The only thing that is adding up with what we know in my mind is that ultra is scum, virus would flip town, but his WC is for ultra to live to the end or for ultra to win. Having the "same" win condition would make them the same "alignment" even if one shows scum and one shows town right? I think that is why ultra and virus are so willing to have virus take the lynch in ultra's place, so willing to the point of ultra voting himself. This would be a way for ultra to be "confirmed" town, when he may very well not be.

i like the point you bring up about virus/ultra situation. similar to my view, i can't see why we would lynch ultra and let virus die if we have any doubt about them it should indicate we have to lynch virus first.

Absolutely agree with both of these
unvote Ultra
vote virus

He then changes his vote to virus, thinking he can now get a two for one lynch. He says he has doubt over the play of Ultra and Virus but nowhere does he actually make a case. The best I can get is:

As for Ultra and virus... Did you skim through everything? They have been read as scum for numerous reasons: poor reads, weird votes, calling each other scum and then coming out as lovers... Do I need to say more? I will go back and quote everything if necessary, but if you read through the last 4ish pages you will find everything on them.

Which is basically sheeping others arguments. He has not made any interesting or original posts thus far in the game.

The anark read is a soft scum one, aage is a much stronger town read. I'm not entirely sure why you are distracting from the main conversation of the day, but if my thoughts will help you then I will give them:
(not going to quote because there are way too many posts and most of them are long)
aage - I liked his reads on ultra and AoG on the 31st to start off. He really joins the convo and adds a lot on page 10 with more reads with solid arguments behind them. He is asked for his thoughts on other people's reads and he adds to the conversation on them and continues conversations. He basically has little BS in his posts and makes reads and pushes and has arguments to back them up. (Through about page 13 to 14 or wherever the lover topic came up)
anark - Also participated a lot back on pages 10-12ish but his posts have a lot less content. At one point he brings up something about the name of the game which was pretty irrelevant and useless. He basically participated a lot for a while but had little relevant content or solid arguments.

This is a solid post, I add it for clarity. He makes some good reasons.

Then he questions PCM after my post about PCM. Sheeping most of the questions and backing up me and storr with little real new information.

He still has Ultra and Virus pegged as scum and then turns his attention to AoG.

This is about the time that Strike has a go at him, and he doesnt really respond well, claims commuter with little pressure and only 4? votes against him.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, how come everyone is just pushing aside mtam's stupidity from the last few pages? He proved he has just skimmed and has literally added nothing to the conversation. He has just been barking over his obsession about lynching me but its gonna be funny when I die and flip town.

This is what scum say every time. I do it when I'm scum to. The thing is it wouldn't be funny if you flip town, it would be bad for us. Also, I'm not going to let myself get lynched because I didn't cast a vote
Vote AoG

Swtiches vote to AoG.

Baiscally his day one consisted of him sheeping the early wagons and then pushing Ultra, Virus and AoG, all three are now very townie. He was never the lead and was always letting someone else take the fall. Both strike and PCM put some good pressure on him but him being a lover saved him from that lynch I would say. Lucky he claimed it.

In day 2 he has pretty much done even less, sheeping along with what ever wagon comes along.

ALSO, somewhat related (and this goes for everyone)... but HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW WHO MY LOVER IS??? IT IS VERY OBVIOUS

This is the post that got me really interested though. He is basically claiming Mtam is his lover here.

I never said that. I would say that at the very beginning the mod said it may be unbalanced. I would also say that for all we know there are only 2 scum and the game is actually really balanced. Unlikely, but none of us know.

So you did say it....

1.The other reviver wasn't a reviver in the same sense that mtam is claiming.
2. Mtam read virus as town all along. Why would he cause confusion if he believed this?
3. Lets do some math: You believe mtam can save a townie (making him townie). Lovers are confirmed the same alignment by the mod. Therefore, what is the logical conclusion here? Oh guess what, I'm townie.

Why did you need it to be said flat out that mtam and I are lovers? You and your scum buddies don't want to mess up with your NK? Everyone else had pretty much accepted it at this point. Hmm... Scummy

Also you changed your vote to streaker and then to me within an hour or so. Why the sudden flip?

1. it was pretty close, not a solid case but something I would of thought would of got Mtam interested. But he completely ignored it. The fact that they are different is interesting. Why does Mtam get a different and more powerful role than Virus who is basically in the same position as you. Infact you are more powerful than Ultra as well and I am happy to say that you are both more powerful than my lover and I. Why the discrepancy? Doesn't seem fair.
2. Because he should of reconsidered his read, his read was based on all lovers are town, which is nice and safe for you two. Someone claims something like that should of made him at least reconsider what he was reading.
3. You math goes out the window if I think you are both scum. Yes if Mtam is town then you are town, and if you dont get lynched then we will know if you are town tomorrow anyways.

Storr, if Mtam is alive tonight can you please consider watching him to see if he has any visitors. I would guess that any visitor to Mtam tonight would be a mafia roleblocker trying to set us up to lynch these two.

[rishaed]

Mod Note: Scene is Scene Flavor is Flavor. I put in what I want, what is important, and write it how I like it. Like 5 of you have asked questions about the scene like Im your new goldmine. I get it, I get it, but please use your heads on the scenes. Its a part of mafia. I'mma gonna stay silent for the next little bit. If you have role questions feel free to ask them, but no more setup/scene questions. I might have answered some considering it common knowledge, but apparently it isn't so...

It's not common knowledge, since different mods put in different things in their scenes... some show everything important that happened that night (such as people being saved, etc), so people know things that happened, others just put in if people died, and are silent on everything else. Knowing which you did/will do can be a help in figuring out things, so in my opinion, to be fair, you should just post whatever it was you told strike wolf, since it isn't role specific info, rather than having us rely on strike's interpretation of what you said.

If you would do just a bit of homework from other games you would be able to figure out what the paragraph means. I mean Storr was sooooo nice to pull up scenes from other games i've modded, the night actions during that period of time are there as well. Its not like I didn't post them when the game was over.

Also VC:
Vote Count:

Hotshot53 (1) - Crasp
Streaker (1) - Pancakemix
aage (2) - Hotshot53, Streaker
Zivel (1) - mtamburini
Whatsausage (1) - Storrzerg
dd515087 (2) - Zivel, ArmyofGod

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is the 23rd.

[StorrZerg]

Mod Note: Scene is Scene Flavor is Flavor. I put in what I want, what is important, and write it how I like it. Like 5 of you have asked questions about the scene like Im your new goldmine. I get it, I get it, but please use your heads on the scenes. Its a part of mafia. I'mma gonna stay silent for the next little bit. If you have role questions feel free to ask them, but no more setup/scene questions. I might have answered some considering it common knowledge, but apparently it isn't so...

It's not common knowledge, since different mods put in different things in their scenes... some show everything important that happened that night (such as people being saved, etc), so people know things that happened, others just put in if people died, and are silent on everything else. Knowing which you did/will do can be a help in figuring out things, so in my opinion, to be fair, you should just post whatever it was you told strike wolf, since it isn't role specific info, rather than having us rely on strike's interpretation of what you said.

If you would do just a bit of homework from other games you would be able to figure out what the paragraph means. I mean Storr was sooooo nice to pull up scenes from other games i've modded, the night actions during that period of time are there as well. Its not like I didn't post them when the game was over.

With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is the 23rd.

Its not our job, to visit your other games and figure our how you host. You could have changed your hosting style since then, new things could have come up. etc etc etc. Old games are what they are, old games. It is bad for the game environment for us to assume things you consider "basic knowledge" to the game.
As far as what i did, that was nice. I could have lied about the information i presented, i'm not the mod, anything i put up in this forum is subjective and i could be manipulating it. Even if it looks like a direct quote, i could have changed it.
Secondly, playing with game information, involved with the flavor of a scene, there are certain things you consider "natural" to happen. Such as a kill block or save. You may even hint what type the killer is, you may do all sorts of different things. As someone who usually avoids playing this style of a game, (i sure as hell don't host games with game information in the flavor). You are giving "clues" to what happened at night, so a bit more information on how you do this would be great. I'm not asking for all details, but what can be expected, or what can happen.

Such as, will blocked kills and medic saves ALWAYS show up in some fashion in the scene? or is it up to your choice if you decide to show a save or not?
Is there anything else that you deem common that would / could show up in the scene?

[Whatsausage]

Here they come, and the only reason so far is a birdy... I figured this would happen soon, with all the people repeating me as possible scum with no reason given. Hear something enough times and it becomes the truth.
So if anyone "pressuring" me would like to talk about why, I'm willing.

Good thinking strike, I would've never considered that, so this more or less clears aog, aage, and hotshot of being killers.

So my targets are down to dd and streaker. Oh wait, mtam has finally claimed to be lovered to dd. So this gives some more credence to dd (at least for now, I'd still like to see mtam use his revival power to prove himself. If he doesn't, I say he and dd are suspicion #1 for tomorrow) so I will unvote

and that just leaves streaker... Probably where my vote will land soon

FP'd by strike

you forgot to include my name in can't be a killer...

I had done it in my prior post when I stated that you are almost certainly a watcher, and the context I was using to state that those guys couldn't be the killer didn't actually clear you, so there was no reason to state it there.

i'll throw down some light accusation. Day 1 you pushed ultra then virus. Then stayed on virus.
In particular i don't like why you pushed virus.

So to answer storr's question from a while back, today I would like us to lynch one of the lovers. My choice right now would be virus. With all the conspiracy theories about why virus can sacrifice himself to save a ultra (just a mason?) it seems likely that it is a bunch of phooey (e.g. they are lying scum lovers), ultra would gain a power from that, or virus would somehow flip town in hiding a scum ultra. All their stories just don't add up for me. Vote virus I know there is a chance that we would lose two townies from this, but I don't think they are and even if they are, we would really just be losing two almost-vanilla's that were tied together anyway.

you don't actually call out any of his actions as scummy. in fact just glancing at your posting, i don't think you mention virus actions as scummy ever.

Lack of activity, disagreement on reads, etc etc etc. nothing.

When I pushed my vote on to virus, it was mostly to do with believing ultra to be scum and virus to be as well by default. The reason for voting virus over ultra was that it didn't make any sense to give ultra what he wanted when I didn't believe him to be town, therefore, I would want to lynch his partner to lynch him instead of just lynching him and having him be saved by his partner and possibly gain a power. So virus was more guilty of his lover's crimes than his own. So my reasons for voting virus once again: at the time I believed a lover lynch was in the best interest of the town, I believed ultra was the scummiest (for reasons I've stated before), and I wasn't going to lynch ultra after his and virus's claim of reviver.

[StorrZerg]

Fair enough then, ill reread your thoughts on why ultra was scummy.

[StorrZerg]

the relationship of whatsausage and ultra.

show

Conclusion. I don't think your reasons of pushing ultra, are that great. Specially the timing of when you vote him. It really speaks more about someone who wants the claim, than someone who finds that person scummy. Earlier in the game, you kept "defending" ultra, or in actually not agreeing with lynching him over his choice of no lynch. Some people even stated "stop defending your scum buddy" I think this is where you started to change. After this point, you start going with the wagon, the wagon is all ready pretty large at this point (you are the 7th person to place a vote on him) Regarding ultras opinions on other people you do not talk about his reads at all, you give no thought or opinion on them. The closest thing you say is in regards to ultra throwing scum on those who called him scum, you don't actually look into the reasons he called some people scum instead i feel you sheep streakers push blanketing ultra reads as all scum.

[UltrasPlot]

Hotshot53 (1) - Crasp
Streaker (1) - Pancakemix
aage (2) - Hotshot53, Streaker
Zivel (1) - mtamburini
Whatsausage (1) - Storrzerg
dd515087 (2) - Zivel, ArmyofGod

Interestng... there's no real wagon building up. Seems to me like scum votes are scattered or they have not voted at all... as yesterday was very scum bandwagon filled. Now, mtam and dd are virtually confirmed same alignment therefore:
6. aage
8.Ultrasplot
10.Whatsausage
12.Anamainiacks
14.dd515187
16.Strikewolf
17. TFO

Highlighted here is a potential mafia team which actually makes quite a bit of sense. Streaker's claim of blocking me is weak as I had claimed no Night action Day One. dd and mtam could be scum lover and reviver (hence why mtam's power is unlimited). Whatsausage is yet to claim (don't yet... no need) but also pushed me for lynch.

The interesting thing is that HotShot and Streaker quite nearly counterclaimed each other, Streaker potentially hoping for a HotShot lynch. DD has been shying from proving his commuter role (which makes little to no sense... HotShot is claimed jk and if he doesn't guard you next night we have confirmed scum...) mtam has been... well... crazy. ALTHOUGH he argued in my favor D1, his argument was so ill-presented that it had an almost negative effect - all it did was give him pretext for not pushing Ultra the next day.

Now what do all of these have in common? They were on the initial Ultra wagon and the AoG wagon, with the exception of mtam, who called for an AoG lynch and then everyone took ex post facto evidence without consideration of why he pushed initially. At day end the quadruplet's votes were all on what are now confirmed town by death. None of them made extremely insightful posts.

Assuming this is true, the votes are 1 aage; 1 Zivel; 2 yet to cast. I suspect we will see a similar strategy today to gather a mislynch: Streaker pushes aage (he has already done this but the wagon lost its steam); mtam pushes Zivel until he slips (not happened yet); and the other two join on the wagon, just like before.

Consider this conjecture and see if it fits together well.

[UltrasPlot]

c. Extensions
An extension may be granted for a day if requested by 3 separate people.
Extensions will be for 48 hours.
There can be two extensions per day and no night extensions will be given.

Requesting extension

Two people post this too please. I believe currently HotShot is getting lynched, deadline is tomorrow, while this needs a lot more discussion and lots of people haven't checked in / made relevant comments.

addendum I: As for why I've shifted off aage: the above was an extremely townie move to make. He would not have been blamed in the event of no extension and a mislynch. It also seems probable that his role is true looking through past rishaed games. (I'm trying to find a votecount in early day two, expect a triple post)

[UltrasPlot]

addendum II: Hotshot53 (5) - mtamburini, Storrzerg, ArmyofGod, Crasp, Strikewolf
Storrzerg (2) - Hotshot53, Pancakemix

This is the early day two votecount. All of my conjectured scum candidates are rather inactive, except mtam, lynching HotShot. His position on HotShot has since reversed however, which I must admit is strange if he is supporting a scum Streaker. These candidates were also rather quick to pile on aage after Storr and I placed votes on him. I believe this may indeed be worth further investigation.

[UltrasPlot]

addendum III: Lynch dd

dd, I would like to hear your defense against this conjecture I have posted.

[Streaker]

@Whatsausage: I sheeped HotShot's vote, but I made a post on Aage before. I also stated I simply forgot to vote in the first post, and was relatively quick to adjust this.

Again, here also, voting me without actually presenting a case. You stated you basicly voted on me for sheeping. And now what are you doing?

@Streaker surly it can't be that hard to figure out why mod said he messed up. The order of who was first doesn't matter since the result is the same. Nor does it matter how he noticed the mess up.

Explain why anyone should be lynched within aage, hotshot, storr, aog.

I assume you will say that aage and i are together, if that's the case, I want you to explain what motivation we would of had to do the push on hotshot, and force the claim of 1 towns person, and claiming 2 mafia roles

Agreed that mod had to come out with a correction. Though it does matter that you were first, as that gives you some town credit. You have been adjusting your claim several times, and if you were to do this again after mod post, it would be more suspicious.

You list 4 people:

-Aage: made a post on him and voted.
-HotShot: I tried to counterclaim, which I should not have done. Still writing this off on over-enthousiasme.
-Storr: Unwilling to claim, changing claim as situation rises, several bigger cases by other players
-AoG: maybe it's just him. He always seems scummy. Not gonna look into him today, as I'd like to focus on either Aage, or DD today.

Lynching DD, I am reading him slightly scum. Though risking 2 towns dying is bad, I also risked the same with Ultra.
This lynch will probably be decided on 'is their 3 town lover pairs', or 'are there even 3 lover pairs'.

[mtamburini]

addendum III: Lynch dd

dd, I would like to hear your defense against this conjecture I have posted.

The conjecture is retarded, I think we should lynch you if cause your going to lynch a town and then prob shoot two other towns. Saving 3 lifes for the price of one.

DD and I are both town, we both questioned the shit out of eachother in our chat at night and the way he did it was he was suspect of me possibly being mafia.

Now vote sausage

UNVOTE VOTE WHATSAUSAGE

Because there is no sausage.

[mtamburini]

addendum III: Lynch dd

dd, I would like to hear your defense against this conjecture I have posted.

The conjecture is retarded, I think we should lynch you if cause your going to lynch a town and then prob shoot two other towns. Saving 3 lifes for the price of one.

DD and I are both town, we both questioned the shit out of eachother in our chat at night and the way he did it was he was suspect of me possibly being mafia.

Now vote sausage

UNVOTE VOTE WHATSAUSAGE

Because there is no sausage.

Is He ends up being town (which I dont think he will)

Then Ill revive him and prove im town and dd is as well.

[StorrZerg]

sounds good boys

[mtamburini]

sounds good boys

Hotshot should be on DD IMO as when I die there is a good chance DD will die as well based on my role PM, this may or may not protect him but its worth trying to keep another townie in this game.

[StorrZerg]

sounds good boys

Hotshot should be on DD IMO as when I die there is a good chance DD will die as well based on my role PM, this may or may not protect him but its worth trying to keep another townie in this game.

do you plan on using your power if whatsausage is mafia? (not on him obviously, but on virus) Or will you hold it?

[Whatsausage]

@Whatsausage: I sheeped HotShot's vote, but I made a post on Aage before. I also stated I simply forgot to vote in the first post, and was relatively quick to adjust this.

Again, here also, voting me without actually presenting a case. You stated you basicly voted on me for sheeping. And now what are you doing?

Not sure if this is actually supposed to be directed at me, since I don't recall saying anything about your vote on aage. Also, I never voted you.

Highlighted here is a potential mafia team which actually makes quite a bit of sense. Streaker's claim of blocking me is weak as I had claimed no Night action Day One. dd and mtam could be scum lover and reviver (hence why mtam's power is unlimited). Whatsausage is yet to claim (don't yet... no need) but also pushed me for lynch.

Now what do all of these have in common? They were on the initial Ultra wagon and the AoG wagon, with the exception of mtam, who called for an AoG lynch and then everyone took ex post facto evidence without consideration of why he pushed initially. At day end the quadruplet's votes were all on what are now confirmed town by death. None of them made extremely insightful posts.

First paragraph, I guess I can see why you think I'm scummy for voting you, but at that time only you (and virus) (and scum) knew you to be town. But if you want to put scum on everyone who voted for town on D1, you are going to end up lynching mostly town, especially since all the main votes on D1 ended up town.

Second paragraph, I did end up on the original wagon for you, but I never switched to the AoG wagon, so we'll let that be another exception. Again, I did end the day on a confirmed town (virus), but that in itself isn't a scum move, as town vote for other town all the time.

the relationship of whatsausage and ultra.
Spoiler deleted for time constraints, it appears most of the points are brought up again in conclusion
Conclusion. I don't think your reasons of pushing ultra, are that great. Specially the timing of when you vote him. It really speaks more about someone who wants the claim, than someone who finds that person scummy. Earlier in the game, you kept "defending" ultra, or in actually not agreeing with lynching him over his choice of no lynch. Some people even stated "stop defending your scum buddy" I think this is where you started to change. After this point, you start going with the wagon, the wagon is all ready pretty large at this point (you are the 7th person to place a vote on him) Regarding ultras opinions on other people you do not talk about his reads at all, you give no thought or opinion on them. The closest thing you say is in regards to ultra throwing scum on those who called him scum, you don't actually look into the reasons he called some people scum instead i feel you sheep streakers push blanketing ultra reads as all scum.

The timing and the reason do speak more to someone who wanted the claim. Actually, that is why I voted. He had been spinning his way around a softclaim that really didn't turn out to be true. Generally the desired result of D1 (imo) is that the first wagon (which is usually caused by a rather weak case, as that is all that can really be made short of a major mistake) results in a claim, and then that claim is either accepted and everyone moves on to (usually a lynch due to limited time, but sometimes another wagon resulting in a claim) someone else, or the claim is deemed to be worth the risk of lynching. So originally I placed my vote to get a claim, and then I left it on because of what the claim was. As the day went along, he became more scummy in my eyes. So I left my vote on, some reasons were in fact sheeped and others I was too lazy and assumed were implied (stupid thing to do yes). So at the time of my vote, I didn't believe him to be as scummy as I did after his claim and then his and virus's ever changing stories.

[StorrZerg]

in what way was his soft claim not true?

[mtamburini]

sounds good boys

Hotshot should be on DD IMO as when I die there is a good chance DD will die as well based on my role PM, this may or may not protect him but its worth trying to keep another townie in this game.

do you plan on using your power if whatsausage is mafia? (not on him obviously, but on virus) Or will you hold it?

I could bring bak virus

[Whatsausage]

in what way was his soft claim not true?

"You lose more than a vote if I die"
He claimed not to have any power beyond lover, and he didn't believe his lover would die if he did. I am pretty sure at that point he didn't know about virus' power, but even if he did then, all we would lose if he was lynched would be virus' vote. So from what he claims to have known (eg, didn't know he would gain anything from virus' sacrifice) he really didn't count as more than a vote.

[StorrZerg]

in what way was his soft claim not true?

"You lose more than a vote if I die"
He claimed not to have any power beyond lover, and he didn't believe his lover would die if he did. I am pretty sure at that point he didn't know about virus' power, but even if he did then, all we would lose if he was lynched would be virus' vote. So from what he claims to have known (eg, didn't know he would gain anything from virus' sacrifice) he really didn't count as more than a vote.

Lots of the claims came at different points in time.
first is true if he believes the normal definition of lover. Which at the time he had no reason to doubt since no other claims had happened.

Him believing his lover wouldn't die comes later when mod doesn't confirm what happens when lovers die, so this point is verified with 2 other lover claims.

So the progression of his claim makes sense.

You can't prove he lied about not knowing he would gain powers upon virus death.

How ever his claim of losing more than a vote is valid when he claimed it. Hence when more questions got answered his willingness to be lynched to prove his claim reality makes sense.

So with the information at the time, with what you knew and what he said, you pushed a false reason for his lynch.

[Zivel]

Ok so let me get this straight. We lynch whatsausage and mtam brings him back if he is town. Storr needs to watch mtam to see if there is a mafia roleblocker. Have you taken into account a mafia busdriver? Can we do anything about that?

I like this plan. It does not really matter who we lynch then. If dd dies with mtam we are sacrificing two townies here but mafia are going to kill them anyway. I will try and catch up on tue whatsausage case today.

Lets hope I am not right about a dd/mtam scum pair.

[StorrZerg]

Ok so let me get this straight. We lynch whatsausage and mtam brings him back if he is town. Storr needs to watch mtam to see if there is a mafia roleblocker. Have you taken into account a mafia busdriver? Can we do anything about that?

I like this plan. It does not really matter who we lynch then. If dd dies with mtam we are sacrificing two townies here but mafia are going to kill them anyway. I will try and catch up on tue whatsausage case today.

Lets hope I am not right about a dd/mtam scum pair.

still a bunch of uncertainty with whats going on. so we can't exactly telegraph what should be done.
Just pointing out, mafia could block tamb, and i could die, thus this would prevent any information from being gathered.

alt. its possible that mafia might have a power that evades /watch/track.

Now, i will try to make the best decision with my action, and everyone else should as well, so having "guidelines" in place i think is acceptable. Since we should also be accounting for the event of a mafia flip today.

[strike wolf]

Alright it took me a long time but I got my thoughts down on Whatsausage. I quoted almost every post so I will spoiler tag it so people can quickly read past it when going back through. That said I strongly encourage everyone to at least read it once:

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So overall feelings towards Whatsausage, after a reread, I am fairly confident in saying that he should be lynched. He has really only pressured one person today and that was someone I have already mentioned would probably be a reasonably safe scum wagon. He has often avoided citing actual reasons to go along with the game mechanics that he cites as reason for suspecting people and his overall play has been lackluster since about mid day 1, ending day 1 on a somewhat iffy stance. I hate to vote someone over something that may be mostly due to inactivity when I am guilty of that myself but I think this is more than just about his inactivity (as I said earlier in the spoilers, unlike most of the inactives who at least tried to put pressure on some of the cases presented today, Whatsausage for a large portion of this day did not even seem to try to actually press anyone.)

It would appear that I won't be the hammer but would put WhatSausage at the top of the voting pile so:

Vote Whatsausage