Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[dd515087]

I've received confirmation that lovers are the same alignment. I also asked if both would die and I was told that that couldn't be answered. Not sure how to take that yet.
Ultra and virus can apparently talk in a QT during the day, where I can not. @ziv can you and your lover? If ziv says only night it makes me think Ultra and virus are scum and are talking in that QT, not their lover QT.
Ultra advocating a lynch on himself is weird. I have a a feeling that we are not being told the full extent of the power.

[dd515087]

We lynch dd tomorrow for having differing opinions of two different lover pair ccs, lol

What're you going on about? I just got confirmation that my lover and I are both town

[mtamburini]

Unvote dd
Lynch Ultra
Best course of action.

Of course, this is assuming we have a bg to keep me alive til tomorrow.

f*ck that shit, if your town lets just lynch mafia then, no need to prove yourself only for you to die again

[aage]

aage your vote is still on virus

Get a hold of the full picture here, mate.

Problem #1
You claim to have absolutely no powers other than being a lover. All other lovers so far have an additional power. You are talking to your lover during daytime. Dd can only talk at night. That makes you the most scummy lover of them all.

Problem #2
Being the most scummy lover, I would like to have you die to the lynch tonight, but you claim that won't happen. Lynching Virus will get you co-lynched.

Problem #3
Virus apparently bites a bullet for you if you ever die (in whatever fashion? Does he protect you from night actions too?), however Virus said

im pretty sure we dont both die if we (referrring to me OR ultra) gets killed.

which suggests it works both ways. Therefore you shouldn't have to be afraid, unless your lover is lying in which case I'd very much like to lynch him.

Problem #4

i kind of think the other lovers can confirm this

I kind of think it's a weird ass mechanic that I've never seen before. I've heard of Strong Lovers, but this works the other way around. If Zivel had a non-standard Lover role, I think he would have mentioned it. Dd firmly denies having this.

Problem #5
You're very willing to let your mod-confirmed townie die just so that you can prove yourself.

The only counter-problem is that we lose two scummy townies with no powers if you speak truthfully.

Sigh. I really believe you're both lying about your role... but I guess I'll go ahead and follow the pro-towny plan rather than the anti-mafia plan.
unvote
Not revoting to avoid quickhammer, seeing as Ultra voted himself....

[StorrZerg]

We have lairs....

Confirmed death with another, non confirmed death. And "mod can't say"

[Anarkistsdream]

Hey everyone... Sorry, had some really bad family stuff happen... Later on this evening, I will finally be able to get on here and post again.

[Zivel]

Cant put to much on paper now, but will be back in hour or so to have a full read get something more substantial down. But quickly, me and my lover can talk during the day, we have been yabbering away, actually quite proud of our QT. Also not 100% sure we both die together..... It is what a lover is and I have been called a lover in my PM but it is not explicit and the Mod is non committal.

[dd515087]

We have lairs....

Confirmed death with another, non confirmed death. And "mod can't say"

No one confirmed or didn't confirm that they wouldn't both die. Ultra and Virus have a special ability apparently that will allow them to save the other. Ziv and I both know how normal lovers work, but are not sure if that is how it will work in a game with this many pairs. I went and reread my role PM, I can only talk to my lover at night and it's based on the pair of lovers we are and our backstory that was provided

[crasp]

Would like to hear from more people. I know more than the 7 or so who have been commenting on this have been online and this is easily the most important conversation going on to date.

Probably as bamboozled as i am by all of this.My understanding of lovers is that if one dies so does the other. thats the whole point of them.I have never had this role or any real experience of games with them in or of them having additional roles.
Masons I have had experience in but I was never told the affilliation of my brothers, in fact the one time I did know was because I was scum so knew that they werent.
As far as six lovers, or three pairs they cant all be town. If there is a serial killer this could wipe out more tham half of town first day. For me the safe bet is lynch either Ultra or virus because if they are telling the truth then we will only lose one.

[HotShot53]

Well, this has been an interesting day to read... usually lovers die if the other dies, but apparently virus can give his life to save ultra instead (and the mod wouldn't confirm that both lovers always die, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case). Since apparently lovers are confirmed by the mod to be the same faction, it wouldn't surprise me if 2 pairs are town, and 1 pair is scum, just to make things more even. Since I already was suspicious of both ultra and virus, obviously I would suspect that they are the scum pair. What doesn't make sense is ultra agreeing (and voting) to lynch himself, saying virus would save him and come up town, proving ultra is also town... because obviously if virus came up scum then ultra would just get lynched tomorrow. Or maybe it's just a last-ditched effort to stop people from switching to virus, so that it takes 2 days to lynch both of them instead of just 1.

To ultra and virus, what are the names you were given in your role PM's? I always like to see names with full claims, especially when they have back stories, etc... it can help prove (or disprove) claims.

I don't want to speed lynch ultra, so I will leave my vote on virus at this point.

[Zivel]

Unvote dd
Lynch Ultra
Best course of action.

Of course, this is assuming we have a bg to keep me alive til tomorrow.

f*ck that shit, if your town lets just lynch mafia then, no need to prove yourself only for you to die again

Great contribution from you after your break. Who shall we lynch then?

We have lairs....

Confirmed death with another, non confirmed death. And "mod can't say"

Not 100% sure on this, it could be all legit. The game could have 3 pairs of town lovers. For it to be balance there would have to be a fair bit of protection on towns side though. I can actually see Ultras point, what we need to know is what is going on in this game and if there is any lying going on. If Ultra believes that his lynch will result in only only town death then maybe its worth it for the knowledge and there is the chance he is scum and trying to deceive.

Want to hear more from others. PCM what is your read on all this?

[dd515087]

To ultra and virus, what are the names you were given in your role PM's? I always like to see names with full claims, especially when they have back stories, etc... it can help prove (or disprove) claims.

Ooh I didn't think of that. Based on my name, if my lover dies or I die then the other will die as well. (Or if I recall the story correctly it's possible that if one of us dies the other won't but if the other dies both will)
Also because not in all cases will both lovers die could be the reason that the mod didn't answer the question

[mtamburini]

Unvote dd
Lynch Ultra
Best course of action.

Of course, this is assuming we have a bg to keep me alive til tomorrow.

f*ck that shit, if your town lets just lynch mafia then, no need to prove yourself only for you to die again

Great contribution from you after your break. Who shall we lynch then?

We have lairs....

Confirmed death with another, non confirmed death. And "mod can't say"

Not 100% sure on this, it could be all legit. The game could have 3 pairs of town lovers. For it to be balance there would have to be a fair bit of protection on towns side though. I can actually see Ultras point, what we need to know is what is going on in this game and if there is any lying going on. If Ultra believes that his lynch will result in only only town death then maybe its worth it for the knowledge and there is the chance he is scum and trying to deceive.

Want to hear more from others. PCM what is your read on all this?

The people I wanted to lynch claimed mason and I believe them so that leaves TFO who replaced crazy.

[Zivel]

Unvote dd
Lynch Ultra
Best course of action.

Of course, this is assuming we have a bg to keep me alive til tomorrow.

f*ck that shit, if your town lets just lynch mafia then, no need to prove yourself only for you to die again

Great contribution from you after your break. Who shall we lynch then?

We have lairs....

Confirmed death with another, non confirmed death. And "mod can't say"

Not 100% sure on this, it could be all legit. The game could have 3 pairs of town lovers. For it to be balance there would have to be a fair bit of protection on towns side though. I can actually see Ultras point, what we need to know is what is going on in this game and if there is any lying going on. If Ultra believes that his lynch will result in only only town death then maybe its worth it for the knowledge and there is the chance he is scum and trying to deceive.

Want to hear more from others. PCM what is your read on all this?

The people I wanted to lynch claimed mason and I believe them so that leaves TFO who replaced crazy.

So you believe them then?

[StorrZerg]

So you honestly believe all 6 are town.... out of 3 lover pairs...

Ive got a feeling, at least one lover pair is 3rd party and 1 I'd mafia.

And maybe we have more....

[mtamburini]

So you honestly believe all 6 are town.... out of 3 lover pairs...

Ive got a feeling, at least one lover pair is 3rd party and 1 I'd mafia.

And maybe we have more....

Ultra wants to self sacrifice himself to prove himself, thats retarded if hes mafia or 3rd party.

The first CC might be the most scummy of the 3 if there is any,
DD counter counter claiming is the most towny.

[StorrZerg]

Why , zivel looks really town for his cc.

Ultra hasn't claimed his power

[HotShot53]

Why , zivel looks really town for his cc.

Ultra hasn't claimed his power

Ultra claimed he was vanilla otherwise, other than virus could save him by virus dying instead.

[mtamburini]

Why , zivel looks really town for his cc.

Ultra hasn't claimed his power

I dont think Zivel is scummy, I said his claim is the scummiest of the 3 if I had to pick one but I think all 3 lovers are town.

[StorrZerg]

Yet he came forward that he wasn't just lover. And his papartner has another power. Dd confirmed that too. Ultra claimed just miller yet virus can save him.

Virus can you save anyone? Or just ultra.

[strike wolf]

Yeah I dont get the logic here. It doesnt really make much sense to me for Zivel as scum to counter claim Ultra) so I dont get where Mtam is coming from with his logic. Where did Virus say that both he and Ultra would die if Virus was lynched? I thought he had said differently in that they dont die together.

[mtamburini]

Yeah I dont get the logic here. It doesnt really make much sense to me for Zivel as scum to counter claim Ultra) so I dont get where Mtam is coming from with his logic. Where did Virus say that both he and Ultra would die if Virus was lynched? I thought he had said differently in that they dont die together.

I would expect mafia to cc to get a 2 for 1 lynch and an extra NK but I dont think any of the 3 claims are scummy and are all town.

[StorrZerg]

Yeah I dont get the logic here. It doesnt really make much sense to me for Zivel as scum to counter claim Ultra) so I dont get where Mtam is coming from with his logic. Where did Virus say that both he and Ultra would die if Virus was lynched? I thought he had said differently in that they dont die together.

Specially a cc and claims both of them have power roles.
this whole uncertainty of the roles is a bunch of crap too.

Not being certain they are connected until death....

[crasp]

Am I totally misreading this. My understanding is that virus can bring Ultra back but dies if he does. But if they are lovers and we kill ultra then virus may or may not die and virus can bring him back. however if wwe kill virus both die. This sounds like a load of bull to me.

[UltrasPlot]

DO NOT lynch Virus. Lynching me has the same effect except I do not die. Anyone lynching Virus from now on is pretty obviously scum.