Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[Whatsausage]

FYI: Town loses more than a vote if I die.

Not sure if softclaim just meaning non-vanilla or more specific to multiple votes.

As I said in my previous post, it's an NV game. I don't see the value of this comment, it just seems to be laying a foundation for Ultra to get off the block. Is your town read of him so strong?
This post adds up to the red flag I discussed earlier concerning Whatsausage and Ultra.

I guess I should've worded it "Are you claiming just to be nonvanilla, or are you actually talking more directly about votes?" Not sure why you felt the need to reference your previous post (which was after this quote) besides to build up your town cred. "Look everyone, I noticed that this game in non-vanilla!" I was in no way trying to get ultra off the block. Not really sure how you got that out of what I said besides possibly the wording. I was looking for him to expound on that soft-claim to see of it was truly a pointless claim like you say. (That would be the "value of my comment") I don't have a strong town read on him, in fact I am leaning scum. I don't believe his no-lynch vote is alignment indicative, because I believe that he believes a no-lynch D1 is best for town. However, his defense of himself has been rather lacking. As has been summed up before, he really just tried to point scum on nearly everyone who voted him. If the day ended tomorrow, I would be voting for him, but luckily we have 6 days left (more than half of our time) to search for more.

As far as me buddying up with him, you have this and me joking in response to a joke? (you may not have seen zivel's post that way, but I did.)

@UltrasPlot if i claimed VT would i be a decent lynch for today?

Yes. There are no VTs.

Again you feel the need to point out that you know the game is non-vanilla, even though the question was not directed at you. I feel like this (answering a trapping question for him) is closer to helping out ultra than anything I did.

[strike wolf]

I'd really like to see a vote from you, I honestly don't feel there is enough pressure on the board to make anyone react tbh

He just voted ultra....

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

Pancakemix (2) - Storrzerg, Zivel
Virus90 (1) - Hotshot53
Storrzerg (1) - Anarkistsdream
Ultrasplot (3) - Streaker, aage, dd515087
Crasp (1) - Crazymilkshake5
dd515087 (1) - Ultrasplot
Anarkistsdream (1) - Strikewolf
NoLynch (1) - ArmyofGod

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is Nov. 8th.

[rishaed]

Prods sent to : Crazymilkshake5 and dd515

[virus90]

Well here i am again, last post was a drunky aswell, think it came out pretty reasonable. im actually quiet pleased about it .. lol

anyway. in response to aage post sat 1 nov 3.34pm (not sure if its same in all timezones)
you dont have to excuse yourself or anyone for voting me for inactivity, its fair enough a reason.


Aage: my opinion on aage is the following: at the moment i have a (strong) pro town read on him, although i dont agree on all his reads in his latest posts, in my opinion his arguments and posts contribute very well. Little bullshit, good argumented opinions, i like it.
Anamaniacks: if i would have to say it now im leaning more to mafia with him then town, he has contributed in some posts but in my opinion low on content, just talking about mechanics, statistics etc, not much in the opinions departement.
Anarkist: neutral at the moment, would say more pro town actualy, but thats a soft read, mostly just feeling based.
Army of God: neutral, said something bout statistics not much more, likes a no lynch, ok. i dont particularly like a no lynch day 1, since in my opinion a mislynch is not nescesarily a waste, but well anyone may have a oppinion.
crasp: neutral, bit about this, bit about that, seems to chatter along with the rest, nothing really odd posted.
crazy milkshakes: posted to little. (me 2 i know)
DD: kind of same as crazy milkshakes but more posts -> less content. so more scummy
hotshot: goes for the easy targets in my opinion: Ultra, Me, there for would lean more scum then town.
mtam: just being himself.
PCM: neutral,
storr: just being himself 2. im kind of lost on mtam and storr always, so put them on neutral for now, they just talk so much that its harder to make a pro-town or anti-town read out of them.
streaker: in my opinion not playing a very strong game, posted some cynical/sarcastic posts not much content, and one post with reads which are just Neutral/scum/town, without much information at all. wants ultra dead, is making a case on him, see ultra for my opinion on ultra. so basicly i would lean scum on streaker more then town. he is participating but i either disagree or think its not much content so..
Strike wolf: on first thought pro town feeling, think he says what he wants, not much bullshit (when not drunk ) and makes sense in his opinions.
Ultra: I think it would be rather dumb for mafia to advocate a no lynch day 1 as its certain to gain discussion. (although it would be brilliant counterlogic, if so NICE! ) also i think he is contributing nicely and countering the votes / discussion pretty nicely. pro town feeling.
Whatsausage: Neutral, well not much to say, contibuting, i dont have storng leads to one side or another on him.
Zivel: dont know how he has read anamianics town on the little content he placed (he did that somewhere friday i think), besides that i think his posts to content ratio is more towards posts, which is lighlt scummy in my book.

just to through my vote out somewhere on my possible targets:
vote zivel
funny to see that my more scummy reads dont have many votes.

fp''ed by i dont know how many since it took me 2 hours to write everything down and make something decent out of it. so all recent posts (2 hours ?) are ignored in this roundup.

[aage]

As far as me buddying up with him, you have this and me joking in response to a joke?

Yes, but it's more about what you haven't done. There is the fact that you never directly addressed Ultra's no lynch vote before this post, even though it dominated discussion for quite some time. Zivel's remark about deflecting attention was fully correct. Your response to it looks like it's forced, not like a joke. And it again deflects attention because you still don't discuss it. Then you post this and tell off AoG, but never address Ultra. Clearly you don't have a scum read on him, otherwise you would've mentioned it (and you wouldn't have made that alleged joke), but AoG having a town read on him is bad? That's why I think it's fishy, and that's why I see a connection.

@UltrasPlot if i claimed VT would i be a decent lynch for today?

Yes. There are no VTs.

Again you feel the need to point out that you know the game is non-vanilla, even though the question was not directed at you. I feel like this (answering a trapping question for him) is closer to helping out ultra than anything I did.

The fact that the game is non-vanilla is a damning argument against Ultra in the light of his soft claim, imo. Yet, Storr and especially Zivel had the exact opposite reaction. I'm repeating the fact that it's NV because I want to know if they were aware.

@Storr, yes I did vote in the first post of three.

[Zivel]

I think it's a big mistake to let him off the hook after this. When he initially voted for no lynch, I replied by saying "Tell us about your awesome night action that you're so eager to use." I'd still like him to tell us, more than ever, so I'll Vote Ultra.


Zivel, why didn't you catch this? And would you consider replacing your vote?

Where was this vote 3 days ago when we could of used it to apply more pressure? I dislike Ultras responses and streaker brought up really good points that I kinda missed. I tried to get a wagon going on him for a while now, but people like you sat on the sidelines and didnt vote. Voting is what causes real pressure and I just wasn't able to get enough to force more information out of him. Yes I am willing to switch again, I will bloody hammer if he gets to L1 but for now I am trying to get some pressure on Pancake to share the love. I highly support your cause to keep applying pressure on Ultras, he is my strongest scum read so far.

You mean this one:

...no, no I didn't. Thank yu for demonstrating your unwillingness to read back more than three pages.

Seriously? You talk mechanics for most of it and the rest you have a go at storr. Infact the only read you have given in 11 pages of content has been on storr who is the easy pickings cause he is the most out there. Now I am not sold on storr town, I think my position on him is changing but I would like more reads from you than this weak stuff. Are you just sitting quietly there waiting for us to lynch Ultra cause he has some dumb idea about day one lynchs or maybe pick on the most prolific as that is always an easy lynch day one, knowing that your scum buddies are safe?

And? Seriously, D1 has some leeway. I can't even talk mechanics at all? I respond to comments hat don't make sense and direct addresses. If you want something, you have to ask.

Look, I already asked you to actively engage me. You want reads. Why don't you ask me for some instead of posting the exact same thing you did before and pretending it's escalating pressure?

Damn you are a slippery customer. Put out a decent vote, lets get a wagon going on someone to get some real pressure and work out who the hell we are voting off here. I find your non committal attitude difficult as it is not helping town. I should not have to ask for information, as a decent townie you should be putting information out there for us to analyse and use. Why are you hiding? why are you not just giving your reads? Why are you quick to defend yourself but not attacking? Yes we can talk about mechanics, hell I have probably talked more about mechanics this game than anyone but we are past that now... it is time to put out a vote and some decent reasons behind it.

Zivel: dont know how he has read anamianics town on the little content he placed (he did that somewhere friday i think), besides that i think his posts to content ratio is more towards posts, which is lighlt scummy in my book.

just to through my vote out somewhere on my possible targets:
vote zivel
funny to see that my more scummy reads dont have many votes..

The f*ck is this? At least get a decent argument so that others can join in and apply pressure, that was a throw away vote in a stage in the day when throw away votes are a waste. Or else choose someone that is on the radar of someeone else and help them to get some information out of your target. You want to get info out of me actually read my posts. I may have put a few posts out there, but I have put out way more content than you.

[dd515087]

Prods sent to : Crazymilkshake5 and dd515

Sorry guys busy weekend. I will catch up and try and make a contribution within the next few hours

[Zivel]

Ultra: I think it would be rather dumb for mafia to advocate a no lynch day 1 as its certain to gain discussion. (although it would be brilliant counterlogic, if so NICE! ) also i think he is contributing nicely and countering the votes / discussion pretty nicely. pro town feeling.

Holy shit aage, what do you think of this statement. Think its a weak arse try at saving his scum buddy?

'Contributing nicely and countering the vote' Bahahaha.

Adding virus to my ever growing list of scum.

[Whatsausage]

As far as me buddying up with him, you have this and me joking in response to a joke?

Yes, but it's more about what you haven't done. There is the fact that you never directly addressed Ultra's no lynch vote before this post, even though it dominated discussion for quite some time. Zivel's remark about deflecting attention was fully correct. Your response to it looks like it's forced, not like a joke. And it again deflects attention because you still don't discuss it. Then you post this and tell off AoG, but never address Ultra. Clearly you don't have a scum read on him, otherwise you would've mentioned it (and you wouldn't have made that alleged joke), but AoG having a town read on him is bad? That's why I think it's fishy, and that's why I see a connection.
So because I chose not to discuss the merits of voting no-lynch (a discussion that wasn't really benefitting town), I was deflecting attention? You can't have it both ways. I brought up a new read instead of repeating like everyone else that I thought no-lynching was bad D1 because such and such a statistic. I hadn't really covered ultra's no lynch vote (besides saying it didn't mean on its own that he's scum) because instead of beating that discussion into the ground I chose to go a different direction. Not sure how my response look forced, but perhaps my opinion is biased because I know it wasn't forced means I am blind to how it looks to you. My scum read on him has grown since then (although still not strong), back then I was more neutral. AOG having a town read on him wasn't bad in and of itself, his reasoning for it was.

@UltrasPlot if i claimed VT would i be a decent lynch for today?

Yes. There are no VTs.

Again you feel the need to point out that you know the game is non-vanilla, even though the question was not directed at you. I feel like this (answering a trapping question for him) is closer to helping out ultra than anything I did.

The fact that the game is non-vanilla is a damning argument against Ultra in the light of his soft claim, imo. Yet, Storr and especially Zivel had the exact opposite reaction. I'm repeating the fact that it's NV because I want to know if they were aware.

@Storr, yes I did vote in the first post of three.

So it's damning to ultra if he wasn't aware the game was non-vanilla, but if storr and zivel weren't it is your duty to inform them? I don't see how the game being non-vanilla is damning to ultra, since it isn't like he claimed vanilla. He also didn't answer storr's question because you got there first. (I don't believe he has posted since then though) If he had answered that question (and I think storr knew the game was NV and was seeing how much ultra knew about how pointless his softclaim was) in such a fashion that he was only saying he shouldn't be voted because he was non-vanilla, then it would be damning for his lack of reasoning.

That above part got a little wordy, more simply put: It all depends on what ultra meant with his softclaim. If he was trying to save himself by claiming just NV, then that is poor and I think that is what storr was trying to find out.

@ultra, you seem to have disappeared and this is not a time for that. Vote ultrasplot to put some pressure back on. Tell is what you meant with your softclaim, are you just claiming to be a power role, or did you mean something by the fact of you are" more than just a vote" (ex double voter)?

[UltrasPlot]

Streaker's reads were essentially the opposite of what I made, that town read on dd is utterly notorious. If I get lynched, make sure he's next - one of us is undoubtedly mafia.

Unlynch dd
Lynch Streaker

Whatsausage, that softclaim was phrased incorrectly, but due to the nature of this game I assume everyone has a power role - mine is so nonvanilla that...

back on topic, "more than a vote" means exactly what it says. It is all I am willing to reveal. The possibilities are:

• Lover
• Important Role, such as cop or doc
• Doublevoter
• Enabler

Someone should be able to parse my claim and realize what I mean. (I traditionally play with outside communication so that was an example of something I would've done under those circumstances, PMing my role to only the most trusted)

Regardless, someone follow this thought path:

• Assume I am town.
• Figure out why I would post that assuming I am town.

I think you will realize why...

(As for assuming I am town, it is for this thought process only.)

[UltrasPlot]

EBWOP: I have been active, second to only Storr, so that point about inactivity is invalid.

[UltrasPlot]

also FoS Virus, feel like he's trying to set me up for something =/

[Army of GOD]

Er, ok, I'm gonna unvote vote ultrasplot

Virus saying he got a town read for Ultra wasn't too bad because I felt the same way, but then after Zivel pointed out it might be scum supporting scum, Ultra FOSs virus for thinking virus is trying to "set him up".


That just seems weird and seems more like an attempt to get suspicion off them two. I know I'm flipping on my town read from Ultra before, but it wasn't terribly strong.

[pancakemix]

I'd really like to see a vote from you, I honestly don't feel there is enough pressure on the board to make anyone react tbh

Who is this supposed to be addressed to? If it's aage, he just voted above...

Damn you are a slippery customer. Put out a decent vote, lets get a wagon going on someone to get some real pressure and work out who the hell we are voting off here. I find your non committal attitude difficult as it is not helping town. I should not have to ask for information, as a decent townie you should be putting information out there for us to analyse and use. Why are you hiding? why are you not just giving your reads? Why are you quick to defend yourself but not attacking? Yes we can talk about mechanics, hell I have probably talked more about mechanics this game than anyone but we are past that now... it is time to put out a vote and some decent reasons behind it.

Okay, what do you want to talk about? Pick somebody, that's all I've been asking. You were more than happy to play catch with Storr, I don't see why it's a scum move from me to want to do the same thing. Or are you not actually interested in what I have to say?

back on topic, "more than a vote" means exactly what it says. It is all I am willing to reveal. The possibilities are:

• Lover
• Important Role, such as cop or doc
• Doublevoter
• Enabler

This is weird, and your second choice is so vague it basically negates the whole thing. Vote Ultra. No riddles. If you're gonna claim, just spit it out.

[Streaker]

Streaker's reads were essentially the opposite of what I made, that town read on dd is utterly notorious. If I get lynched, make sure he's next - one of us is undoubtedly mafia.

Unlynch dd
Lynch Streaker

Whatsausage, that softclaim was phrased incorrectly, but due to the nature of this game I assume everyone has a power role - mine is so nonvanilla that...

back on topic, "more than a vote" means exactly what it says. It is all I am willing to reveal. The possibilities are:

• Lover
• Important Role, such as cop or doc
• Doublevoter
• Enabler

Someone should be able to parse my claim and realize what I mean. (I traditionally play with outside communication so that was an example of something I would've done under those circumstances, PMing my role to only the most trusted)

Regardless, someone follow this thought path:

• Assume I am town.
• Figure out why I would post that assuming I am town.

I think you will realize why...

(As for assuming I am town, it is for this thought process only.)

If anyone still has doubts as to why I'm so persistent on Ultra, well this. I know I'm hard pressing him, but I have some very good reasons.
This vote on me, is yet another OMGUS. All it takes for him to switch votes is someone making a case on him. One of us is undoubtebly mafia, eh? Let's find out.

About your softclaim, first you say you have an 'important' power. Then someone points out that everyone has a power, and now you scramble back saying your power is 'so nonvanilla'. Only to then sum up some of the most basic roles in this game. Enabler, maybe even doublevoter, are a bit rarer, but not that strange of roles (coming out of that PYP game lol).

Still, it makes yours an empty threat.

Come on guys, this is the lead for today! Get your votes in while it's still hot! A bit more pressure and this guys is bound to slip.

[Streaker]

Well here i am again, last post was a drunky aswell, think it came out pretty reasonable. im actually quiet pleased about it .. lol

anyway. in response to aage post sat 1 nov 3.34pm (not sure if its same in all timezones)
you dont have to excuse yourself or anyone for voting me for inactivity, its fair enough a reason.


Aage: my opinion on aage is the following: at the moment i have a (strong) pro town read on him, although i dont agree on all his reads in his latest posts, in my opinion his arguments and posts contribute very well. Little bullshit, good argumented opinions, i like it.
Anamaniacks: if i would have to say it now im leaning more to mafia with him then town, he has contributed in some posts but in my opinion low on content, just talking about mechanics, statistics etc, not much in the opinions departement.
Anarkist: neutral at the moment, would say more pro town actualy, but thats a soft read, mostly just feeling based.
Army of God: neutral, said something bout statistics not much more, likes a no lynch, ok. i dont particularly like a no lynch day 1, since in my opinion a mislynch is not nescesarily a waste, but well anyone may have a oppinion.
crasp: neutral, bit about this, bit about that, seems to chatter along with the rest, nothing really odd posted.
crazy milkshakes: posted to little. (me 2 i know)
DD: kind of same as crazy milkshakes but more posts -> less content. so more scummy
hotshot: goes for the easy targets in my opinion: Ultra, Me, there for would lean more scum then town.
mtam: just being himself.
PCM: neutral,
storr: just being himself 2. im kind of lost on mtam and storr always, so put them on neutral for now, they just talk so much that its harder to make a pro-town or anti-town read out of them.
streaker: in my opinion not playing a very strong game, posted some cynical/sarcastic posts not much content, and one post with reads which are just Neutral/scum/town, without much information at all. wants ultra dead, is making a case on him, see ultra for my opinion on ultra. so basicly i would lean scum on streaker more then town. he is participating but i either disagree or think its not much content so..
Strike wolf: on first thought pro town feeling, think he says what he wants, not much bullshit (when not drunk ) and makes sense in his opinions.
Ultra: I think it would be rather dumb for mafia to advocate a no lynch day 1 as its certain to gain discussion. (although it would be brilliant counterlogic, if so NICE! ) also i think he is contributing nicely and countering the votes / discussion pretty nicely. pro town feeling.
Whatsausage: Neutral, well not much to say, contibuting, i dont have storng leads to one side or another on him.
Zivel: dont know how he has read anamianics town on the little content he placed (he did that somewhere friday i think), besides that i think his posts to content ratio is more towards posts, which is lighlt scummy in my book.

just to through my vote out somewhere on my possible targets:
vote zivel
funny to see that my more scummy reads dont have many votes.

fp''ed by i dont know how many since it took me 2 hours to write everything down and make something decent out of it. so all recent posts (2 hours ?) are ignored in this roundup.

Zivel? After all that's going on in this game (if you even read all of it) you vote Zivel? At this points you make a case based on ' his content ratio is more towards posts'. Cool.

Just want to point out that I'm actually making a case on Ultra, so the 'no content to my posts' remark is a bit silly. Makes me feel you are skimming. Fair enough about not playing a good game though.

[dd515087]

Damn. I don't check in in like 2 days and there are like 3000 posts to catch up on. Not done yet. I did notice this though:

DD: kind of same as crazy milkshakes but more posts -> less content. so more scummy

More posts? Unless milkshakes has done absolutely nothing than there is no way I have more posts than him. FOS @ virus
My other reads for scum (based solely on what I've caught up) on are Anarks, Whatsausage, and aage
I will continue reading in the morning, but I'd like to get something in tonight. Again have not fully caught up and my reads could change by the time I do
Keeping my vote on HotShot for now

[dd515087]

God you bleed town anamainiacks

Funniest post award goes here. I died
Figured I should add this in: Strike, mtam, Storr, and animaniacks are my strongest town reads

[virus90]

Had i not voted im sure storr or someone else would have asked me who i voted for. The leading candidates for a lynch at this point are not the people i supsect most of all, and im not gonna bandwagon that just to stay under the radar or anything, if i wanted i could have just voted ultra, and everything would have been easy, logic vote, no one would comment on that. (well maybe cause i first disagreed people would but you get my point i hope)
So i voted zivel, at no point i said it was a strong lead or anything, but its not like i ask anyone to vote with me or anything, i havent build a case on him. I just follow my gut feeling. I dont see how 1 vote is that big a thing, and i generally do this every game. And it already got a reaction from both zivel and streaker about that, 2 people towards i more lean(ed?) scum at the moment, 1 even called me scumbuddies with ultra, so i can further read on them. MISSION ACOMPLISHED !

@ streaker, i know your making a case and i think i worded that pretty well so i dont see how you say im skimming, see my comment again: im describing 3 post "phases"
first some remarks.
then the list
then the case on ultra.
its all there. on the first of the 3 i remarked not much content, to which i still agree, the 2nd i said that it where just remarks town/neutral/mafia and little more then that. and the 3th i didnt say anything about content, i said my opinion was different by referring to my opinion.
i more and more understand why people tend to think ultra's scummy, some real strange shit, dont see how i would set him up in anyway. but well in dutch we have a saying which kind of means: when under a lot of pressure people do strange things.

have to go to work now

fped by dd.
milkshake did nothing so fos right back at you

[virus90]

or well "close to nothing"

[Zivel]

Okay, what do you want to talk about? Pick somebody, that's all I've been asking. You were more than happy to play catch with Storr, I don't see why it's a scum move from me to want to do the same thing. Or are you not actually interested in what I have to say?

Tbh I would like a decent read on storr. You voted Ultra, storr has been pressuring him. You posts so far have been against him. I am on the fence about him so far. Whats your real read.

Let me know about animaniaks as well, again there are different views on him and I am going back and forward.

Tell ya another I am having trouble with is streaker. So if ya have time tell me what you think of him.

Yes I want to know what you think. I find you hard to read. You have experience. You know what you are doing.

[Zivel]

The fact that the game is non-vanilla is a damning argument against Ultra in the light of his soft claim, imo. Yet, Storr and especially Zivel had the exact opposite reaction. I'm repeating the fact that it's NV because I want to know if they were aware.

Yeah I am aware, I read the front page. I just have differing views. Tbh I don't see how it was damning... explain to me cause I am dumb.

[StorrZerg]

@mtamb where dat virus read kthx

[StorrZerg]

This is the "substantial" post

They are both scum and are misdirectino us...

C'mon, people! Down with Pancake!

This one is also pretty scummish to me, shoots down the two who are actually saying anything and then pulls a random out of thin air. Why pancake? I have my reasons but I would be interested to hear yours.

1. Teh sillehs.

At that stage, it's about all you need.

On ultra wagon: Newbie mistake, nbd.
Those of you concerned about ultra being scum, notice pcm calling it a "newbie mistake"
On crasp: Hell naw, post more.
So generic advice. This is kinda pointless to say considering several people all ready harped on crasp, including the mod. So while it looks like its "saying something" about crasp it isn't. This is alos important because crasp has been posting since pcm made this comment. SO its out of place, telling someone to be active when they are active.

All in all, I shall Vote Crasp until we get information out of him.

Never use that color ever again.
I can agree, but we are agreeing on something that is more pleasing to the eye to read on a forum, not really anything relevant about the game.

how ever you are right about pcm, thanks for responding about him. it is hard to get a read on someone who is lacking content... How ever i think his post was not helpful to the game.

No shit, it's been one day. Your slapfight with tambo wasn't helpful either, but it was the only thing to talk about. Dunno what you want...
Some people disagreed with this, thinking it helped generate discussion, while your comment certainly doesn't help the situation, its more of a personal attack on style, rather than caring to analyze the situation. Deeming it 100% unhelpful, with out saying why. Also whats included is the over aggressive tone imo, and the "its day 1 what do you want"

it's day 1, I honestly don't understand how there can be any reads this early.

vote no lynch

I hate lynching someone day 1. Always ends up wasting a townie.

While I appreciate the cynicism, you know better.
Lecturing

.... Because I have played mafia with him for 7 years... On this site... And... I... like... to.... give.... him.... shit....

Per my earlier response.

you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.

Anarkistsdream

still doing nothing to contribute tot he game

Coming from you, this is surprisingly unperceptive. This may seem foreign to you, but sometimes we like to joke about things when we play this game.

I know, we're philistines.
This comment feels out of place. It should be fairly obvious to pcm at this point that i don't care for jokes. And while i did miss this joke, his response doesn't further the game. Specially with the comment "philistines"

Where did you say this beforehand, maybe I missed it? In the above quote are the two post you made, I see nothing about giving PCM shit.... All I see is you pulling his name out of thin air.

Wtf people get a sense of humor.
Yeah people wanting to play the game are scummy for missing jokes? Is this what your getting at? since it just seems to be "they didnt get the joke, why are they pressuring anark" When, it should be obvious the joke was missed, so if you look at the situation, you should be asking "does this make sense from town storr/zivel to be going after anark for this comment if they missed the joke?" Or is this scummy of them, and they are looking something to nit pick? (granted this question should be asked on individuals, but you get my point.

fantastic! keep avoiding the game. Those who havne't voted really should consider pressuring anark since he is active, and not doing anything.

Actually, considering you based a vote on his actions here, his comment here is game valid. You're starting to reek.
again same as above, i don't think pcm is asking the right questions when looking at the situation. Considering the latter part of my argument at this point is that anark is around, and not doing anything. PCM comment is still focused on the "joke" portion of the argument. There doesn't seem to be any logical progression in pcms read.
Animainiacks marks the third person to blow an obvious joke out of proportion. Whyyyyyyy.
Is the joke blown out of proportion?

Your play isn't necessarily scummy, but it sure isn't helpful or constructive at this point.

This is anamainiacks conclusion to anarks play. Again, his whole play, not just the joke section. Again, pcm is entirly focused on the joke section, with out evolving his read.

God you bleed town anamainiacks

........ You are far too narcissistic.

I say this, like, all the time.
So there is no conclusion, as to what my alignment is with this comment. So what if i'm narcissistic, whats it mean? Its like saying "hey you are a purple player" so waht? does this kind of statement do anything for town? The answer is no, because there was no further comment on the statement.
@AoG's statistics: What Strike said.

EBWOP (wall o' text lol)

Strike, you're also ruling out:
- The possibility of mafia getting fakeclaims prepared
- The possibility of a BG tomorrow night (interesting that you include cop dying but not cop bg'd)
- I have never seen an altered sanity cop in a game without a sane cop
- Mislynch provides info? Now? Explain how you tell apart a townie tricked by rhetoric and a mafia purposefully mislynching.
- Our odds are worse than pure random if we randlynch as stated above
- The chances of an altered sanity cop are lower than 22% tbh
- It's easier to verify roles with results than those without

If you still think randlynch is the right way to go I may as well lynch you for helping us lose.

Responses in order:

- That one's easy: Mod, do the mafia have fakeclaims? Regardless, claims should only be a factor in a lynch, not the driving force.
- BG? Wut?
- That does not discount the possibility of that happening. That said, I rarely see alternate sanities anymore.
- Vote patterns, for one. Example: people who jumped on your wagon rapidly or under suspicious circumstances should be examined closely (I'm looking at you, Streaker...)
- Your scenario presupposes a very favorable mafia split AND mafia having extra KPs, which I find even less likely than alternate sanities. That is, unless you're privy to something.
- See response to point 3
- True, but that has little to do with a D1 lynch.
Mechanics talk
Ultra, I'm curious: how do you expect to get info at all if you refuse to discuss anything except not lynching anyone? Bear in mind, your position relies on roles like the cop to be around for a long time, but how can we ensure that if the cop does not make himself look town? How can he know where to look for reads? The point of the first day (and I'd argue for a good chunk of this game) is not about the destination, but the journey, as cliche as that sounds. We need to establish a foundation for the rest of the game, and voting NL from the outset does not gain us that. I was less inclined to press you before, but this activity is growing suspicious.
mechanics

Conclusion, A big issue i see about this talk is the anark "joke" that Several people missed.
Now the joke lead to pressure, which then lead to other attacks on anark, like "not playing the game, avoiding reads etc"
Or "Your play isn't necessarily scummy, but it sure isn't helpful or constructive at this point."

And instead of addressing new comments, pcm continues on with the joke comments.

Crasp is also interesting since, crasp is active and posting, yet pcms comment is "keep active" when crasp is active. increadibly out of place kind of comment. Now we look at another comment more recent.

I'd really like to see a vote from you, I honestly don't feel there is enough pressure on the board to make anyone react tbh

Who is this supposed to be addressed to? If it's aage, he just voted above...

This comment of mine was all ready commented on a few times. Its more repetition, of following. The answer was pretty clear, it was directed to aage, who did vote someone, and i missed it.

its also interesting that PCM is pushing on ultra now. He called him a newby at first, saying "no big deal" about his situation. and now he wants a claim. I don't see pcm calling ultra scum anywhere.

pcm's comment regarding streaker who wants an ultra lynch

You seem really into this Ultra lynch. There's either more to it than you're letting on or you're scum looking for the easy route.

Honestly his push onto ultra, seems to be an escape. It doesn't have meaning imo, sure maybe pcm is "frustrated" with ultras play, i am. now sure ultras play is incredibly selfish and dumb. Yet, reading pcms posts, it doesn't look like he really thinks ultra could be scum. its more about the claim and pcm is deff not adding anything more to discuss about ultra . There is no passion that he feels ultra is mafia.