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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:29 pm

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Army of GOD wrote:it's day 1, I honestly don't understand how there can be any reads this early.


vote no lynch

I hate lynching someone day 1. Always ends up wasting a townie.


Army of GOD wrote:wow, I didn't realize D1 was 12 days long...


that's a lot of time. why so long?

So after we start a bandwagon on Ultra for voting No Lynch you go ahead and vote no lynch. Also, the mod changed it to 10 days. I'm not saying that not reading or just skimming over all the posts means you're scum, but it definitely doesn't give off a town vibe to me


I'm not going to change my usual strategy because of a bandwagon.

there's precedence for me wanting to no vote day 1 when I'm a townie: viewtopic.php?f=610&t=142620&p=3109293&hilit=+no+lynch+#p3109293 , viewtopic.php?f=610&t=142441&p=3108641&hilit=+no+lynch+#p3108641 , viewtopic.php?f=610&t=129921&p=2865749&hilit=+no+lynch+#p2865749 , viewtopic.php?f=610&t=128121&p=2816557&hilit=+no+lynch+#p2816557

I just think that lynching day 1 is too random and 95% of the time it just ends in a townie being killed for no reason
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:20 pm

@AoG how about you pretend we won't lynch someone and give reads on people in the game.

complaining that day 1 doesn't do anything is terrible. Your policy of not lynching is absolute horseshit regardless of your alignment. why? because if your mafia its a cop out to do nothing on day 1. and if your town, your just to scared to do anything. If everyone was "ok" with this play. Then why the hell does the game start in day phase.

I really don't want to bicker about policy with you. So in short. Man up make some reads, if you dont' want to lynch f*ck it w/e but at least contribute to the game in helping to solve whats going on.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:23 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:They are both scum and are misdirectino us...

C'mon, people! Down with Pancake!


This one is also pretty scummish to me, shoots down the two who are actually saying anything and then pulls a random out of thin air. Why pancake? I have my reasons but I would be interested to hear yours.


.... Because I have played mafia with him for 7 years... On this site... And... I... like... to.... give.... him.... shit....

You notice it wasn't the first time I made that point, or are you skimming???



you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.


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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:23 pm

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:29 pm

StorrZerg wrote:If everyone was "ok" with this play. Then why the hell does the game start in day phase.


but not everyone is ok so I don't really see where you're going with this...
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:49 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:If everyone was "ok" with this play. Then why the hell does the game start in day phase.


but not everyone is ok so I don't really see where you're going with this...


Because i whole heartily believe we can gain information of a lynch. "enough people" want to lynch so it honestly doesn't matter how bad your policy of no lynch is.

Again the least you can do is contribute to the game
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Army of GOD on Thu Oct 30, 2014 3:52 pm

and my contribution is a no lynch because I believe lynching day 1 is a statistical disadvantage
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:05 pm

Army of GOD wrote:it's day 1, I honestly don't understand how there can be any reads this early.


vote no lynch

I hate lynching someone day 1. Always ends up wasting a townie.


Damn, another weak arse day one post, especially after all the heat that Ultra has been given so far. Are you trying to protect Ultra, trying to say its ok to no lynch day one? I strongly disagree with this type of play, no lynch day one is a cop out and trying to slow down the chat just helps the scum. Our job as town is to pull out the scum and get some pressure on the, see if they crack. Town can't win it on day one, but scum can lose it.

The Mtam and Storr fight has done what it was supposed to do which was engage people into the game,

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Zivel wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:They are both scum and are misdirectino us...

C'mon, people! Down with Pancake!


This one is also pretty scummish to me, shoots down the two who are actually saying anything and then pulls a random out of thin air. Why pancake? I have my reasons but I would be interested to hear yours.


.... Because I have played mafia with him for 7 years... On this site... And... I... like... to.... give.... him.... shit....

You notice it wasn't the first time I made that point, or are you skimming???


Where did you say this beforehand, maybe I missed it? In the above quote are the two post you made, I see nothing about giving PCM shit.... All I see is you pulling his name out of thin air.

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Army of GOD wrote:and my contribution is a no lynch because I believe lynching day 1 is a statistical disadvantage


Give me some stats to back this claim up rather than anecdotal evidence please.here is a thread for you to read from mafiascum regarding day one lynchs:

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:07 pm

StorrZerg wrote:you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.


Says the guys who has a "don't vote for each other early on" clause with another player claim against him.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)RolePM's Out!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:31 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:Confirming... Is there an intro scene or are we just jumping on pancakemix?

;)



Page 3, skimmer... Way to make yourself look intelligent and observant...

Storr, as for you... You poke any bear you think to get a read... Your opinion this early on is as meaningless to me as what color your boxers are...
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:35 pm

Army of GOD wrote:and my contribution is a no lynch because I believe lynching day 1 is a statistical disadvantage



the game isn't just "statistics" if that was the case why bother playing... I'm happy to see you are continuing to avoid reading people. (sarcasm) You very well might be town, with how stubborn you are with your "no lynch" philosophy.

benefits of a lynch
We gain information
We might lynch mafia, which would then indicate heavily on who pushed it the hardest, that they very well could be town.
We see where people stand on the day.
What happens if a town is lynched? We still get information. Information that can be used by power roles information that can be used by players to figure out who is mafia and who is town.

what you are presenting is a world where 1, we don't gain any information
we won't know why people died, because nothing will have been.
roles will go into the night blind (sure mafia will be blind as well)

Now lets say, nothing happens with roles considering your plan. Now we have day 2, no idea why people died, and no information. Are we just going to "sleep again" because we don't know whats going on?

Now if we lynched someone day 1, we have some place to go day 2. We can't depend on "power roles" to solve the game for us.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:42 pm

Zivel wrote:
StorrZerg wrote:you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.


Says the guys who has a "don't vote for each other early on" clause with another player claim against him.


Want my history with tambo?

1 game where i was mafia, i let town misslynch him because they didn't understand him. he "lied about his claim" to take a bullet, so the town crucified him. I let that happen as scum.
Then 2 games where we both end up being town. And he dies n1.
So while i may not "vote for him day 1" its mostly due to, i want to play with him / im not truly sure about his alignment right now. I honestly feel i'll be able to figure out his motivations and alignment latter in the game. Now maybe this is an excuse i'm giving, since i've never played past day 1 with him.

Either way, if i really feel that he is playing mafia, i'll push him day 1 and ill vote him. And while what he has done, is suspect, it isn't a call to arms to lynch him for now.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)RolePM's Out!

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 4:43 pm

Anarkistsdream wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Confirming... Is there an intro scene or are we just jumping on pancakemix?

;)



Page 3, skimmer... Way to make yourself look intelligent and observant...

Storr, as for you... You poke any bear you think to get a read... Your opinion this early on is as meaningless to me as what color your boxers are...


fantastic! keep avoiding the game. Those who havne't voted really should consider pressuring anark since he is active, and not doing anything.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)RolePM's Out!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:15 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:Confirming... Is there an intro scene or are we just jumping on pancakemix?

;)



Page 3, skimmer... Way to make yourself look intelligent and observant...

Storr, as for you... You poke any bear you think to get a read... Your opinion this early on is as meaningless to me as what color your boxers are...


fantastic! keep avoiding the game. Those who havne't voted really should consider pressuring anark since he is active, and not doing anything.

What do you expect people to do, out of curiosity? We have nothing to go on Day 1... All of us, town and scum, know that... You are doing your usual asshole behavior that only shocks the newbies, and attacking every person because they don't play the game the same as you. I haven't see anything to go on. That being said, the moderator asked us to be active... How about attacking the skimmers or the inactive instead of the only few people plating the game?
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:57 pm

The generalization of my play "attacking" everyone is imo poor representation. I'm not sure what you are trying to do.

As for what to do today, I expect people to discuss what's going on. Give input as to how people are playing in relation to alignment. And push people they find scummy, thus tryingto lynch a mafia day 1.

Why don't you pressure the inactives, the skimmers.

I'm pushing you, in hopes to learn something about your alignment. As of this point I have 0 clue what you think about anything other than. Storr plays like an asshole" which honestly isn't helping anyone.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby HotShot53 on Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:59 pm

StorrZerg wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:
Zivel wrote:
Anarkistsdream wrote:They are both scum and are misdirectino us...

C'mon, people! Down with Pancake!


This one is also pretty scummish to me, shoots down the two who are actually saying anything and then pulls a random out of thin air. Why pancake? I have my reasons but I would be interested to hear yours.


.... Because I have played mafia with him for 7 years... On this site... And... I... like... to.... give.... him.... shit....

You notice it wasn't the first time I made that point, or are you skimming???



you can use all the credits you want about history, but you need to explain your reads. Just simply stating "i have tenor and this guy is mafia" doesn't mean shit when we don't know your alignment.


Anarkistsdream

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Umm... ever hear of a joke vote? That is a weak case for even you to make storr...

FP by storr... and being as you are attacking/voting him with no reason, as you have done to others, I'd say his generalization is pretty accurate.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby mtamburini on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:23 pm

I skimmed most of the posts, but I feel like ultras is town. What he did I can agree is scummy, however the wagon that was jumped on him was deemed more of policy lynch then anything actually people pressuring him based on his scummy comment. AOG also voted for NL and is not getting the same treatment as ultras is getting, ill re read later the last page or so cause I got bored reading it but I like storr thus far and thats about it. Its not a very good reason but me and storr dont get to play with eachother often so I dont think he would actually come after me in the beginning of the game as scum because he gets more pleasure out of trying to pocket me and make me look stupid when I read him as town when he is scum. I believe as town he still wants to play with me, however if he thinks I am scum he will put pressure on me and shit because winning the game is more important then us playing together.

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)RolePM's Out!

Postby anamainiacks on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:31 pm

@Anarkistsdream
Anarkistsdream wrote:Confirming... Is there an intro scene or are we just jumping on pancakemix?

;)
Anarkistsdream wrote:They are both scum and are misdirectino us...

C'mon, people! Down with Pancake!
Anarkistsdream wrote:.... Because I have played mafia with him for 7 years... On this site... And... I... like... to.... give.... him.... shit....

You notice it wasn't the first time I made that point, or are you skimming???

Pretty much your case on PCM so far... I thought you were throwing around the comments as a joke before, but we're clearly not joking around anymore. Your only justification for your scheme so far is pretty much "I've played mafia with him for a long time" (which means he's scum... how?), and that you "like to give him shit". All this after people have asked for proper support to your suspicions, and you in turn accuse them of skimming.

And you've basically ignored everything that everyone else has commented aside from their comments directed to you, which feels as though you're trying to take everyone's attention off the reads on each other, and going, "Stop all the constructive conversation! Let's all just vote PCM because I like to give him shit!"

Anarkistsdream wrote:What do you expect people to do, out of curiosity? We have nothing to go on Day 1... All of us, town and scum, know that... You are doing your usual asshole behavior that only shocks the newbies, and attacking every person because they don't play the game the same as you. I haven't see anything to go on. That being said, the moderator asked us to be active... How about attacking the skimmers or the inactive instead of the only few people plating the game?

Well if you had read everything that's been said regarding why and how Day 1 is useful, then you needn't be asking this question. The information you're asking about can even be found on the same page as this post of yours. So if you're asking us to pressure the skimmers, you'd definitely be one of them.

Your play isn't necessarily scummy, but it sure isn't helpful or constructive at this point.

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@AoG

I study statistics, and I'm pretty sure lynching on Day 1 is not a statistical disadvantage.

And as mentioned by Zivel and Storr, Day 1 does provide information even based on the interactions - even the conversations itself are information, even if simply in the form of the vibes you get from people; and seeing people's voting patterns. Everyone also does need information to go on, no matter how intangible it is, to decide how to use their night actions, if any. Otherwise, using town night actions would be just as much a shot in the dark, and likely to yield no results.

So even if we do end up settling for a no lynch, advocating it at this point is asking us to ignore/cut short all conversations so far, and totally remove possibility of any scum slips in the rest of Day 1 - of which we have 8.5 real days left, if I'm not wrong.

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Also waiting to see how Ultras responds to the comments so far.

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HotShot53 wrote:Umm... ever hear of a joke vote? That is a weak case for even you to make storr...

FP by storr... and being as you are attacking/voting him with no reason, as you have done to others, I'd say his generalization is pretty accurate.

Yep, heard of it, but the conversation has clearly moved past the joke vote phase. There has been proper conversation going on, and to continue pushing a joke vote at this point would just be pointless and distracting.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:47 pm

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby StorrZerg on Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:51 pm

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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Zivel on Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:04 pm

StorrZerg wrote:God you bleed town anamainiacks


Have to agree, that was a solid first post and explained coherently why we vote day one.

I am still pushing for an Ultra lynch, he has not come back to defend himself and so is either afk or lurking. Till I hear more from him, I am happy for him to die today.

Will come back later after shopping with a more comprehensive list.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby aage on Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:20 pm

I was gonna post hours ago, but I got distracted and the editor tossed out all my post by logging out, and now Animainiacks has pretty much said everything I wanted to. So add town read on him.


I was gonna say Crasp's reads on Ultra were good, I agree that his post on no lynch is "too scummy" or at least so unbelievably stupid that I actually do not believe it, although I do think that right now he is our best final lynch target.
I was gonna say Nark doesn't seem to feel like talking since he avoids all requests for replies with evading replies about the uselessness of day 1, which is scummy.

I was also gonna explain in great detail why lynching D1 is a huge statistical advantage, and that AoG is relying on his intuition too much. Lynching day 1 provides town with an opportunity to lynch scum, an opportunity they don't get during the night. Tossing away any chance of killing scum is statistically disadvantageous. Secondly, the lynch is secondary on D1, the discussion is far more important and a good analyst will be able to use it to town's advantage. Thirdly, relying on power roles to win the game for town means you assume the game is rigged wit a large advantage for town. It's not.

I think that was it.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)RolePM's Out!

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:38 pm

anamainiacks wrote:Well if you had read everything that's been said regarding why and how Day 1 is useful, then you needn't be asking this question. The information you're asking about can even be found on the same page as this post of yours. So if you're asking us to pressure the skimmers, you'd definitely be one of them.




I better ask these people why and how Day 1 is useful... Because I have never played this game before.... :roll:
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:39 pm

StorrZerg wrote:God you bleed town anamainiacks



........ You are far too narcissistic.
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Re: Once Upon A Killer Mafia (17/17)D1: Memories

Postby crasp on Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:43 pm

@aage.
i wouldnt go reading too much into AOK's posts, I think they were more out of neccessity than anything meaningful. Like virus no posts at 10.30am cc. If you look then stuck in four rapid which basically could have been put into one post but looks like they were padded out to lift the post count. Then Storr jumped in. :lol: Now on 6
There are currently loads of people on 1 or 2 posts. Dont see much point in giving a post count just now as you colonials will be just about to appear at sundown but will give it tomorrow morning. 17 in too much work to do it just now and then have to rewrite tomorrow. Dont know who the noobs anarkist is talking about but if you are listening storr, might be a good idea to at least let them get the first sentence in before you lock them, in the pressure cooker. Not that i am claiming to be mr experience.
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