PYP~Mafia [05/21] end game

[dd515087]

We're about to screw up again if you guys lynch me. There is no reason to lynch me except for JW's claim that he checked me with his muffin. For all we know the muffin didn't even give him a cop check and he just decided it would be the easiest way to get rid of a townie. Can the inventor come out and reveal what the muffin did? I'm hoping you're town at this point (still not 100% sure on that). You are all just blindly following JW's claim on this though. Zivel came to his defense, but do we trust him? In honestly I have seen no reason to trust either of them so far. I'm going to go back through the past couple days and make a case tomorrow morning

[Streaker]

We're about to screw up again if you guys lynch me. There is no reason to lynch me except for JW's claim that he checked me with his muffin. For all we know the muffin didn't even give him a cop check and he just decided it would be the easiest way to get rid of a townie. Can the inventor come out and reveal what the muffin did? I'm hoping you're town at this point (still not 100% sure on that). You are all just blindly following JW's claim on this though. Zivel came to his defense, but do we trust him? In honestly I have seen no reason to trust either of them so far. I'm going to go back through the past couple days and make a case tomorrow morning

Alright that's it. I was never changing my vote but this settles it.
Inventor role is powerfull. If it is in mafia hands not much we can do about it. Coming out ASKING TO REVEAL inventor? Really? It's pretty safe to assume that if inventor was town he would counterclaim if needed. This did not happen. Now ur just trying to get inventor out before you go down.

Worst case here is that you flip town, on which we will kill off the muffin man.
With 11 alive, and 4 mafia, we aren't at LYLO yet. A 1-1 trade at this point is still acceptable, with implied odds of lynching DD on a cop result.

I'm switching my vote to DD.

[jwiedlin]

First off. Did you really believe that I am stupid enough to straightforwardly announce who I'm going to JK and go through with it? I find this necessary to say now - you guys had no need to push it. I essentially did that so I would have a pseudo-JK on two people - mafia isn't gonna kill someone who I say I jk'd. Secondly, if you check the last day me and mtam were dire opponents --- but then Djfireside flipped scum, and mtam was consistently pushing for his lynch, something scum would not have done. I am not saying that mtam is clear. I only believe that mtam is not a viable lynch target for this phase at least. Is it(p) mylo/lylo btw, and will we know when it is (p)mylo/lylo?

This answers my questions about ultras' questionable play.

We should be scum hunting for the unknown mafia roles (vote rigger and prince of darkness). Because mtam and ultras have believable role claims, I am hunting elsewhere.

Charm and legion are still unknowns for me and warrant consideration for our king lynch.

[charm]

Its good you got a mafia check, but I would've preferred you checked me to get people to get off my fucking case and let me lead this town.

MTam, my darling cherub (I just want to pinch your cheeks)!
Would you kindly give your read on the players left alive in case you are lynched, then you can influence the townies from the grave...

2 mtamburini
6 Metsfanmax
7 jonty125
9 legionnare
10 streaker
12 charm
14 dd515087
16 Zivel
17 jwiedlin
20 Iron Butterfly UltrasPlot
21 Some7hingCLEVER TheForgivenOne

[Streaker]

Riddle me this (taken from OP, just a description of roles in the game):

You are the Kingmaker, the power behind the throne. Every night you must send me a Private Message with a list of names to be made king. The highest person on the list not to be killed will be made king. The King will not be informed of who you are. You also can not choose any player you already made King unless you cannot fulfill your role otherwise (i,e only a few people are left whom you've all made king). You can't nominate yourself to be King either under any circumstances. The King is essentially a day vigilante who must type ##Lynch: Player at some point during the day to kill someone. If the king's vote is bought by the politician, the politician also controls the king's lynch.

Now, several key words in this: 'MUST'.
It's obvious now that there is a KingMaker in the game (or someone is blatantly lying about his power).

This means that on the previous days there HAD to have been kings as well. I read this that EVERY day a King will be made, and EVERY day he must kill someone. D1 maybe not necesarry, D2 there had to be a King, D3 was skipped, now D4 we have a King.

Tl;DR: Either Mets is lying about being King (i'm inclined to believe him myself), or the role was messed up (not used correctly)?

[Metsfanmax]

Well, you'll see soon that I wasn't lying about being King. (What good would it do to lie about it? You'll know by end of day today whether I was telling the truth or not.) As for why there was no King lynch before: not sure. But there have been a shit load of mod kills this game, and maybe some of those were from people who failed to exercise the power.

[dd515087]

Why is a raven like a writing desk?

[mtamburini]

Its good you got a mafia check, but I would've preferred you checked me to get people to get off my fucking case and let me lead this town.

MTam, my darling cherub (I just want to pinch your cheeks)!
Would you kindly give your read on the players left alive in case you are lynched, then you can influence the townies from the grave...

2 mtamburini
6 Metsfanmax
7 jonty125
9 legionnare
10 streaker
12 charm
14 dd515087
16 Zivel
17 jwiedlin
20 Iron Butterfly UltrasPlot
21 Some7hingCLEVER TheForgivenOne

If you think Im ever getting lynched then your sadly mistaken. I will give my reads in the night phase after I see what DD`s alignment is.

[mtamburini]

I would like to see some claims on those other inventions so that we can check the validity of them.

OK, in light of Storr's comment, now is as good as any of a time to observe that I received the Magnifying Glass on D2. The magnifying glass allowed me to see a set of tracks between two players on the previous night (N1), but all I could see was who interacted with who, but not which person was the visitor and which was the visited. I saw a set of tracks between jwiedlin and Iron Butterfly. I don't know if this gives us anything useful, but in light of Storr's comment I'm going to go vote dd since I just find it exceedingly unlikely that mafia's remaining two roles are something like Inventor and Framer.

I am also the King today. I am required to lynch one person before the end of day. Since dd's going to be lynched, I am thinking that I should use this on either mtam or ultras -- whoever y'all think is more suspicious. I am leaning towards mtam but I could be swayed. Either way, I must pull that trigger before end of day tomorrow.

Were probably both town so either one of us is a bad lynch. Not sure if your power grants us an extra lynch or not but if that is the case it should be used on someone at the end of the roster as mafia are more likely to draft all different numbers so it is likely that a town and a mafia will pick the same number. That is one of the big reasons a mass claim today wouldve been good so we can see what numbers people entered into the draft.

[mtamburini]

I would like to see some claims on those other inventions so that we can check the validity of them.

OK, in light of Storr's comment, now is as good as any of a time to observe that I received the Magnifying Glass on D2. The magnifying glass allowed me to see a set of tracks between two players on the previous night (N1), but all I could see was who interacted with who, but not which person was the visitor and which was the visited. I saw a set of tracks between jwiedlin and Iron Butterfly. I don't know if this gives us anything useful, but in light of Storr's comment I'm going to go vote dd since I just find it exceedingly unlikely that mafia's remaining two roles are something like Inventor and Framer.

I am also the King today. I am required to lynch one person before the end of day. Since dd's going to be lynched, I am thinking that I should use this on either mtam or ultras -- whoever y'all think is more suspicious. I am leaning towards mtam but I could be swayed. Either way, I must pull that trigger before end of day tomorrow.

So in light of the footsteps, jwieldin were you roleblocked ever this game.

[mtamburini]

With IB being replaced, it was unlikely he submitted a night action so im inclined ot beleive jwiedlin visited IB

[TheForgivenOne]

With IB being replaced, it was unlikely he submitted a night action so im inclined ot beleive jwiedlin visited IB

That's probably true. jwiedlin, can you confirm that?

My vote is going onto dd, as I have a hard time believing that jw made up that the Muffin had a Cop check attached to it that just seems stupid. Also asking the Inventor to reveal is downright dumb. Why don't you claim and actually try to defend yourself, instead of trying to throw doubt in the air.

Second, why would the Inventor make items that potentially help town? As weird as they seem, they don't exactly look like they are hurting town in one bit. If I was a Maf inventor, i'd make items that hinder town. Although I'm curious as to where the Lens of Truth went. Oh well.

I'm starting to believe mtam is town. I'd also like to believe that jw is town as he was pushing for the DJ lynch, even though he easily could have joined onto Hotshot's lynch on d1 if he was mafia.

[dd515087]

I tried to claim, but no one got my riddle

[dd515087]

It's too late anyway at this point, I have so many votes and the likely hood of everyone getting on to switch in the next hour is very low

[jwiedlin]

I tried to claim, but no one got my riddle

^^ He is claiming the mad hatter role.

I was role-blocked night 1. I mentioned this somewhere in the middle of page 18.

[TheForgivenOne]

I tried to claim, but no one got my riddle

Or, instead of using a riddle, you could actually tell us instead of making us guess

FP by jw:

Thanks, that flew right over my head.

[dd515087]

I tried to claim, but no one got my riddle

Or, instead of using a riddle, you could actually tell us instead of making us guess

FP by jw:

Thanks, that flew right over my head.

Where's the fun in that?

[Metsfanmax]

Alright, well I'm running out of time and I have to decide, so as King I am going to

##Lynch UltrasPlot

As scummy as mtam has been in his posts, I really do lean towards him being town, I just don't think he would have done what he did if he were scum.

[StorrZerg]

Mod announcement


UltrasPlot has been lynched

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End of day is in 1 hour.
The lynch concludes at that time as well, 17:00cc

[StorrZerg]

Mod announcement Double lynch

Day 4 Voting

Double lynch is in progress

mtamburini (2): dd515087, streaker
dd515087 (8): jwiedlin, mtamburini , Zivel, charm, Metsfanmax, UltrasPlot, jonty125, streaker, TheForgivenOne
UltrasPlot(0): legionnare
streaker (1): dd515087

Atm dd515087 is set to be the 1st lynched with 8 votes.
streaker is set to be the 2nd lynch with 1 vote


Those who have yet to vote 1
legionnare (not at fault since person he was lynching "died")


Day 4 ends 10/21 17:00

[mtamburini]

Oh my god I told you he was fucking town. If streaker is town im surwe lose today. A better seconds lynch is charm or zivel imo

[mtamburini]

Sorry that's only the case of dd is town and streaker. Would his entire team bus him here? Maybe but with the game in mylo now I fucking scared. I think charn should die for mentioning double lynch previously looks scummy now that it's here. She also mentioned something about jwiedlin too sifting or something like that hard to read on phone.

[jwiedlin]

I'm not sure if the votes are already decided, or if there is an extended deadline.

I changed my vote to Metsfanmax. I don't see the logic behind lynching Ultras. Mets has had some questionable voting patterns as well.

DD remains the #1 lynch IMO.

[StorrZerg]

i have 11 mins till dead line

https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 5#p4569178

viewtopic...&start=400#p4567158

viewtopic...&start=350#p4566151

Dead line has always been this time

[mtamburini]

Vote jwi. He voted legion first in thread then mets. There has to be one mafia between him and dd this will save the game for town.