[CL6] Premier Division (1: TOFU, 2: ACE, 3: FALL) 2 MVPs!

[IcePack]

Fallen is in for the FoW rule.

Just a note from CD perspective as part of the competition however, the remakes would not be enforced through the CD's. But if everyone makes the required posting about what was accidentally hit / neighboring etc it wouldn't be an issue anyway.

[jcstriker]

what rules are associated with your fog apart from the 12hr lol

You oppose this, why? Looks like all the top clans enjoy the gentleman's agreement.

We have always honoured the 12hour fog rule in wars. It's a courtesy thing.

[uckuki]

Fog of War Vote
so far: 11 yes 0 no

YES
1. FOED
2. TOFU
3. ACE
4. RET
5. MM
6. KORT
7. IA
8. TSM
9. TNC
10. FALL
11. LEG
12.

NO
1.

the remakes would not be enforced through the CD's

then take out the remake clause, just have the courtesy rule?

12 hour Fog of War rule in effect. If broken, the offending team has to copy/paste
game log and reveal those territories that would have been visible to opposing team.
The rule does not apply to conquest maps or where the only action is deploy/fort without attacks.

[IcePack]

That would be fine

[codierose]

Gentlemen's rule I have no problem with. The rule with penalties i do.
Yes from ++the legion++ to the gentlemen's agreement.

[Agent 86]

Gentlemen's rule I have no problem with. The rule with penalties i do.
Yes from ++the legion++ to the gentlemen's agreement.

Now I know what you're saying, penalty for not following the 12hr rule if it's in place. Looks like that won't be a problem, so anyone heard from RA on their opinion? Well I've informed the clan that the 12hr rule is in place for all fog games except for conquest maps. We are happy about this and won't need to label games as such.

86

[Dualta]

First in, best dressed

TOFU vs LEG - Home games

Dubs:
Game 14909276 - Draknor - Nuclear, Adj, Fog, Trench - Catnipdreams, Fulch
Game 14909278 - Lunar - No Spoils, Chained, Fog - Jackal31, Armandolas

Trips:
Game 14909282 - Sydney Metro - No Spoils, Chained, Fog - Denise, Deli, MudPuppy
Game 14909283 - Poison Rome - No Spoils, Chained, Fog - Denise, Dualta, Jabajabba
Game 14909286 - Indian Empire - No Spoils, Adj, Fog, Trench - Arama86n, Casper, Denise

Quads:
Game 14909297 - Hive - Nuclear, Unlimited, Fog - Deli, Kexor, Catnipdreams, Chrispond
Game 14909300 - Eurasia - No Spoils, Chained, Fog, Trench - Kex, Casper, Hopalong, Tim
Game 14909306 - Das Schloss - No Spoils, Chained, Fog - Dualta, Deli, Armando, Chrispond

[angola]

ACE vs. TSM
Doubles
Game 14912148 Vertex NS, CH, FOG - jj3044, PaRKoN
Game 14912149 Baseball ESC, FOG, CH, TRENCH - IanG7, kjg21

Triples
Game 14912154 Dark Continent NS, FOG, CH - slaylark, swimmerdude99, jj3044
Game 14912156 New Zealand NS, CH, FOG - jj3044, JJ41375, PaRKoN
Game 14912158 Cuban Missile Crisis ESC, FOG, CH - jetsetwilly, Crazysnakeguy, swimmerdude99

Quads
Game 14912159 Conquer 500 NS, FOG, CH, TRENCH - JJ41375, PaRKoN, slaylark, swimmerdude99
Game 14912161 Salem's Switch NS, FOG, CH - hyposquasher, skillfusniper33, kjg21, Jackofalltrades
Game 14912163 Kings Court II NS, FOG, CH - Geger, Hook2, slaylark, kjg21

[drpall]

R1 MM v RA (fog)

Good luck gentlemen

D1: Arms Race;NS;C;F - william tennant/general cod Game 14913250
D2: D-Day;NS;C;F;T - Tennisie/Lord Arioch Game 14913251
T1: Trench Warfare;NS;C;F - loutil/Blitzkrieg Frank/BigBallinStalin Game 14913254
T2: Berlin 1961;NS;C;F - Tennisie/TheMissionary/hlbart Game 14913255
T3: Northwest Passage;NS;C;F - william tennant/general cod/Matt2006 Game 14913264
Q1: Third Crusade;NS;C;F - loutil/BigBallinStalin/Nola_Lifer/Lockup Game 14913293
Q2: WWI Ottoman Empire;NS;C;F - BigBallinStalin/Nola_Lifer/Lord Arioch/Liveoak Game 14913295
Q3: Feudal Epic;Esc;C;F - drpall/Lockup/enjoycocacola/Liveoak Game 14913297

R1 MM v RA (fog)

[uckuki]

R1 FOED vs IA (fog)

Dubs
1. Route 66 - zombie, chained, fog - uckuki, JPlo64 Game 14913446
2. Dark Continent - flat, chained, fog - Robespierre__, Fyrdraca Game 14913450

Trips
1. Three Kingdoms Of Korea - esc, chained, fog - uckuki, Robespierre__, RobbieDub Game 14913455
2. Rorke's Drift - no spoil, chained, sunny - ooge, Kid Moe, woodsy2115 Game 14913458
3. Classic - esc, chained, sunny - ddgrimes, Royal Panda, dschulman Game 14913459

Quads
1. WWII Australia - flat, chained, fog - uckuki, JPlo64, timogl, Kid Moe Game 14913469
2. San Francisco - esc, chained, sunny - AlbroShlo, MNDuke, Royal Panda, dschulman Game 14913474
3. Conquer Rome - no spoils, chained, fog, trench 20 rounds - Avi8or, woodsy2115, ElricTheGreat, nicarus Game 14913479

gl

[codierose]

RD1 ++LEG++ Vs TOFU
doubles
Game 14913753 AOR 3 fog no chained culs de sac rkcved
Game 14929869 AOR 2 fog esc chained 2007spaceodyssey *pixar* trench

triples
Game 14913794 Prohibition Chicago fog no chained lynch5762 jordy2425 kiwi3
Game 14913800 All Your Base Are Belong To Us fog esc chained culs de sac *pixar* codierose
Game 14913817 route66 fog no chained chemefreak gordito downfall

quads
Game 14913916 Supermax: Prison Riot! fog no chained ubcman64 chemefreak gordito jcstriker
Game 14913927 ww11 poland fog no chained lynch5762 jordy2425 kiwi3 murphy16
Game 14913836 usa 2.1 fog esc chained rkcved fewnix jcstriker 2007spaceodyssey

[friendly1]

R1 TSM vs ACE

Round 1
October 5th: TSM vs ACE

Home Games

D: NWPassage:Game 14913787 ns, ch, foggy - osujacket, nate the great
D: Arctic:Game 14913789 ns, ch, sunny - firstholliday, treslie
T: Trafalgar:Game 14913791ns, ch, foggy - nate the great, laughing cavalier, junior bee
T: Age of Merchants:Game 14913793 ns, ch , foggy - , dustin800, friendly1, junior bee
T: WWII Europe:Game 14913795 ns, ch, foggy - larsin, laughingcavalier, sam02
Q: Great Lakes:Game 14913807 ns, ch, foggy - hatchman, skillfull, jcmagno, ender_w99
Q: NYC:Game 14913811 ns, ch, foggy - skillfull, bonomo, risktycoon, dustin800
Q: Supermax:Game 14913812 ns, ch, foggy - osujacket, friendly1, junior bee, treslie

Players Game Count (Alphabetical)
1 blind date 0
2 bonomo101 1
3 codeblue1018 0
4 dustin800 2
5 ender_w99 1
6 firstholliday 1
7 friendly1 2
8 hatchman 1
9 jcmagno 1
10 junior bee 3
11 kratos644 0
12 larsin 1
13 laughingcavalier 2
14 luckywar 0
15 merch313 0
16 nate the great 2
17 osujacket 2
18 risktycoon 1
19 sam02 1
20 skillfull 2
21 treslie 2
22 vuk samotnjak 0

Map Count
Northwest Passage 1
Arctic 1
Trafalgar 1
Age of Merchants 1
World 2.1 1
Great Lakes 1
New York City 1
Supermax: Prison Riot 1

ACE vs. TSM
Doubles
Game 14912148 Vertex NS, CH, FOG - Hatchman, Osujacket
Game 14912149 Baseball ESC, FOG, CH, TRENCH - sam02, skillfull

Triples
Game 14912154 Dark Continent NS, FOG, CH - junior bee, skillfull, friendly1
Game 14912156 New Zealand NS, CH, FOG - bonomo101, ender_w99, risktycoon
Game 14912158 Cuban Missile Crisis ESC, FOG, CH - friendly1, LaughingCavalier, treslie

Quads
Game 14912159 Conquer 500 NS, FOG, CH, TRENCH - junior bee, LaughingCavalier, jcmagno, treslie
Game 14912161 Salem's Switch NS, FOG, CH - nate the great, osujacket, dustin800, risktycoon
Game 14912163 Kings Court II NS, FOG, CH - JCMagno, ender_w99, dustin800, sam02

Players Game Count (Alphabetical)
1 blind date
2 bonomo101 1
3 codeblue1018
4 dustin800 2
5 ender_w99 2
6 firstholliday
7 friendly1 2
8 hatchman 1
9 jcmagno 2
10 junior bee 2
11 kratos644
12 larsin
13 laughingcavalier 2
14 luckywar
15 merch313
16 nate the great 1
17 osujacket 2
18 risktycoon 2
19 sam02 2
20 skillfull 2
21 treslie 2

[IcePack]

Round 1 vs KORT

Game 14914841 D: TOG nokelberry triple 6 FR CH FOG
Game 14914856 D: feudal epic rcfritz osman76 NS CH FOG TRENCH
Game 14914856 T: Baltic Crusades graceless_ egel Nolefan5311 NS CH FOG
Game 14914852 T: New World goranz aad0906 tbayjosh NS CH FOG
Game 14914850 T: DS goranz egel nolefan5311 NS CH. FOG
Game 14914849 Q: Antarctica IcePack egel nolefan5311 osman76 ESC CH FOG
Game 14914845 Q: AYB stealth99 graceless_ agentcom aad0906 FR CH FOG
Game 14914841 Q: Stalingrad stealth99 Jefjef rcfritz aad0906 NS CH FOG

[therealdeal_37]

R1 RET vs TNC

Dubs: Game 14914495 Dawn Of Ages (NS, Chained, Fog Trench); conde180711, ltrain
Dubs: Game 14914496 City Mogul (NS, Chained, Fog); Steve The Mighty, trlester
Trips: Game 14914497 New World (NS, Chained, Fog); Al B. Damned, spanishclaret, sonofabs
Trips: Game 14914499 Lunar War (NS, Chained, Fog); therealdeal_37, conde180711, trevor33
Trips: Game 14914500 Pearl Harbor (NS, Chained, Fog Trench); therealdeal_37, conde180711, Anthrax821
Quads: Game 14914503 Tribal War - Ancient Israel (NS, Sunny, Chained); The_Samurai, currahee68, schiballs, chakon
Quads: Game 14914504 Conquer 500 (NS, Chained, Fog) currahee68, The_Samurai, Ltrain, therealdeal_37
Quads: Game 14914506 D-Day: Omaha Beach! (NS, Chained, Fog Trench); daniely, trlester, wamd9060, Kantsi

[VioIet]

Looks like that won't be a problem, so anyone heard from RA on their opinion?

I apologize for my late reply.

RA never has and never will support the Fog rule. I've debated a bit about it in the past, but it seems that people have different perspectives about it. And there are ladies on this site, such as myself, so why is it a "gentleman's" rule?" (I am partially joking with that last comment).

If I am playing a fog of war clan game, I would prefer if the other team DID NOT wait for 12 hours or tell us their starting locations. To me, it diminishes the competitiveness and ruins the whole spirit of fog. I don't want to know where my opponents' regions are- that's the whole fun of playing fog. I want to rely on skill, strategy and the game log to try to figure it out myself. Going second can possibly be a disadvantage on many maps/games/settings, but I accept that. But just because my team moves second, doesn't mean that we need any sort of freebie, or hint to try to "level" the playing field; we can do that ourselves. At least, that's how I look at it. I apologize in advance if I offend anyone or seem "uncourteous." That is not at all my intention. I just do not like the principal/purpose behind the rule, and I could never abide to it with "good feelings."

I'm sure many of you guys will probably have no problem beating RA with or without the Fog rule, so hopefully it will not be a big deal that I vote no. I definitely think we are the underdogs here, but I am honored that we made it to the Premier League for the first time in our clan history. I very much look forward to facing all of you. Some clans- it will be our first match-up ever.


Anyway, here are RA's games:


R1: RA vs MM

Quads

Game 14915096Thyseneal- stotzi, scipio79, p*funk, tamaynet
esc, chained, fog trench
Round Limit: 20

Game 14915098WWII Ardennes- jseal, p*funk!, vioIet, mackadoo
no spoils, chained, fog

Game 14915107Iberia- stotzi, mauregard, Jimmy V, mackadoo
no spoils, chained, fog


Trips

Game 14915110Astro-Hungarian Empire- stotzi, tamaynet, mauregard
no spoils, chained, fog

Game 14915113Eygpt: Nubia: yamamoto66, jseal, fuzzy316
no spoils, chained, fog

Game 14915114Third Crusade: Scipio79, p*funk!, mackadoo
no spoils, chained, fog


Dubs

Game 14918596Benelux- Trailman, Tamaynet
no spoils, chained, sunny

Game 14915118All Your Bases- VioIet, Jimmy V
no spoils, chained, fog

show: Player Count

[Agent 86]

IA vs FOED (fog)

Dubs:
Game 14913345 Das Schloss : Escalating Chained Fog : PROFITS, BRADDY
Game 14913343 King Of The Mountains : No Spoils Chained Fog : Agent 86, Colonel Krink

Trips:
Game 14913355 Cairns Coral Coast : No Spoils Chained No : Redfelt, BRADDY, PROFITS
Game 14913349 First Nations Americas : No Spoils Chained No : TheProwler, BRADDY, PROFITS
Game 14913348 Cricket : No Spoils Chained Fog : Agent 86, Colonel Krink, lokisgal

Quads:
Game 14913376 WWII Europe : No Spoils Chained Fog : vintender, JustCallMeStupid, 4red, Stbtgal
Game 14913370 Bamboo Jack : No Spoils Chained Fog : TheProwler, JustCallMeStupid, Redfelt, cutebastard71
Game 14913366 Monsters : No Spoils Chained Fog : Agent 86, Colonel Krink, TheProwler, cutebastard71 4.8

[uckuki]

ok, so no FoW when playing RA?

[drpall]

I am afraid that I already marked MM home games against RA as fog, but this is duly noted.
No 12 h rule against RA.

Game numbers would help a lot though

[Epitaph1]

TNC v. RET

All settings are NS, chained, foggy, except Feudal which is escalating.

Dubs

Game 14916155 - England - Ragian, BlackKnight_6
Game 14916156 - Fractured China - joshzam, Tobikera

Trips

Game 14916160 - Stalingrad - ckyrias, dana1971, Epitaph1
Game 14916200 - Flanders - BGtheBrain, jonofperu, MoB Deadly
Game 14916203 - Feudal Epic - dana1971, Ragian, uyumaykimaw

Quads

Game 14916204 - Schloss - BGtheBrain, cooldeals, Epitaph1, happyfeet
Game 14916209 - France - Tobikera, joshzam, jonofperu, Clacie
Game 14916221 - Unification Germany - BlackKnight_6, tenbar, WinstonTurqhill, tokle

[PaRKoN]

RA never has and never will support the Fog rule. I've debated a bit about it in the past, but it seems that people have different perspectives about it. And there are ladies on this site, such as myself, so why is it a "gentleman's" rule?" (I am partially joking with that last comment).

If I am playing a fog of war clan game, I would prefer if the other team DID NOT wait for 12 hours or tell us their starting locations. To me, it diminishes the competitiveness and ruins the whole spirit of fog. I don't want to know where my opponents' regions are- that's the whole fun of playing fog. I want to rely on skill, strategy and the game log to try to figure it out myself. Going second can possibly be a disadvantage on many maps/games/settings, but I accept that. But just because my team moves second, doesn't mean that we need any sort of freebie, or hint to try to "level" the playing field; we can do that ourselves. At least, that's how I look at it. I apologize in advance if I offend anyone or seem "uncourteous." That is not at all my intention. I just do not like the principal/purpose behind the rule, and I could never abide to it with "good feelings."

I am sure you get the difference between midturns and the initial picture of the map. Both teams deserve to know how the drop was before game begins and that has nothing to do with having fun playing fog, it's about being good sportsmanship. What you are talking about applies perfectly for every turn except for the first one.

[Lindax]

RA never has and never will support the Fog rule. I've debated a bit about it in the past, but it seems that people have different perspectives about it. And there are ladies on this site, such as myself, so why is it a "gentleman's" rule?" (I am partially joking with that last comment).

If I am playing a fog of war clan game, I would prefer if the other team DID NOT wait for 12 hours or tell us their starting locations. To me, it diminishes the competitiveness and ruins the whole spirit of fog. I don't want to know where my opponents' regions are- that's the whole fun of playing fog. I want to rely on skill, strategy and the game log to try to figure it out myself. Going second can possibly be a disadvantage on many maps/games/settings, but I accept that. But just because my team moves second, doesn't mean that we need any sort of freebie, or hint to try to "level" the playing field; we can do that ourselves. At least, that's how I look at it. I apologize in advance if I offend anyone or seem "uncourteous." That is not at all my intention. I just do not like the principal/purpose behind the rule, and I could never abide to it with "good feelings."

I am sure you get the difference between midturns and the initial picture of the map. Both teams deserve to know how the drop was before game begins and that has nothing to do with having fun playing fog, it's about being good sportsmanship. What you are talking about applies perfectly for every turn except for the first one.

Ok guys, let's not discuss this issue in this thread. In my experience people have strong feelings/opinions about the FoW 12 hour courtesy rule and you're unlikely to change those feelings/opinions with a few posts back and forth.

Let's all simply respect each others point of view and whether or not a clan decides to follow the courtesy rule or not.

Thanks,

Lx

[VioIet]

I am afraid that I already marked MM home games against RA as fog, but this is duly noted.
No 12 h rule against RA.

Game numbers would help a lot though

No worries about the fog label.


My post has been edited with the game numbers.

[angola]

ACE players for TSM away games:

D: NWPassage:Game 14913787 ns, ch, foggy - - jetsetwilly, Gen. Ramsarelli
D: Arctic:Game 14913789 ns, ch, sunny - Qyu, JJ3044
T: Trafalgar:Game 14913791ns, ch, foggy - e - Crazysnakeguy nicestash jj3044
T: Age of Merchants:Game 14913793 ns, ch , foggy - , - skillfusniper33 jj3044 nicestash
T: WWII Europe:Game 14913795 ns, ch, foggy - - Steiner75, BobZimmerman, Qyu
Q: Great Lakes:Game 14913807 ns, ch, foggy - - Slaylark, Hyposquasher, Ccatman, Gen ramsarelli
Q: NYC:Game 14913811 ns, ch, foggy - pconnolly365 Hook2, mkcummins - Angola
Q: Supermax:Game 14913812 ns, ch, foggy - pconnolly365 skillfusniper33 PaRKoN mkcummins

[fishydance]

R1 games exchanged with FALL on Sunday, October 5.

2014 [CL6] Premier Division - R1 KORT vs FALL
Dubs
Game 14922048 D1: World Cup, NS, Ch, Sun - Pirlo, watsy
Game 14922049 D2: Das Schloss, NS, Ch, Fog - hmsps, pascalleke

Trips
Game 14922054 T1: Aor3, Nuc, Ch, Fog - watsy, TeeGee, Mageplunka69
Game 14922055 T2: New Zealand, Esc, Adj, Sun - Brucewar, All Black Rugby, DaveKettering
Game 14922056 T3: Eurasia, Flat, Ch, Sun - random21, John DM, Fishydance

Quads
Game 14922071 Q1: USA 2.1, Adj, Trench, NS, Fog - random21, John DM, Fishydance, TeeGee
Game 14922058 Q2: Fuedal Epic, Esc, Ch, Fog - hmsps, italianipastido, pascalleke, General Roy
Game 14922062 Q3: FNA Esc, Unl, Sun - All Black Rugby, random21, fishydance, DaveKettering

[drpall]

MM away squad, round 1.

Q1. Thyseneal- esc, chained, fog trench, 20 rounds - Game 14915096
loutil/SpazzAttack/drpall/Tennisie
Q2. WWII Ardennes- no spoils, chained, fog - BigBallinStalin/Nola_Lifer/Liveoak/enjoycocacola Game 14915098
Q3. Iberia- no spoils, chained, fog - SpazzAttack/potager1/loutil/BigBallinStalin Game 14915107

T1. Astro-Hungarian Empire- no spoils, chained, fog - Blitzkrieg Frank/TheMissionary/giannikas Game 14915110
T2. Eygpt: Nubia: no spoils, chained, fog - Blitzkrieg Frank/general cod/hlbart Game 14915113
T3. Third Crusade: no spoils, chained, fog - Nola_Lifer/BigBallinStalin/giannikas Game 14915114

D1: Benelux- no spoils, chained, sunny - william tennant/general cod Game 14918596
D2: All Your Bases- no spoils, chained, fog - Liveoak/Lord Arioch Game 14915118