CC cheating dice manipulation

[lilice]

Conquer Club ownership and administration


CC admins need to stop manipulating dice stats. I am about to quit again...these dice stats are ridiculous...almost 3-1 loss against me

lilice 4.9 vs all opponents
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -21% 10 20 +5% 5 2 0 0 +9% 2 1 0 0 0 0
Defend -25% 6 22 +2% 8 14 0 0 -9% 1 2 0 0 -58% 0 1
Total -23% 16 42 +3% 13 16 0 0 0% 3 3 0 0 -58% 0 1


Accused:

CC admin
CC management




The accused are suspected of:

Being Multis
Conducting Secret Diplomacy
Severe PM Abuse
Other: <Explanation>



Game number(s):

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=14772319
but u can log into all my games and see that my dice suck on all my games....this game is just the most recent crap going on and its been crap dice for the last 3 rounds.


Comments:I do not want to pay to play a game that is supposed to be fun when it doesnt matter how good you are strategically when admin and ownership allow dice manipulation...make the games fair or how hard is that to do??? Grow the hell up!!

[Edric Wolfswift]

Your dice distribution actually looks pretty good. Down on defense but on the plus side overall

lilice's Dice Stats
Recent dice rolls (25 battles)
Luck Avg Roll
Assault +19% 3.97
Defend -11% 3.23
Total +10% 3.75

[Major.Bossman]

It is possible that while your dice suck in one game they are much better in another. I have had games where a stack of 12 lost to only 2 and times when 10 lost to 1. There are times when you may lose 8 or 10 troops straight and times when you can elminate those same numbers without taking a loss. It is possible that in some games you are suffering from repeated bad luck as most players do. It is probable that if you play a lot more games with the same individuals your bad dice should become good and eventually even out.

[clangfield]

Quite - your overall dice stats are exactly 3.50 average, which is precisely what they should be.
I have runs where I oscillate from sergeant to captain and back again - same maps, same strategy, one just gets a bad run, then a good run.
One tend to remember the 8-1 losses and forgets the 8-1 wins.

[Doctor Spin]

Lilice is quite right. The dice ARE manipulated - as are the dice stats. Yet, he's clearly getting better dice than me as he's a colonel. I oscillate between sergeant and lieutenant. Whenever I rise towards captain I am consistently given bullshit dice until I'm back down the ranks again.
This is a consistent pattern. I've played over 12,000 games so I have an idea what I'm talking about. I do not believe many other players can beat me on strategy (at least on the maps I know), so why the hell are my dice so predictably bad. Just in the last 2 days alone, I've lost games purely because the dice failed me when attacking the opponents' last man. This morning I took a 6v1 hit against the last man. It's certainly enough to make you paranoid. I'm convinced I'm given a worse dice "pattern" or algorithm than most others. They are certainly not random.

[TeeGee]

moving this to General discussion forum

[jammyjames]

welcome to random.org bullshit.

Go back to an excel random generator, even that is far superior than the bullshit Random.org claim!

[Endgame422]

Lilice is quite right. The dice ARE manipulated - as are the dice stats. Yet, he's clearly getting better dice than me as he's a colonel. I oscillate between sergeant and lieutenant. Whenever I rise towards captain I am consistently given bullshit dice until I'm back down the ranks again.

This is ridiculous. You believe that CC as some kind of program that factors in your rank and gives you progressively worse dice the higher you climb? If that is the case shouldn't the conqueror have the worst dice on the site? Or are you claiming that the admins around here are actively watching your games and saying "hmm spin doctors rank of captain is much too high, we better ruin his dice for a couple games."?
Get real. The management of this site is doing everything it can to retain membership and does not even have the time/resources to complete its own goals(like turning a profit), Let alone personally ruining specific players games just to piss them off. I mean, really? What purpose could that possibly serve?

[lilice]

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying...the admins have the power to manipulate the dice stats and they do it often...I have played the conqueror 4 games on the Hive map in poly quads and every game had the exact same pattern...we would be even then 1 full turn later he would be 40 troops ahead of me. In 1 game specifically I had a higher deploy than him for the first 4 rounds then miraculously the next round I was 40 troops behind him...no spoils.

I have played against a General in a quads game and we had the game won he even stated GG as they would have to have perfect dice to win....next round the whole tea, lost 0 troops and killed 3 terts each player as they only had 3 deploys so they couldnt kill anymore troops.

What u have all not even noticed was I posted my battle outcomes against my last random 25 opponents and attacking I killed almost 1 troop for every 3 i lost with attackers advantage...If u look at my wall u can also see that I have a 800 point swing in my stats...the most points I win in a game is 100-160 in a 12 man game...i play very few of those therefore I work my a$$ off to get my score up then CC admin strips the points away cuz they think it fun or funny.

Finally, I logged my stats for a month straight when my dice bombed...and 21 of my 24 opponents i recently played I had red(negative) dice stats overall for an entire month straight and after that month I was down 800 points....yet I have never seen my dice stats stay above 3.60 overall for more than 1 day at a time but I had 2.20-3.30 dice stats for a month straight there is no swing of me not noticing my good rolls there were just no good rolls to notice...how else can KORT and TOFU stay on top with such uncanny win loss ratios...I am as good if not better strategically then all of their players

[lilice]

Here are all my recent battle outcomes with players I have more than 10 battles with...good and bad...at the bottom is a list of some of the top players on CC and if u notice those top players all time battle outcomes with me ironically they are slightly to highly favored on all overall kill stats...if the dice are so even how is that possible???

lilice 4.9 vs u suck 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -29% 2 6 +34% 1 0 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 0 0
Defend -9% 3 5 -5% 4 10 0 0 +58% 2 0 0 0 0 0
Total -19% 5 11 -3% 5 10 0 0 +19% 2 1 0 0 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs Auger13 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0 0 +34% 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend -11% 14 26 -9% 1 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -11% 14 26 0% 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs deejones 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault +9% 5 3 +34% 2 0 0 0 +42% 1 0 0 0 0 0
Defend -46% 0 4 -20% 1 6 0 0 -42% 0 1 0 0 +42% 1 0
Total -10% 5 7 -8% 3 6 0 0 0% 1 1 0 0 +42% 1 0
lilice 4.9 vs ElricTheGreat 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0 0 -16% 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend +1% 28 32 +16% 2 2 -61% 0 2 +58% 1 0 0 0 +42% 1 0
Total +1% 28 32 +5% 3 3 -61% 0 2 +58% 1 0 0 0 +42% 1 0
lilice 4.9 vs friendly1 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend -23% 5 17 -1% 3 6 0 0 +8% 1 1 0 0 -58% 0 1
Total -23% 5 17 -1% 3 6 0 0 +8% 1 1 0 0 -58% 0 1
lilice 4.9 vs mikehayes 4.6
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend 0% 48 56 +16% 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 0% 48 56 +16% 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs pete h 4.7
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend +1% 2492 2780 +9% 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total +1% 2492 2780 +9% 3 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs PedroV100 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault +6% 53 35 +20% 6 1 0 0 +42% 1 0 0 0 0 0
Defend -3% 20 26 +1% 8 15 0 0 +58% 1 0 0 0 +42% 1 0
Total +3% 73 61 +5% 14 16 0 0 +50% 2 0 0 0 +42% 1 0
lilice 4.9 vs runboy59 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -4% 16 16 -9% 4 3 0 0 -8% 1 1 0 0 0 0
Defend +1% 15 17 +6% 4 6 +39% 2 0 -42% 0 1 0 0 0 0
Total -2% 31 33 0% 8 9 +39% 2 0 -19% 1 2 0 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs xiakka 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault +1% 12 10 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Defend -11% 22 40 -34% 0 1 0 0 0 0 -25% 1 1 0 0
Total -8% 34 50 -34% 0 1 0 0 0 0 -25% 1 1 0 0
lilice 4.9 vs Kaskavel 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 1727 1493 -3% 498 295 +6% 68 82 0% 126 92 +11% 14 24 -4% 33 55
Defend -1% 1651 2005 0% 708 1384 -24% 6 10 +1% 94 124 +6% 4 1 +5% 39 23
Total -1% 3378 3498 -1% 1206 1679 +3% 74 92 0% 220 216 +11% 18 25 -1% 72 78
lilice 4.9 vs laughingcavalier 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -2% 70 64 +10% 13 4 -39% 0 2 +22% 8 2 0 0 +58% 1 0
Defend -3% 47 63 +4% 18 30 0 0 -14% 5 13 0 0 0 0
Total -2% 117 127 +5% 31 34 -39% 0 2 -1% 13 15 0 0 +58% 1 0
lilice 4.9 vs tec805 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -5% 39 41 -2% 14 8 -39% 0 2 +9% 2 1 0 0 0 0
Defend -5% 22 32 +2% 15 27 0 0 -2% 2 3 0 0 -58% 0 1
Total -5% 61 73 0% 29 35 -39% 0 2 +2% 4 4 0 0 -58% 0 1
lilice 4.9 vs loes 4.9
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -9% 27 33 -6% 18 12 0 0 +9% 6 3 0 0 +58% 2 0
Defend +2% 57 63 +7% 20 29 0 0 -17% 2 6 0 0 -58% 0 3
Total -2% 84 96 +2% 38 41 0 0 -3% 8 9 0 0 -12% 2 3

[loutil]

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying...the admins have the power to manipulate the dice stats and they do it often...I have played the conqueror 4 games on the Hive map in poly quads and every game had the exact same pattern...we would be even then 1 full turn later he would be 40 troops ahead of me. In 1 game specifically I had a higher deploy than him for the first 4 rounds then miraculously the next round I was 40 troops behind him...no spoils.

I have played against a General in a quads game and we had the game won he even stated GG as they would have to have perfect dice to win....next round the whole tea, lost 0 troops and killed 3 terts each player as they only had 3 deploys so they couldnt kill anymore troops.

What u have all not even noticed was I posted my battle outcomes against my last random 25 opponents and attacking I killed almost 1 troop for every 3 i lost with attackers advantage...If u look at my wall u can also see that I have a 800 point swing in my stats...the most points I win in a game is 100-160 in a 12 man game...i play very few of those therefore I work my a$$ off to get my score up then CC admin strips the points away cuz they think it fun or funny.

Finally, I logged my stats for a month straight when my dice bombed...and 21 of my 24 opponents i recently played I had red(negative) dice stats overall for an entire month straight and after that month I was down 800 points....yet I have never seen my dice stats stay above 3.60 overall for more than 1 day at a time but I had 2.20-3.30 dice stats for a month straight there is no swing of me not noticing my good rolls there were just no good rolls to notice...how else can KORT and TOFU stay on top with such uncanny win loss ratios...I am as good if not better strategically then all of their players

I know your pain as I went into a 6 week dice tailspin. However, that is just normal variance and not a conspiracy. Let us look at your overall dice stats and we can see that you have as many good runs as bad as your dice are quite average...
Overall dice rolls
lilice 4.9 all opponents
Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's Luck Avg Roll 1's 2's 3's 4's 5's 6's
Assault 0% 3.50 142600 142158 142834 143092 142413 142431 0% 3.50 87286 87938 87971 88215 88171 87602
Defend 0% 3.50 60041 60194 60520 60699 60710 59976 0% 3.50 98712 100055 99158 99810 99681 98999
Total 0% 3.50 202641 202352 203354 203791 203123 202407 0% 3.50 185998 187993 187129 188025 187852 186601

[Donelladan]

Yes, that is precisely what I am saying...the admins have the power to manipulate the dice stats and they do it often...I have played the conqueror 4 games on the Hive map in poly quads and every game had the exact same pattern...we would be even then 1 full turn later he would be 40 troops ahead of me. In 1 game specifically I had a higher deploy than him for the first 4 rounds then miraculously the next round I was 40 troops behind him...no spoils.

I have played against a General in a quads game and we had the game won he even stated GG as they would have to have perfect dice to win....next round the whole tea, lost 0 troops and killed 3 terts each player as they only had 3 deploys so they couldnt kill anymore troops.

What u have all not even noticed was I posted my battle outcomes against my last random 25 opponents and attacking I killed almost 1 troop for every 3 i lost with attackers advantage...If u look at my wall u can also see that I have a 800 point swing in my stats...the most points I win in a game is 100-160 in a 12 man game...i play very few of those therefore I work my a$$ off to get my score up then CC admin strips the points away cuz they think it fun or funny.

Finally, I logged my stats for a month straight when my dice bombed...and 21 of my 24 opponents i recently played I had red(negative) dice stats overall for an entire month straight and after that month I was down 800 points....yet I have never seen my dice stats stay above 3.60 overall for more than 1 day at a time but I had 2.20-3.30 dice stats for a month straight there is no swing of me not noticing my good rolls there were just no good rolls to notice...how else can KORT and TOFU stay on top with such uncanny win loss ratios...I am as good if not better strategically then all of their players

lol. so funny.

Cmon ! What purpose would it serve? Why would they do that ? Forget it, it's not happening. You have bad day and good day, you may lose a lot of points in a few days a regain them as fast because of the dice.
But you rank reflect your overall performance on all your games, not only a few, therefore it doesn't matter that much that you lost a game because of dice, because your better skill at strategy will help you win more often as other.

Colonel isn't a bad rank, keep playing, if you're really as good as you think you'll go up in the future.
But having a very high rank isn't only having better skill, it is also playing ONLY the game that maximise the skill over the luck. If you play game (map/setting) in which luck can make you win alone, then you won't go high in rank.

[ry4260]

While I am not 100 % sure that dice are being manipulated things do smell a little fishy here. I have seen some pretty incredible dice rolls from other teams, yet none from teams I have been on, lately. It just makes you wonder if there are people who have the ability to adjust their dice odd settings when they REALLY need a good roll. And then they change them back so the overall dice are not skewed too much one way or another.

I am not computer savvy enough to know if this is possible but I certainly believe it is. And if the people who created this site have friends, and I am sure they do, then all of those people may have access to manipulating their dice when they needed to. And another important question is do the people who created the site also play? If so the moment they are crossed in a game in some way it would be easy for them to hold a grudge and possibly affect someones dice. And who knows when we come across players in both of these scenarios. I personally wouldn't know if I was in a game with the person who owns or helps run this site. Far fetched? Perhaps. Possible? I think yes. Enough so to make me lose trust in the site. And unfortunately when you lose trust in something you stop enjoying it.

[owenshooter]

*paranoid ramblings*

this is the most interesting post of the year... this is far beyond the usual conspiracy theory ramblings... team CC is now out to get individuals... wow...-el Jesus negro

[BigBallinStalin]

*paranoid ramblings*

this is the most interesting post of the year... this is far beyond the usual conspiracy theory ramblings... team CC is now out to get individuals... wow...-el Jesus negro

They are. I've criticized every owner, admin, and perhaps all the mods on this site, and my dice stats are atrociously normal.

[lilice]

Another perfect example if I would have had average dice in this game I would have won..instead I have yet again below dice and 28 troops to kill 20 and I fail...just needed average dice and couldnt get it.


lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Overall battle outcomes
lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 27 23 +18% 27 5 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 175 223 -2% 24 50 +14% 3 1 +58% 1 0 +26% 1 0 -58% 0 1
Total -2% 202 246 +4% 51 55 +14% 3 1 0% 1 1 +26% 1 0 -50% 0 2

[owenshooter]

*paranoid ramblings*

this is the most interesting post of the year... this is far beyond the usual conspiracy theory ramblings... team CC is now out to get individuals... wow...-el Jesus negro

They are. I've criticized every owner, admin, and perhaps all the mods on this site, and my dice stats are atrociously normal.

RIGHT?!!! you would think a guy that has served well over a years hard time on forum bans (wrongly persecuted, might i add), slagged every owner and admin outside of Lack and Twill (and a pocketful of useful/smart mods), would have the worst dice on the site!!! i have never noticed any fluctuation in my overall dice. do i get bad and good at times? sure... and when i get bad dice, guess what, i STOP ROLLING THE BONES!!!!! this is beyond paranoid... it is paranoia on a scale i have never witnessed!!! the black jesus is amused and truly intrigued...-el Jesus negro

[BigBallinStalin]

*paranoid ramblings*

this is the most interesting post of the year... this is far beyond the usual conspiracy theory ramblings... team CC is now out to get individuals... wow...-el Jesus negro

They are. I've criticized every owner, admin, and perhaps all the mods on this site, and my dice stats are atrociously normal.

RIGHT?!!! you would think a guy that has served well over a years hard time on forum bans (wrongly persecuted, might i add), slagged every owner and admin outside of Lack and Twill (and a pocketful of useful/smart mods), would have the worst dice on the site!!! i have never noticed any fluctuation in my overall dice. do i get bad and good at times? sure... and when i get bad dice, guess what, i STOP ROLLING THE BONES!!!!! this is beyond paranoid... it is paranoia on a scale i have never witnessed!!! the black jesus is amused and truly intrigued...-el Jesus negro

Sure, but it could be the case that the CC Elite willfully refuses to change our dice so that suspicions of conspiracy can be readily refuted. Games within games, el Jesus negro. Welcome to the CC Matrix.

[JPlo64]

I do think the dice do even out in the long run. But sometimes it seems like there is too much variance in the results. Whether that's natural or some flaw, I think many people would agree that a system of attacking with slightly less variance would be better.

[owenshooter]

Sure, but it could be the case that the CC Elite willfully refuses to change our dice so that suspicions of conspiracy can be readily refuted. Games within games, el Jesus negro. Welcome to the CC Matrix.

F*ck it, i'm out of here!!!-eJn

[Donelladan]

Another perfect example if I would have had average dice in this game I would have won..instead I have yet again below dice and 28 troops to kill 20 and I fail...just needed average dice and couldnt get it.


lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Overall battle outcomes
lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 27 23 +18% 27 5 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 175 223 -2% 24 50 +14% 3 1 +58% 1 0 +26% 1 0 -58% 0 1
Total -2% 202 246 +4% 51 55 +14% 3 1 0% 1 1 +26% 1 0 -50% 0 2

What about the games that you won because you had good dice - way over average ? Don't you speak about them? Never happen ?

[Evil Semp]

Another perfect example if I would have had average dice in this game I would have won..instead I have yet again below dice and 28 troops to kill 20 and I fail...just needed average dice and couldnt get it.


lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Overall battle outcomes
lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 27 23 +18% 27 5 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 175 223 -2% 24 50 +14% 3 1 +58% 1 0 +26% 1 0 -58% 0 1
Total -2% 202 246 +4% 51 55 +14% 3 1 0% 1 1 +26% 1 0 -50% 0 2

What about the games that you won because you had good dice - way over average ? Don't you speak about them? Never happen ?

Donelladan don't you understand. Let me get my crayons and I will draw you a picture.

When he wins its not the dice it is his strategy. When he loses its not his strategy it is the dice.

That's the best drawing I can do with a clear crayon.

[IcePack]

Another perfect example if I would have had average dice in this game I would have won..instead I have yet again below dice and 28 troops to kill 20 and I fail...just needed average dice and couldnt get it.


lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Overall battle outcomes
lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 27 23 +18% 27 5 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 175 223 -2% 24 50 +14% 3 1 +58% 1 0 +26% 1 0 -58% 0 1
Total -2% 202 246 +4% 51 55 +14% 3 1 0% 1 1 +26% 1 0 -50% 0 2

Sorry I forgot to turn off your dice penalty

[friendly1]

Another perfect example if I would have had average dice in this game I would have won..instead I have yet again below dice and 28 troops to kill 20 and I fail...just needed average dice and couldnt get it.


lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total -8% 11 13 +17% 5 1 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Overall battle outcomes
lilice 4.9 vs theheadholes 4.8
3 vs 2 3 vs 1 2 vs 2 2 vs 1 1 vs 2 1 vs 1
Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses Luck Kills Losses
Assault 0% 27 23 +18% 27 5 0 0 -58% 0 1 0 0 -42% 0 1
Defend -2% 175 223 -2% 24 50 +14% 3 1 +58% 1 0 +26% 1 0 -58% 0 1
Total -2% 202 246 +4% 51 55 +14% 3 1 0% 1 1 +26% 1 0 -50% 0 2

Sorry I forgot to turn off your dice penalty

LOL @ Ice.

I think the dice are not skewed in any way (albeit I get bloody frustrated on bad dice runs), but it can easily be mistaken as the dice statistics are absolutely incorrect. I had the pleasure of a few games in a match vs big wham and tracked completely attacks and troop win/loss through the games. While the dice were actually rather brutal to both of us on the attacking end, when I pulled the stats for myself vs big wham they were incorrect (on battle win/loss, can't say for the numbers) so I checked big wham for recent stats against myself and his stats were also incorrect. Further, my stats against an opponent and an opponents stats against me should be opposites. If I win an attack it should aggregate for me and against the opponent. For example if I win both attacks on a 3 vs 2 I should show +2 for 3 vs 2 attacks and my opponent should show -2 for 3 vs 2 defend. So there should be offsets that mirror each other and I found this also not to track correctly.

So after the long winded explanation, I think the dice roll accurately, but the stats regarding the dice rolls to be either calculating improperly or missing some rolls in calculation which leads to individuals believing the dice are unfair/rigged or whatever.