One of many problems with Evolution

[universalchiro]

DoomY, have you ever said what a lovely sunset? Did you mean the sun stood still, why don't you say what a lovely earth rotation?
Your language reveals the condition of your heart, a saved person doesn't talk as you do.

[universalchiro]

Denominayor, skull formations is not the defining feature to determine kind, there is also skin, hair, DNA, mind, hormones, reproduction, communication, locomotion, joint formation, habitat, image, characteristics(personality), social, diet, etc. So to show only 1 of 100s of features is insufficient.
But I'll still address your skulls with this, since man once lived 900+ years, I would expect secondary sex characteristics(edited Thanks for catching that denominator:)) to be pronounced versus mankind that lived 90 years though they both are 100% human. Remember similarities of creatures just as easily represents same creator as same ancestor.
PS I appreciate the evidence you brought, good work.

[Steiner75]

oh dear.... hasn't this whole discussion already been settled in court?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller ... l_District

To quote the judge: "The breathtaking inanity of the Board's decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources"

i.m.n.s.h.o people on this site also deserve better than to be dragged into such a discussion .

[universalchiro]

and of course no judges decision has ever been overturned
Its cyclical, the judges of tomorrow will have more information and will over turn the wrongful decisions of the past. Let the judge interpret the law and stay out of matters of truth beyond the law.

[denominator]

Beyond that, there are broader groups of organisms in the genus, family, class, order, phylum, and kingdom categories. The lines between the categories is fairly well determined in extant species. It gets much blurrier in extinct species.

Not really... only in megafauna are there any clear lines. From salamanders to birds to insects to plants there are so many taxonomic blurred lines. Even amongst the megafauna, taxonomies are constantly being revised. How many times have pandas switched from being bears to other crap? Raccoons have been considered bears and weasels by various taxonomists over the years. The arbitrary 7-layer taxonomic naming scheme is absolute bullshit also. Over the years, scientists have twisted their own heads in their asses by introducing subspecies, superfamilies and so ad infinitum.

Good point. I was focusing on the noticeable animals, and in particular, the apes and the like because they fed better into my point. I also agree that beyond the genus and species and sub-species level, the system is not very effective.

Denominayor, skull formations is not the defining feature to determine kind, there is also skin, hair, DNA, mind, hormones, reproduction, communication, locomotion, joint formation, habitat, image, characteristics(personality), social, diet, etc. So to show only 1 of 100s of features is insufficient.

You didn't bother to answer any of my questions. You only answered with what "kinds" aren't - represented by their skulls.

But I'll still address your skulls with this, since man once lived 900+ years, I would expect secondary growth sites to be pronounced versus mankind that lived 90 years though they both are 100% human. Remember similarities of creatures just as easily represents same creator as same ancestor.

I am not sure you have any idea what you are talking about. Secondary growth refers to plants differentiation. I assume you must be referring to Secondary sex characteristics which has absolutely nothing to do with the above skulls.

[universalchiro]

Denominator, Thanks for the correction, I edited. The point is still the same.

[natty dread]

A serious big f*ck you to the starter of this thread.

How dare you proclaim to be a god fearing christian and yet disrespect "god's work"? This is exactly what's wrong with organized religion these days. I could have accepted it in the middle ages because hey, people didn't fucking know any better, but we're in the 2000s now, we have hundreds of years worth of scientific knowledge and when you shit all over it like this, you're not helping to build a better universe!

Me, I'm a fucking workman. I work hard, so I play hard... and when I say work I seriously mean building a better life, universe and everything. Because shit, man, if not me then who else? And that fucking well applies to you too, and it applies to all the scientists who try to figure out how things work, what are those basic unbreakable ground rules of this little sand box of reality that we inhabit. And if you'd rather stay a fucking baby all your life, if you'd rather bleat on like a sheep, if you don't have the guts to accept reality as it is and try to make it better, then at least do us all a favour and STAY OUT OF THE WAY when real workmen are working to build a better life for YOUR children.

Your bibles are worth toilet paper. Your churches are simply scam operations and/or country clubs for maintaining a "way of life", a way to impose arbitrary moral rules on people... you think you have it all figured out, do you? Well, you're wrong.

[warmonger1981]

Every man has his own world. He dwells in the midst of his little universe as the lord and ruler of his constituent parts of himself. Sometimes he is a wise king, devoting his life to the needs of his subjects, but more often he is a tyrant, imposing many forms of injustice upon his vassals, either through ignorance of their needs or thoughtlessness concerning the ultimate disaster that he is bringing upon himself. Man's body is a living temple and he is a high priest, placed there to keep the House of the Lord in order. The temples of the ancients were patterned after the human form.

[notyou2]

Every man has his own world. He dwells in the midst of his little universe as the lord and ruler of his constituent parts of himself. Sometimes he is a wise king, devoting his life to the needs of his subjects, but more often he is a tyrant, imposing many forms of injustice upon his vassals, either through ignorance of their needs or thoughtlessness concerning the ultimate disaster that he is bringing upon himself. Man's body is a living temple and he is a high priest, placed there to keep the House of the Lord in order. The temples of the ancients were patterned after the human form.

Have those temples evolved?

[universalchiro]

There is a requirement of trillions of genetic random unguided mutations (evolutionary process) that has allegedly increased the information in the genome in evolution. Yet this is not observable. Not even the top evolutionist has observable evidence and nor do you. So stop pretending your faith in evolution is fact, stop deluding yourself.

Natty dread, I feel your pain and rage. Wow you came with lots of anger. Take a deep breath, be calm and tell me why you believe the Bible is worthy only to wipe your butt. Don't tell me about bad "Christians" or messed up churches that just want peoples money in a Ponzi scheme where the pastor flies in private jet stream to speak. For humans are flawed. So let's focus on the Bible, tell me.

Warmonger, agreed.
Notyou2, sorry dude, you have been foed for a year+.

[Metsfanmax]

Natty dread, I feel your pain and rage. Wow you came with lots of anger. Take a deep breath, be calm and tell me why you believe the Bible is worthy only to wipe your butt. Don't tell me about bad "Christians" or messed up churches that just want peoples money in a Ponzi scheme where the pastor flies in private jet stream to speak. For humans are flawed. So let's focus on the Bible, tell me.

So all these people have incorrect interpretations of the Bible, but yours is more accurate?

[natty dread]

Natty dread, I feel your pain and rage. Wow you came with lots of anger. Take a deep breath, be calm and tell me why you believe the Bible is worthy only to wipe your butt.

I wouldn't wipe my butt in your bible unless it comes triple quilted. I have standards.

And you. You should grow up and wake up. Conquer your fears. Deal with reality. Don't put your faith in bibles or preachers or messiahs. You need a god to show you the way? Be your own god! You need a preacher? Be your own preacher! Need a bible? Write your own bible!

Get up, smell the flowers, watch how unbelievably amazing construct this universe is. How does it work? What are the rules? Can we bend them? Fo shizzle we can. We're already looking at FTL space travel for crying out loud! No thanks to luddites who drag on like an anchor, fighting tooth and nail against progress because it doesn't fit their dogma or agenda.

You're asleep, comrade. Sleeping like a baby. Now here's the question - will you wake up before you die? Which comes first?

[universalchiro]

Okay Natty, you sound like an angry 14 year old that doesnt have an adult to monitor your bravado over the Internet. You're on quick and permanent sleep mode. This is our first and last communication.

[warmonger1981]

Ancient temples don't need to evolve. They are eternal. Look at the pyramid, sanctuary at Karnak or St.Peters Church at Rome.

[natty dread]

Okay Natty, you sound like an angry 14 year old that doesnt have an adult to monitor your bravado over the Internet. You're on quick and permanent sleep mode. This is our first and last communication.

Hmm, no dude. I'm just keeping it real. No bravado - I'm just telling you things someone should tell you... You're the one who's gathering your toys and going home when the going gets too tough for you to handle.

I'm sure you'll foe me or something equally cowardly, that's fine, shove your head in the sand... because the truth is, you're a scared little boy. You're scared of death, so you cling to the hope that daddy longbeard will swoop down and rescue you to eternal bliss or whatever. And hey, I get it. I've been there... only I grew up, confronted my fears, then died a little and that was the end of it. And the beginning.

So yeah, go ahead and foe me... doesn't matter. Maybe someone will quote me so you can't escape these words... and if not, it doesn't matter either. Because the universe works with or without you.

[GoranZ]

Ancient temples don't need to evolve. They are eternal. Look at the pyramid, sanctuary at Karnak

0 living worshipers

St.Peters Church at Rome.

there are living worshipers(for now)

So which was true god, the first one or the second one and why?


Question for the believers of gods... This is act of God or act of Evolution?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/19/world ... index.html

[DoomYoshi]

DoomY, have you ever said what a lovely sunset? Did you mean the sun stood still, why don't you say what a lovely earth rotation?

Yes, I have said what a lovely sunset. But I don't mean it literally. How can you not take that one quote literally but arbitrarily decide to take all the other quotes literally?

[betiko]

Okay Natty, you sound like an angry 14 year old that doesnt have an adult to monitor your bravado over the Internet. You're on quick and permanent sleep mode. This is our first and last communication.

Hmm, no dude. I'm just keeping it real. No bravado - I'm just telling you things someone should tell you... You're the one who's gathering your toys and going home when the going gets too tough for you to handle.

I'm sure you'll foe me or something equally cowardly, that's fine, shove your head in the sand... because the truth is, you're a scared little boy. You're scared of death, so you cling to the hope that daddy longbeard will swoop down and rescue you to eternal bliss or whatever. And hey, I get it. I've been there... only I grew up, confronted my fears, then died a little and that was the end of it. And the beginning.

So yeah, go ahead and foe me... doesn't matter. Maybe someone will quote me so you can't escape these words... and if not, it doesn't matter either. Because the universe works with or without you.

Hey i will not quote that ok?

[notyou2]

Notyou2, sorry dude, you have been foed for a year+.

How many times are you going to tell me this? I highly doubt it's been a year, I had no idea how gullible you were a year ago.

[AndyDufresne]

DoomY, have you ever said what a lovely sunset? Did you mean the sun stood still, why don't you say what a lovely earth rotation?

Yes, I have said what a lovely sunset. But I don't mean it literally. How can you not take that one quote literally but arbitrarily decide to take all the other quotes literally?

Yeah DoomYoshi, WHY DON'T YOU SAY "What a lovely earth rotation?" you filthy scalawag.

Typical.


--Andy

[jonesthecurl]

DoomY, have you ever said what a lovely sunset? Did you mean the sun stood still, why don't you say what a lovely earth rotation?
Your language reveals the condition of your heart, a saved person doesn't talk as you do.

the fool on the hill sees the sun going down
but the eyes in his head see the world spinning 'round.

[denominator]

Denominator, Thanks for the correction, I edited. The point is still the same.

Secondary sex characteristics, which has absolutely nothing to do with the above skulls.

[WILLIAMS5232]

I just read this entire thread. ha!

this sounds like a circle jerk.

there is too much magic in the bible for me to put much faith in it. i'm sure that today being a christian is fine and all, but i'd say a couple hundred/thousand years ago, it wasn't all it is cracked up to be. especially for early scientists who discovered things like moons around jupiter, and made theories such as how birds fly.

on the same note, i can't say that we can be certain that stars are made up of what they are in our distant galaxy just by looking at the color and such. or whatever else you can check.

but science has taken us farther towards sensible reason and information in the past 50 years than the full life of the bible will ever take us. as far as making sense of the universe i'd say, at least for me. like i said, until i see some actual bible magic in real life, i'm going to say it was just a good storybook, with good parables and guidelines to live a life that would benefit a community of like minded folks.

[universalchiro]

There are requirements of trillions of genetic random unguided mutations (evolutionary process) that has allegedly increased the information in the genome in evolution. Yet this is not observable. Not even the top evolutionist has observable evidence and nor do you. So stop pretending your faith in evolution is fact, stop deluding yourself.

Today I saw a mutation that was actually an improvement to the genetic code that gave more information than was there before. Oh wait, never mind. It was just an evolutionist trolling as usual.

[betiko]

There are requirements of trillions of genetic random unguided mutations (evolutionary process) that has allegedly increased the information in the genome in evolution. Yet this is not observable. Not even the top evolutionist has observable evidence and nor do you. So stop pretending your faith in evolution is fact, stop deluding yourself.

Today I saw a mutation that was actually an improvement to the genetic code that gave more information than was there before. Oh wait, never mind. It was just an evolutionist trolling as usual.

Do you mean that evolutionists are more evolved genetically speaking?