CL6 Results for F400

[Keefie]

AQOH 4 FALL 12 16/6/2014
OSA 11 FISO 5 12/6/2014
HH 6 PHNX 10 15/6/2014
AOK 5 KNT 11 3/6/2014
BPB 5 VVV 11 11/6/2014
MB 3 G1 13 10/6/2014

[IcePack]

Reserved

AQOH 4 FALL 12 16/6/2014
OSA 11 FISO 5 12/6/2014
HH 6 PHNX 10 15/6/2014
AOK 5 KNT 11 3/6/2014
BPB 5 VVV 11 11/6/2014
MB 3 G1 13 10/6/2014

IA 10 LHDD 6 6/26/14
KORT 8 LEG 8 6/30/14
PHX 10 FISO 6 6/29/14
LEG 10 HH 6 7/01/14
FAD 9 GR 7 6/30/14
FOED 8 VDLL 8 6/19/14
GR 11 VDLL 5 6/15/14
ACE 9 RET 7 7/03/14
MYTH 10 KNT 6 7/01/14
ACE 15 KNT 1 7/01/14
MM 12 SOH 4 6/05/14
TSM 8 AFOS 8 6/29/14
TSM 10 SOH 6 6/19/14
TOFU 12 RGX 4 7/01/14
TNC 8 GON 8 6/23/14
ATL 11 LOTZ 5 6/15/14
TOFU 11 TNC 5 6/27/14
RGX 12 LOTZ 4 6/15/14

[IcePack]

Reserved

AQOH 4 FALL 12 16/6/2014
OSA 11 FISO 5 12/6/2014
HH 6 PHNX 10 15/6/2014
AOK 5 KNT 11 3/6/2014
BPB 5 VVV 11 11/6/2014
MB 3 G1 13 10/6/2014

IA 10 LHDD 6 6/26/14
KORT 8 LEG 8 6/30/14
PHX 10 FISO 6 6/29/14
LEG 10 HH 6 7/01/14
FAD 9 GR 7 6/30/14
FOED 8 VDLL 8 6/19/14
GR 11 VDLL 5 6/15/14
ACE 9 RET 7 7/03/14
MYTH 10 KNT 6 7/01/14
ACE 15 KNT 1 7/01/14
MM 12 SOH 4 6/05/14
TSM 8 AFOS 8 6/29/14
TSM 10 SOH 6 6/19/14
TOFU 12 RGX 4 7/01/14
TNC 8 GON 8 6/23/14
ATL 11 LOTZ 5 6/15/14
TOFU 11 TNC 5 6/27/14
RGX 12 LOTZ 4 6/15/14

FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14

[IcePack]

KNT AOK 11 5 06/03/14
MM SOH 12 4 06/05/14
G1 MB 13 3 06/10/14
OSA FISO 11 5 06/12/14
PHNX HH 10 6 06/15/14
GR VDLL 11 5 06/15/14
RGX LOTZ 12 4 06/15/14
ATL LOTZ 11 5 06/15/14
FALL AQOH 12 4 06/16/14
FOED VDLL 8 8 06/19/14
TSM SOH 10 6 06/19/14
TNC GON 8 8 06/23/14
IA LHDD 10 6 06/26/14
TOFU TNC 11 5 06/27/14
PHX FISO 10 6 06/29/14
TSM AFOS 8 8 06/29/14
KORT LEG 8 8 06/30/14
FAD GR 9 7 06/30/14
LEG HH 10 6 07/01/14
MYTH KNT 10 6 07/01/14
ACE KNT 15 1 07/01/14
TOFU RGX 12 4 07/01/14
ACE RET 9 7 07/03/14
FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
ATL GON 8 8 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
TNC ATL 9 7 07/06/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
LHDD AQOH 12 4 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
MM AFOS 9 7 07/14/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14
ID KNT 9 6 07/17/14
G1 AFOS 10 6 07/18/14
VVV AQOH 9 7 07/19/14
TSM G1 11 5 07/21/14
TOFU LOTZ 15 1 07/21/14
FOED LOW 12 4 07/23/14
RET MYTH 11 4 07/25/14
G1 SOH 9 7 07/26/14
TSM MM 10 6 07/26/14
GON LOTZ 15 1 07/26/14
FALL IA 8 8 07/27/14
FOED RA 13 3 07/27/14
GON RGX 8 8 07/27/14
MYTH AOK 12 4 07/30/14
RGX ATL 10 6 07/31/14
KORT OSA 10 6 08/02/14

[IcePack]

KNT AOK 11 5 06/03/14
MM SOH 12 4 06/05/14
G1 MB 13 3 06/10/14
OSA FISO 11 5 06/12/14
PHNX HH 10 6 06/15/14
GR VDLL 11 5 06/15/14
RGX LOTZ 12 4 06/15/14
ATL LOTZ 11 5 06/15/14
FALL AQOH 12 4 06/16/14
FOED VDLL 8 8 06/19/14
TSM SOH 10 6 06/19/14
TNC GON 8 8 06/23/14
IA LHDD 10 6 06/26/14
TOFU TNC 11 5 06/27/14
PHX FISO 10 6 06/29/14
TSM AFOS 8 8 06/29/14
KORT LEG 8 8 06/30/14
FAD GR 9 7 06/30/14
LEG HH 10 6 07/01/14
MYTH KNT 10 6 07/01/14
ACE KNT 15 1 07/01/14
TOFU RGX 12 4 07/01/14
ACE RET 9 7 07/03/14
FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
ATL GON 8 8 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
TNC ATL 9 7 07/06/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
LHDD AQOH 12 4 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
MM AFOS 9 7 07/14/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14
ID KNT 9 6 07/17/14
G1 AFOS 10 6 07/18/14
VVV AQOH 9 7 07/19/14
TSM G1 11 5 07/21/14
TOFU LOTZ 15 1 07/21/14
FOED LOW 12 4 07/23/14
RET MYTH 11 4 07/25/14
G1 SOH 9 7 07/26/14
TSM MM 10 6 07/26/14
GON LOTZ 15 1 07/26/14
FALL IA 8 8 07/27/14
FOED RA 13 3 07/27/14
GON RGX 8 8 07/27/14
MYTH AOK 12 4 07/30/14
RGX ATL 10 6 07/31/14
KORT OSA 10 6 08/02/14

ACE MYTH 14 2 08/02/14
LEG PHX 9 7 08/03/14
RET AOK 12 4 08/03/14
TNC RGX 10 6 08/03/14
TOFU ATL 11 5 08/04/14
RA GR 12 4 08/05/14
IA VVV 12 4 08/06/14
RET KNT 12 4 08/07/14
LEG OSA 9 7 08/09/14
LOW VDLL 11 5 08/09/14
OSA HH 12 4 08/11/14
ACE ID 11 5 08/13/14
AFOS SOH 12 4 08/13/14
FOED GR 9 7 08/14/14
TNC LOTZ 14 2 08/14/14

[IcePack]

KNT AOK 11 5 06/03/14
MM SOH 12 4 06/05/14
G1 MB 13 3 06/10/14
OSA FISO 11 5 06/12/14
PHNX HH 10 6 06/15/14
GR VDLL 11 5 06/15/14
RGX LOTZ 12 4 06/15/14
ATL LOTZ 11 5 06/15/14
FALL AQOH 12 4 06/16/14
FOED VDLL 8 8 06/19/14
TSM SOH 10 6 06/19/14
TNC GON 8 8 06/23/14
IA LHDD 10 6 06/26/14
TOFU TNC 11 5 06/27/14
PHX FISO 10 6 06/29/14
TSM AFOS 8 8 06/29/14
KORT LEG 8 8 06/30/14
FAD GR 9 7 06/30/14
LEG HH 10 6 07/01/14
MYTH KNT 10 6 07/01/14
ACE KNT 15 1 07/01/14
TOFU RGX 12 4 07/01/14
ACE RET 9 7 07/03/14
FALL VVV 14 2 07/05/14
ATL GON 8 8 07/05/14
FOED FAD 14 2 07/05/14
TNC ATL 9 7 07/06/14
IA AQOH 13 3 07/08/14
OSA PHX 10 6 07/08/14
LOW GR 11 5 07/08/14
ACE AOK 14 2 07/08/14
ID AOK 14 2 07/08/14
LHDD VVV 11 5 07/09/14
LEG FISO 9 7 07/09/14
LHDD AQOH 12 4 07/09/14
RA VDLL 11 5 07/10/14
ID MYTH 12 4 07/12/14
MM AFOS 9 7 07/14/14
KORT HH 12 4 07/15/14
LOW FAD 14 2 07/16/14
ID KNT 9 6 07/17/14
G1 AFOS 10 6 07/18/14
VVV AQOH 9 7 07/19/14
TSM G1 11 5 07/21/14
TOFU LOTZ 15 1 07/21/14
FOED LOW 12 4 07/23/14
RET MYTH 11 4 07/25/14
G1 SOH 9 7 07/26/14
TSM MM 10 6 07/26/14
GON LOTZ 15 1 07/26/14
FALL IA 8 8 07/27/14
FOED RA 13 3 07/27/14
GON RGX 8 8 07/27/14
MYTH AOK 12 4 07/30/14
RGX ATL 10 6 07/31/14
KORT OSA 10 6 08/02/14
ACE MYTH 14 2 08/02/14
LEG PHX 9 7 08/03/14
RET AOK 12 4 08/03/14
TNC RGX 10 6 08/03/14
TOFU ATL 11 5 08/04/14
RA GR 12 4 08/05/14
IA VVV 12 4 08/06/14
RET KNT 12 4 08/07/14
LEG OSA 9 7 08/09/14
LOW VDLL 11 5 08/09/14
OSA HH 12 4 08/11/14
ACE ID 11 5 08/13/14
AFOS SOH 12 4 08/13/14
FOED GR 9 7 08/14/14
TNC LOTZ 14 2 08/14/14

KORT FISO 9 7 08/16/14
G1 MM 8 8 08/21/14
FALL LHDD 10 6 08/22/14
RA LOW 9 7 08/31/14
KORT PHNX 12 4 09/01/14
HH FISO 8 8 09/03/14
RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14
TOFU GON 13 3 09/12/14

[Keefie]

HH 11 KNT 5 2014-10-29

[Keefie]

SOH 7 GR 4 2014-11-09 (Incomplete due to withdrawl of GR)
ATL 9 FISO 7 2014-11-24
KNT 10 FAD 6 2014-11-24
VVV 10 AFOS 6 2014-11-08
LHDD 8 ID 8 2014-11-24
GON 11 PHNX 5 2014-11-22
RGX 11 MYTH 5 2014-11-16
LOW 9 VVV 7 2014-11-23
PHNX 10 AFOS 6 2014-11-17
TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

[Robespierre__]

IcePack,

This never happened. We have no idea where this result came from.

RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

[Keefie]

IcePack,

This never happened. We have no idea where this result came from.

RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

Correct.

This should be: RA 14 FAD 2 09/12/14

[PaRKoN]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

[Keefie]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

[IcePack]

... ...

[angola]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

They forfeited the overall result, so not sure why the games should count as they are not apart of the Clan League. They were just high level practice games.

[IcePack]

IcePack,

This never happened. We have no idea where this result came from.

RA FOED 14 2 09/12/14

Correct.

This should be: RA 14 FAD 2 09/12/14

Thanks! It'll get fixed

[Keefie]

FOED 11 IA 5 30-11-14

[IcePack]

HERE

[hyposquasher]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

This is kind of ridiculous if this got counted for the F400 release in this way. Like... A team can't forfeit and win. That's borderline absurdity.

The main CL thread says that we had a bye on the schedule. The games that did complete against TSM were just games. They weren't part of a challenge/war/tournament.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=207949

[JPlo64]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

This is kind of ridiculous if this got counted for the F400 release in this way. Like... A team can't forfeit and win. That's borderline absurdity.

The main CL thread says that we had a bye on the schedule. The games that did complete against TSM were just games. They weren't part of a challenge/war/tournament.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=207949

Well they didn't win the set as far as CL is concerned. I don't think the rankings and the structure of CL have anything to do with each other.
I think as far as the rankings are concerned, If the games were played and completed in a clan competition, they should count.

[jj3044]

TSM 8 ACE 6 2014-11-25 (incomplete due to withdrawl of TSM)

Actually both sets were forfeited and ACE got a bye.

Only 2 games were forfeited, 14 games were played.

I know a precedent has already been set in previous Clan Leagues, so Ice should be able to decide what to do.

This is kind of ridiculous if this got counted for the F400 release in this way. Like... A team can't forfeit and win. That's borderline absurdity.

The main CL thread says that we had a bye on the schedule. The games that did complete against TSM were just games. They weren't part of a challenge/war/tournament.
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=207949

Well they didn't win the set as far as CL is concerned. I don't think the rankings and the structure of CL have anything to do with each other.
I think as far as the rankings are concerned, If the games were played and completed in a clan competition, they should count.

That is the point... TSM isn't in the competition, therefore these weren't competition games.

[betiko]

did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

[jj3044]

did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

Even if we were to accept that fact, the full set wasn't played. For example if we won the 2 games they forfeited, it would have been a draw for F400 purposes. The "set" should only count if the full set was played, imo.

That is all assuming the games are part of a clan challenge of course. We still maintain that they aren't, since TSM isn't part of the CL.

[betiko]

did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

Even if we were to accept that fact, the full set wasn't played. For example if we won the 2 games they forfeited, it would have been a draw for F400 purposes. The "set" should only count if the full set was played, imo.

That is all assuming the games are part of a clan challenge of course. We still maintain that they aren't, since TSM isn't part of the CL.

How come 2 games were dropped?
Well in that case what would seem fair is an 8-8 for the ranking, and treat the forfeited games as losses for TSM. Not all faceoffs between clan are part of challenges, so i don t really get your argument there. Those games were still labelled as clan games wether they were part of the cl6 or not, they consisted of 16 games, 14 of which were played and 2 forfeited. -> 8-8
But i guess what would be best is to ask tsm what they think of all this.

[jj3044]

did TSM forfeit before the games started or while the games were being played?
I think it changes a lot. the games were most likely joined as clan TSM vs clan ACE in the first place, not teams with only tsm members vs only ace members as it could happen in a tournament. the fact that they forfeit from the CL6 should have no impact on your CL6 results, but, I would tend to agree with jplo; those games have been played as clan games....
and the result should be treated in my opinion as a casual skirmish between ACE and TSM. TSM forfeit from the CL6, but not from the games in play.

Even if we were to accept that fact, the full set wasn't played. For example if we won the 2 games they forfeited, it would have been a draw for F400 purposes. The "set" should only count if the full set was played, imo.

That is all assuming the games are part of a clan challenge of course. We still maintain that they aren't, since TSM isn't part of the CL.

How come 2 games were dropped?
Well in that case what would seem fair is an 8-8 for the ranking, and treat the forfeited games as losses for TSM. Not all faceoffs between clan are part of challenges, so i don t really get your argument there. Those games were still labelled as clan games wether they were part of the cl6 or not, they consisted of 16 games, 14 of which were played and 2 forfeited. -> 8-8
But i guess what would be best is to ask tsm what they think of all this.

This may help... from the original F400 thread from FD himself:

I treat each set of 18 games (19 games in finals) from CL3 as a single game between two clans where each clan either wins, loses or ties.
The points a clan gets for each set is a function of their opponents rating at that time.
The rating of a clan is the weighted average of all such accumulated points.
(weighting is by games in the set, so reg season sets are weighted at 18, finals weighted at 19)

I believe the intention was to make sure there is a sufficient number of games between clans before they are counted. I remember there was a lot of debate on what the minimum threshold would be (I couldn't find a link with a brief search), but if two clans played a best of 14 set outside of clan competitions for example, would that count?

[IcePack]

This thread is for posting / tracking CL6 Results, so if at all possible lets limit the discussion in this thread please.

That being said, to cover a few of the items brought up here:

As mentioned, precedents have previously been set for situations like this.
TSM dropped out of the event, however any / all results that started before the clan dropped out will still be counted as long as they meet the minimum number of games.
Minimum number of games is 12 to be counted.
As someone mentioned, F400 is a performance measure and is run independently of the events. Meaning, just because the event does one thing doesn't mean its tied exactly the same on the F400. Its main goal is to measure performance by clans, CL6 main goal is to be a league event.

The two games aren't counted, as its a measure of performance only those games that are played are counted.
If a clan messes up and all 16 games are forfeited because they couldn't fill games, the other clan doesn't get a 16-0 result on F400.
You'll get 8-0 and 8-0 in the CL6, along with the points for the win. However for F400 purposes, no games were played.
No in game performance to be measured.

Hope that helps clear things up. Please keep this clear of discussion so I can continue to track the results without searching through a bunch of unrelated posts.
Thanks,
IcePack