Is lack doing the right thing?

[HighBorn]

scorba i just posted same kinda thing in moderator please help in bug reports

[Pedronicus]

I don't mind any of the changes.

What doesn't make sense, is changing the description of 1 Fortification to Adjacent.

1 Fortification, did exactly what it said.
Adjacent sounds too vague.

[Scorba]

That would be because Chained is also one fortification.

[Joe McCarthy]

A few games in progress got messed up, big deal. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omlete. Most folks that play here dont even mess with the forum so word would not have gotten to them anyway. So I dont see what the big deal is as far as games in progress.

As far as not liking the losing team double-turn, oh well. I think the change is a good idea. As has been pointed out, it makes it a little harder for the two teams to move in a big coordinated way, and more the way allies do in a war. You try to help each other where you can, but both team members have to do their share. I kind of like that.

Anyways, anybody that wants to leave over these reasonable changes, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[alster]

In a game last night, what happened was that the update occurred, then when a new round kicked in, the new modifications kicked in. Unless someone tells me that they have played a few rounds of an old game without it being changed, I'll continue worrying about my already set up games.

[Sir Gordalot]

actually in the game with alstergren... it kicked in for a round or two... went back to the old rules... then the new rules kicked in... we were making turn order:random jokes in game chat...

[Patroclus]

RE: New Rules Implemented

With some thought we might understand that.....

Dishonorable people will again try to misuse the system. But, the new rules will be a challange for them.

Here at Conquer Club, it seems the whiners about these new changes are those that coveted thy deadbeat neighbor too much.

From my reading there, it seems that those that played with Honor to begin with have no problems with the new rules, and most support them.

In my case, the new rules come closer to where they would be at a home sponsored game where I have included dinner. No Honor, no invite back for games and dinner. Very simple on the home front.

It will be interesting to see how the game play changes. Some are whining about games they have started because the cheap tactics that they employed until today are no longer allowed. I have no problem with that.

Kudos to Lack for springing it without warning. It has absolutely no effect that I can see with players who played honestly, righteously, morally, and the way the original game was intended. Ummmm...., You see RuthLessNess is still allowed, but within the rules of the Geneva Convention.

It may hurt some of those that used less desirable tactics in games they have already set up. It also may be a problem for them in future games where fairness is legitimatized instead of debaucherey. But, they can thank the Gods that the new rules were not made retroactive where they would have lost all their precious points.

In regards to your poll, Marv. I did not vote as the options did not truely reflect my feelings. In my opinion it just might not be the right idea for the military to inform terrorists of a strike at them. The police have no reason to notify drug dealers, porn sellers, child molestors and rapists of an impending bust. Those feelings may shed a glimmer of light on my philosophy for those without benefit of a working lightbulb.

Special Thanks to Lack, and Twill and all others involved in the implementation of rules that reflect more fair that, in my opinion, can only help this site.

(Excuse my spelling.....flunked it in 3rd grade...., never recovered.)

[Joe McCarthy]

Anyways, the answer to the quesion is yes, lack is doing the right thing.

[Ronaldinho]

i hate the new rules felt cc was amazing without them, i would rather the old ways came back and just like the crappy abismal grievence thing just be forgotton and we all got back to the real nitty gritty of CC because i would rather have the old ways back and complain out about deadbeats then have a stupid rule to the game and complain about that

Ronaldinho.

[SMITH197]

here here patroclus!


In my opinion, marv, you were given your chance to voice what you thought before this all happened. This is a large and continually growing community, and as with most things you have to compromise about things. Not everything is going to go your way, and you may not agree with the changes but they are better for the commmunity and the new members.

Go if you want, i find it kind of ammusing that no one is jumping out and saying "Oh no marv! you cant leave! your much too important"


Quit your moaning


--Smitty

[wcaclimbing]

i like the changes

[Marvaddin]

Go if you want, i find it kind of ammusing that no one is jumping out and saying "Oh no marv! you cant leave! your much too important"

And you think I was thinking it would happen? Could you read the first post? Or my bad English is preventing you from do this? Maybe I should post in Portuguese for you. And Im as important as you, here. No one needs give your words or yourself more importance, or am I wrong? Have you a greater influence in the community? No? Oh, sorry, then.

But what is maybe interesting is that you, as me, think the things you like are better to the community, dont you? From where are you thinking this is the better to the community, if not from your head, huh?

Maybe I can be wrong, maybe its really the best, but not because of you. Maybe I will admit it, maybe not, and in this case, maybe I will become a eventual player, or will really quit. But one thing is sure: WE HAD NO TIP ABOUT THIS COMING, CAN YOU PLEASE LOOK AT THE TOPIC IN THE TO-DO LIST?

Quit YOUR moaning, please. I would appreciate if you feel yourself not invited to post here again.

It will be interesting to see how the game play changes. Some are whining about games they have started because the cheap tactics that they employed until today are no longer allowed. I have no problem with that.
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In regards to your poll, Marv. I did not vote as the options did not truely reflect my feelings. In my opinion it just might not be the right idea for the military to inform terrorists of a strike at them. The police have no reason to notify drug dealers, porn sellers, child molestors and rapists of an impending bust. Those feelings may shed a glimmer of light on my philosophy for those without benefit of a working lightbulb.

Dear monkey, I know you speaks the truth for many things, but I disagree about some things:
1) The use of double turns in teams was not a cheap tactic. Any team could start, because it was random, and any team could have use of double turns without problem. We cant find even 500 games (I bet) where the first double turn could really decide the game, because it really would need perfect dice, too. Would be the same if I complain about cards. Why had the other team 2 mixed sets in 3 turns, and me and my partner have no sets with 4 cards each? The cards can decide a game too, like the double turns, but more frequently. They are random, as who starts. Should we have a uniform distribution for cards, so one worse team wouldnt win only for the luck of draw better cards? Its the same, this only prevents you from winning because of the luck of a double turn start.

2) I dont feel myself like a terrorist or something alike. But now I got 2 games with a rule that I wasnt wanting to use, can you understand? I did nothing wrong, and I was surprised by a thing like that. Should the police invade the house of a right citizen, and obligate him to suffer a torture (like play a game that was not the one he joined, or have negatives and lost points if he chooses not play)? Im not defending players that deadbeat. But I did nothing and got a punishment, right? At least, is how I feel myself.

[lackattack]

Should lack announce them at least one week before? This way, he could have a massive feedback instead of base himself in the opinion of 2-3 that dont like a feature. For sure, the discussion before and later lack announce its coming would be a bit different, dont you agree? Who cares about a thing said by one guy that joined 1 week ago and have 2 posts? And who cares about what lack says?

It's hard for me to predict what will be included in each update and when it will be done, because I program whenever I find spare time and sometimes the programming takes me in directions I don't expect. But I agree that I should let people know beforehand what I plan to do on issues that could be controversial.

While I do read and consider everyone's opinion on a suggestion before I implement it, that's not good enough. I will make an effort to engage in the debate and express where I'm leaning so that those who disagree will be able to make additional arguement before it is too late. Of course, as we've seen with the Ignore List, it is never too late.

[rocksolid]

Guantanamo Torture Tactics Reach New Low

WASHINGTON, D.C. (REUTERS) -- At a press conference this morning, representatives of the U.S. State Department confirmed the reports of new and unusual torture tactics being employed at Guantanamo Bay Detention Facility.

"The measures are beyond any taken in the past, yes, but many forget what is at stake in the global conflict against terrorism," press secretary Dylan Halfnight was quoted as saying. "The stakes are high."

When asked whether the new tactics included fingernail removal, water torture, or the electrocution of genitalia, White House press agents clarified the situation by giving a new face to Horror.

"Inmates are being forced to join teams against each other in board games, play consecutively, and then, following 2 or 3 turns, alternate gameplay between teams during the round," explained an ashen-faced Halfnight before being pelted with fake blood and cries of "shame, shame" by political protestors on hand.

Mikhail Durand, speaking for a coalition of public interest litigants, has promised that the reaction to these atrocities will be quick and forceful, and that the White House will be dragged before the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. "These bastards have to be stopped."

Okay...just wanted to remind everyone to breathe. You may lose a couple of points on the scoreboard, or maybe even gain a few unexpectedly, but a good 40-50% of you will probably survive without defibrilators.

Debate is fine, but people have to chill out. Torture is a strong, strong word.

Mark my words, Marv, you'll still be kicking my ass in the quarterfinals next week.

[Marvaddin]

Torture is a strong, strong word.

I know it. I used it due to my lack of English vocabulary.

[Scarus]

Ya know Marv, I'm actually very amazed at your english proficiency. I took many years of French and German in college, yet I could not express myself in those languages anywhere neary as well as you do in English....

[lord vetinari]

I took many years of French and German in college, yet I could not express myself in those languages anywhere neary as well as you do in English....

Tatsächlich? Das ist aber schade.

[Marvaddin]

Ya know Marv, I'm actually very amazed at your english proficiency. I took many years of French and German in college, yet I could not express myself in those languages anywhere neary as well as you do in English....

Well, thanks But I need admit, my English is poor. Sometimes I didnt post entire ideas about something because I dont know the right way to express what I want... And sometimes I choose the worst word for some things, like expect and hope, that are the same in Portuguese, but in English Im usually seem unpolite if I use as the same. Maybe you can doubt I have difficulties about language, but its because its not my language, so I only say what I know to say. I do this in the simplest form I can, and with many many gramatical errors, I imagine.

As language is not the theme of this topic (or should I use thread?), I want use the chance to say that I was very angry, disappointed too, about last update, so its a public apology to those I possibly offended in this and many other discussions. This was never my goal. Never, you can believe me (unless in a few times I feeled myself offended).

But perhaps would be better to me quit. This is not to get people to defend me or my ideas about nothing. This is being my life for last months, and maybe its not being good to me. How could I give that importance to this site, at the point to even mind about these minor changes? Maybe Im wrong all the time, and I need change myself instead. Maybe I can have a real life back, without the risk of get reproved in the college.

[kwolff]

Just think there is strategy in the new rules too .....so start thinking , instead of bitching and you'll be OK......you just need to give it some time then after a week or so start posting your remarks......I do understand the warning part but everyone knew it was coming soon if you look at the forums .......But it just cracks me up to hear that strategy has went out the door with the new rules ..........now it makes it more interesting because we'll have to come up with different strategies ......and as far as dead beating for an advantage....basically you would be passing up three turns to give your partner probably less guys than you wouldve have gotten with your turns so I dont see that as a problem........

[alster]

Just think there is strategy in the new rules too .....so start thinking , instead of bitching and you'll be OK......you just need to give it some time then after a week or so start posting your remarks......now it makes it more interesting because we'll have to come up with different strategies ......

Sigh....

Risin' up, back on the street
Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive

All of you happy go lucky boys will get a verse to rehearse so you can perform it acapella later this summer...

[KidTwist]

Wow alster, now that's stepping up. Quoting Survivor lyrics like that.

[Scarus]

I know CC dont need me to exist, but I believe is something wrong here. I devoted my life to this site, and then I only got changes I dislike.

Well, I will admit that I was pretty concerned when I saw the above quoted text from your first post in this thread. I mean, after all, when most of us think of Brazil, we think of hot, willing, young babes. It wouldn't be a bad thing to live a little more outside of C Club for a while....lol

[Marvaddin]

Im sure about this

[fluffybunnykins]

Whatever you think about your own lack of English skill, Marv, think about how it compares to most CC members ability to speak Portuguese [French, German, Spanish, Russian, Cantonese, etc., etc.] as a second language. Some of us native speakers have trouble enough with English ;o)
I think Lack's made his appology & his stance on these rule changes clear... they could change again, with trial & feedback.
So don't go, try it out and then tell us what you think.
Besides, one day I might meet you in a game, and just think how many points I'd get if I ever won! ;o)

[Ronaldinho]

Go if you want, i find it kind of ammusing that no one is jumping out and saying "Oh no marv! you cant leave! your much too important"

shut up marv is just like anyone giving an opinion and he is willing to just get up and leave cc then he must be very concernd about the changes in game play ect.

marv by the way "oh no Marv! you cant leave! :0)"

lol

Ronaldinho.