Jonty125's Mad Mafia Game Over

[virus90]

Ok don't have much in the way of spare time to post at the moment but the long and the short of it is:

a) Don't lynch nark, it'd be stupid
b) I need nag to post and claim; his claim may stir things up depending on how people interpret it.
c) I have not cleared Nark (though I am fairly certain he is town), and I certainly have not cleared nag. As I have already said I have no way to know their alignment with any certainty.

We still have a bit of time so I won't claim on nags behalf, but I will if required.

First of all the way you use your italics makes me think you are suspicious of nagerous.
So then, how would you ever be able to claim on nags behalf? did you get his role message? and if you doubt his alignment (which i make up out of the italics), how do you know that your not spoon fed with false information. so you clearing nagerous if your not sure of him seems like giving nagerous a get out of jail free card, "yeah i claim what he told you about me". I don't think that's a good idea.

[kgb007]

So we have 6 of 8 claims, based on what we know currently, the most suspicious players for me are loot and nark

Got start somewhere so unvote vote nark

So, you go for the person with the most posts and explanations and allow the guy with much fewer posts and a much weaker defense to stay alive?

Nice scum buddy move.

I find this post hilarious, I'm certainly the biggest target to scum now and it's been widely accepted that I'm cleared. If I was scum why would I have brains to claim (in my option) the strongest role left for town. I'm voting you bc I don't believe your role, if I'm wrong then I'm wrong and we'll lose and live to play another game but you stopped short of an omgus vote against, I'm the only one voting at this post and may change my vote again to stir things up before the day is thru

I believe it was hotshot who said on D1 (I quoted it somewhere in this thread but playing on my phone the past 5 days while on vaca in the DR so I'm too lazy to dig it up, which is why I also had little sympathy for new guy) that it's much easier catch scum who posts a lot while it's much more difficult to catch scum who post little. The only case against hotshot is that he hasn't been active which isn't his fault obviously.

I'm not saying I don't believe some players claims more than others but in order of likelihood of in game, doc(me of course), cop - saf, bus driver - hotshot, vig - virus, deflector - neb, encryptor - loot and no claim from nark or nag just yet

After virus on that list I get a little shaky, I feel like one of virus and neb are scum, leaning towards neb, their roles don't necessarily over lap but something feels off

I'll get to loot in a second but then there's you nark, you haven't really been very helpful on D3, all of your posts either criticize or cast doubt on other players posts without adding much substance of your own. And you're inviting someone to investigate you during the night? Seems like a bit of a trap..

Ok don't have much in spare time to post at the moment but the long and the short of it is:

a) Dont lynch nark, it'd be stupid
b) I need nag to post and claim; his claim may stir things up depending on how people interpret it.
c) I have not cleared Nark (though I am fairly certain he is town), and I certainly have not cleared nag. As I have already said I have no way to know their alignment with any certainty.

We still have a bit of time so I won't claim on nags behalf, but I will if required.

You're kinda contradicting yourself here loot, you first say to not lynch nark bc it'd be stupid but don't give a reason then go on to acknowledge you haven't cleared nark, maybe you just like the way he whispers sweet nothings in your ear as you two exchange messages since you're fairly certain he's town

Let's see what nag says since nark claims to be a prisoner of game mechanics

[jonty125]

Vote Count
Anarkistsdream (1) kgb007;

Deadline is Thursday, 3 April @ 0900GMT, if the vote count were to remain so at deadline Anarkistsdream would be lynched.

[safariguy5]

I'm not saying I don't believe some players claims more than others but in order of likelihood of in game, doc(me of course), cop - saf, bus driver - hotshot, vig - virus, deflector - neb, encryptor - loot and no claim from nark or nag just yet

Might be a good idea to rank my scumminess candidates as well. I'll order from least scummy to most.

1. me-cop
2. doc-kgb
3. busdriver-hotshot
4. deflector-neb
5. encryptor-loot
6. vig-virus
7. nark
8. nag

I still can't get over the idea of a one-shot vig. Especially with all these claimed manipulative roles. The only reason I put virus before nark and nag would be the lack of claims, but I still feel one-shot vig is a good fakeclaim to prevent having to make up night actions while also feeling underpowered for this game.

[Anarkistsdream]

Let me also state that, just like Nagerous or I could have lied to Lootifer, Loot could have lied to us... If you were a mafia encryptor, wouldn't it make sense to tell the people that you recruit that you are town? There was no rule against him lying to us, just as easily... At least one person is scum... or is it just a serial killer? Nowhere did Metsfanmaxs role say Mafia anything...

[nagerous]

Sorry guys just catching up as am in thailand now.. I am a commuter for my own protection I am not going to say which nights I have commuted on.

[nagerous]

Loot is inno for what he has informed me I am part of his mason recruitment. What is a bit rubbish is that he cannot clear his recruits which just makes the role a little bit pointless. Either way he is definitely clear. Nark I believe as well, I just don't think he would play such a game if he was lying and would actually try and produce a decent fake claim. I am least convinced by this one shot vig. Also bus driver and deflector? That seems a bit extreme on the mechanics front and gets confusing quick.. At least one of you is lying.

[nagerous]

KGB and Safari seem legit to me.. Someone being a doctor definitely makes sense.

vote virus for the weakest claim

[nagerous]

My char name is rudo for those interested

[nagerous]

Has anyone checked new guys posting habits during the night phase to see if he posted at all when this game was in night. I am not convinced jonty would have let him miss two nights without more urgent replacement action

[nagerous]

Benga, I got that your reasoning was probably that someone said the day should just end, but would it kill you to give a reason with your vote? It doesnt look good when you come in and hammer someone with a one liner. Anyways, Ill wait for the scene I suppose. I guess I cant really blame you, he has had long enough to post and hasnt, but the one liner is something to work on.

I gave my reasoning in earlier post, just hammered so we can continue, he was dead anyway

K, was meant mostly as a warning anyways, I must have missed the post so Ill go read it. lol

Interesting... So he posted during the last night phase but didn't send a night action in? I smell bullshit, I actually think they are both mafia but will change my vote now from virus to hotshot unvote vote hotshot

[HotShot53]

Benga, I got that your reasoning was probably that someone said the day should just end, but would it kill you to give a reason with your vote? It doesnt look good when you come in and hammer someone with a one liner. Anyways, Ill wait for the scene I suppose. I guess I cant really blame you, he has had long enough to post and hasnt, but the one liner is something to work on.

I gave my reasoning in earlier post, just hammered so we can continue, he was dead anyway

K, was meant mostly as a warning anyways, I must have missed the post so Ill go read it. lol

Interesting... So he posted during the last night phase but didn't send a night action in? I smell bullshit, I actually think they are both mafia but will change my vote now from virus to hotshot unvote vote hotshot

Honestly, I don't know why he didn't busdrive anyone, maybe he was around but didn't know who to pick so he purposefully skipped his action. All I know is that my role PM said he didn't use the actions, so I assumed he just wasn't around. If I was fake claiming I would have gone back and invented a busdrive that wouldn't have affected any of the claimed actions.

[HotShot53]

At this point, everyone has claimed that can/will. So our options are to figure out who we think is actually scum and lynch them, or go with a no-lynch, hope nothing too bad happens in night, test some claims/investigate and be more sure of a lynch tomorrow when one would then have to be made.

Going with a lynch, if one goes wrong, would be probably almost game over for town, unless the night goes our way. A correct lynch though would pretty much seal the victory for town though.

If going for a lynch, I would look most at Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous. To me it looks like the 3 man mafia able to cover for each other, and with nark saying to investigate him, that would make him the godfather that would show clean on an investigation.

I would believe safari and kgb's role claims the most (as would everyone else it seems). So the only other potential scum are neb and virus. That would make it only a 2 person mafia, or one of Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous has fooled their talking buddies. I wouldn't be surprised if neb was something like third party survivor as you basically have to lynch him to kill him.

If we go no-lynch, then kgb can protect safari, and I can busdrive kgb to protect him (as long as the vig doesn't kill whomever I switch him with, or neb deflects to them lol). Per neb, if he's not scum, he'd also be safe. So there is a good chance I'd get killed tonight lol. But if safari investigates either nag or virus or neb, that would assure ourselves of scum more or make the pool smaller... and loot would have to be able to recruit someone else into his group in order to prove his roll claim, or else it's obvious he lied. And there can't be 4 scum or else it would already be game over, so if the three of them are scum no-one else would confirm it. The only risk is another happening like last night where there are multiple kills.

So although I'm pretty sure Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous are our scum, because it's safest to be 100% sure who we are killing and not risk losing I will vote no lynch for now

[Anarkistsdream]

At this point, everyone has claimed that can/will. So our options are to figure out who we think is actually scum and lynch them, or go with a no-lynch, hope nothing too bad happens in night, test some claims/investigate and be more sure of a lynch tomorrow when one would then have to be made.

Going with a lynch, if one goes wrong, would be probably almost game over for town, unless the night goes our way. A correct lynch though would pretty much seal the victory for town though.

If going for a lynch, I would look most at Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous. To me it looks like the 3 man mafia able to cover for each other, and with nark saying to investigate him, that would make him the godfather that would show clean on an investigation.

I would believe safari and kgb's role claims the most (as would everyone else it seems). So the only other potential scum are neb and virus. That would make it only a 2 person mafia, or one of Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous has fooled their talking buddies. I wouldn't be surprised if neb was something like third party survivor as you basically have to lynch him to kill him.

If we go no-lynch, then kgb can protect safari, and I can busdrive kgb to protect him (as long as the vig doesn't kill whomever I switch him with, or neb deflects to them lol). Per neb, if he's not scum, he'd also be safe. So there is a good chance I'd get killed tonight lol. But if safari investigates either nag or virus or neb, that would assure ourselves of scum more or make the pool smaller... and loot would have to be able to recruit someone else into his group in order to prove his roll claim, or else it's obvious he lied. And there can't be 4 scum or else it would already be game over, so if the three of them are scum no-one else would confirm it. The only risk is another happening like last night where there are multiple kills.

So although I'm pretty sure Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous are our scum, because it's safest to be 100% sure who we are killing and not risk losing I will vote no lynch for now

I think you are scum and are not lynching one of us because when we flip town, your ass would be on the line, brother.

[HotShot53]

At this point, everyone has claimed that can/will. So our options are to figure out who we think is actually scum and lynch them, or go with a no-lynch, hope nothing too bad happens in night, test some claims/investigate and be more sure of a lynch tomorrow when one would then have to be made.

Going with a lynch, if one goes wrong, would be probably almost game over for town, unless the night goes our way. A correct lynch though would pretty much seal the victory for town though.

If going for a lynch, I would look most at Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous. To me it looks like the 3 man mafia able to cover for each other, and with nark saying to investigate him, that would make him the godfather that would show clean on an investigation.

I would believe safari and kgb's role claims the most (as would everyone else it seems). So the only other potential scum are neb and virus. That would make it only a 2 person mafia, or one of Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous has fooled their talking buddies. I wouldn't be surprised if neb was something like third party survivor as you basically have to lynch him to kill him.

If we go no-lynch, then kgb can protect safari, and I can busdrive kgb to protect him (as long as the vig doesn't kill whomever I switch him with, or neb deflects to them lol). Per neb, if he's not scum, he'd also be safe. So there is a good chance I'd get killed tonight lol. But if safari investigates either nag or virus or neb, that would assure ourselves of scum more or make the pool smaller... and loot would have to be able to recruit someone else into his group in order to prove his roll claim, or else it's obvious he lied. And there can't be 4 scum or else it would already be game over, so if the three of them are scum no-one else would confirm it. The only risk is another happening like last night where there are multiple kills.

So although I'm pretty sure Anarkistsdream, Lootifer and nagerous are our scum, because it's safest to be 100% sure who we are killing and not risk losing I will vote no lynch for now

I think you are scum and are not lynching one of us because when we flip town, your ass would be on the line, brother.

If the others are sure enough that you are scum to lynch, I'd be fine with that too.

[Anarkistsdream]

But that's just it... I'm not... And, I will say it in every game: I am NEVER scum.

[HotShot53]

But that's just it... I'm not... And, I will say it in every game: I am NEVER scum.

And what does you being town in every other game have to do with you being town in this game? Nothing.

[Anarkistsdream]

But that's just it... I'm not... And, I will say it in every game: I am NEVER scum.

And what does you being town in every other game have to do with you being town in this game? Nothing.

Again, it's all meta... and, as I already said, just like in stereotypes, meta is based in truth...

But of course I don't expect people to take my word for it... Actually, yeah I do... Because I haven't had to lie in a mafia game since 2007... I am not sure how effective I would be... but you have to judge people on something, and, in mafia, that is usually playstyle. So, my playstyle is the same as ot always is,

[HotShot53]

But that's just it... I'm not... And, I will say it in every game: I am NEVER scum.

And what does you being town in every other game have to do with you being town in this game? Nothing.

Again, it's all meta... and, as I already said, just like in stereotypes, meta is based in truth...

But of course I don't expect people to take my word for it... Actually, yeah I do... Because I haven't had to lie in a mafia game since 2007... I am not sure how effective I would be... but you have to judge people on something, and, in mafia, that is usually playstyle. So, my playstyle is the same as ot always is,

And like all stereotypes, there are always exceptions to the rule too. I don't go by meta usually, as I don't know enough of the players well enough yet. If I was though... I don't know that your meta is the same, you are way too calm while being accused here, normally you flip out a lot more lol.

I am about 75% sure you are the mafia godfather... but since I'm not 100% sure I am willing to no lynch, unless the other town (such as safari and kgb) think they are sure enough to lynch

[Lootifer]

@ Virus: I do suspect nag. His claim is effectively a BP, so is Nebs; yet Nebs role also over-laps with hotshots. Someones lying here.

But then nag has a compelling case on new guys activity; that kinda makes hotshot and nag unlikely to be buddies (barring gambit ofc).

So that kinda points to Neb, but then this is a closed setup and who knows what Jontys thrown into the mix.

And then you have this 1-shot vig claim.



So on balance I am leaning towards no lynch since I think we have enough in the way of town PRs to make the night phase benefit us (we'd gain more than we lost).

Presumably you guys want me to target kgb to chat with to verify my claim?

Let me also state that, just like Nagerous or I could have lied to Lootifer, Loot could have lied to us... If you were a mafia encryptor, wouldn't it make sense to tell the people that you recruit that you are town? There was no rule against him lying to us, just as easily... At least one person is scum... or is it just a serial killer? Nowhere did Metsfanmaxs role say Mafia anything...

Yeah, I think my role is somewhat of a bastard role in that doesn't really help town much at all since it provides no information

[HotShot53]

Presumably you guys want me to target kgb to chat with to verify my claim?

no... if you target kgb and I busdrive him, then you'll get whomever I switch him with. You should target safari, who will be protected by the doc. So then you have no excuses of saying you tried to recruit someone who died, or that no-one was recruited because I switched kgb with one of you three (which is what you were hoping would happen I assume)

[jonty125]

Vote Count
Anarkistsdream (1) - kgb007;
Hotshot53 (1) - nagerous;
No Lynch (1) - Hotshot53;

Deadline is Thursday, 3 April @ 0900GMT, if the vote count were to remain so at deadline 24-hour runoff would be enforced.

[safariguy5]

That seems like as good a plan as we can get. I'm definitely going to think about who I'm investigating as I don't want to tip off a mafia framer if there is one, but honestly, town's in a tough spot even assuming hotshot and kgb are truthful in their claims.

vote no lynch

[nagerous]

Benga, I got that your reasoning was probably that someone said the day should just end, but would it kill you to give a reason with your vote? It doesnt look good when you come in and hammer someone with a one liner. Anyways, Ill wait for the scene I suppose. I guess I cant really blame you, he has had long enough to post and hasnt, but the one liner is something to work on.

I gave my reasoning in earlier post, just hammered so we can continue, he was dead anyway

K, was meant mostly as a warning anyways, I must have missed the post so Ill go read it. lol

Interesting... So he posted during the last night phase but didn't send a night action in? I smell bullshit, I actually think they are both mafia but will change my vote now from virus to hotshot unvote vote hotshot

Honestly, I don't know why he didn't busdrive anyone, maybe he was around but didn't know who to pick so he purposefully skipped his action. All I know is that my role PM said he didn't use the actions, so I assumed he just wasn't around. If I was fake claiming I would have gone back and invented a busdrive that wouldn't have affected any of the claimed actions.

Not everyone had claimed yet so of course you are going to claim a non-involved role

[nagerous]

Your investigation can be rendered meaningless as they can be manipulated by the actions the 'spin' roles say they have taken...you know that anyway, if we go down the route of no lynch we should definitely claim your action last. I am not changing my vote as I am confident with it.