Wishy-Washy Mafia (7/13) Endgame: Forgiveness (Town Win)

[HotShot53]

I can confirm I am a VT. unvote gregwolf

didn't think you would do anything else;)
of course with the role cop ability being used we have to keep in mind that you could have been a mafia goon so turn up VT. but you were not on my powerrole or mafia list, so that makes you unknown / possibly VT list. which adds up so for now i believe that gregwolf's claim and yours are both true.

Like I said before, if we have a cult recruiter, it makes more sense to have just a SKer as opposed to a true mafia group. Given what we know from Night 1, it's highly unlikely to me that we would have mafia goons as I do not believe we have a mafia "group".

I agree that based on the size of our town it's probably a SK and a recruiter we are facing rather than a traditional mafia. Luckily because the recruit got killed we know about the recruiter on the first night and they don't have a recruit yet.

I'm glad to see gregwolf posting in here and some more activity, so our pressure worked... claim seems believable so I will also unvote gregwolf

TFO has not been posting much, and looking back in posting history his vote "accidentally" caused mtamburini to be at L-1 for a lynching. That plus his suddenly re-appearing immediately after benga started questioning his silence looks suspicious to me. So I will vote TFO

[safariguy5]

I'll wait for a vote count before deciding on voting TFO, but I just want to point out that Flow doesn't seem to be too active either. FoS Flow

[rishaed]

Vote Count:

TFO (3) - benga, Hotshot53, Nebuchadnezer
Melkor52 (1) - Flow520
benga (1) - kratos644

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. I apologize about the lack of vote counts recently. I will try to do better. Deadline is on the 15th.

[safariguy5]

Vote TFO, I think it's time to hear a claim.

[jonty125]

Deadline is on the 15th.

It seems I was wrong about deadline. And I now it doesn't saying but claim time TFO.

[TheForgivenOne]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

[benga]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

that would make you like 7th VT out of 11 still alive?

[kratos644]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

that would make you like 7th VT out of 11 still alive?

7? I thought we had 4? I could be wrong because that's just off the top of my head but I'll look back when I get home if no one posts otherwise

[Melkor52]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

Good, because after re-reading everything said in D2 you are my most likely candidate for scum. I cast no vote yet, but FOS TFO.

[jonty125]

My vote stays, WCS a VT is lost.

[virus90]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

that would make you like 7th VT out of 11 still alive?

7? I thought we had 4? I could be wrong because that's just off the top of my head but I'll look back when I get home if no one posts otherwise

i thought so too, but at that point i thought there was a regular mafia and a third party, if there is a SK and a recruiter, there are possibly more VT.

i could think of 4 people who have claimed already, please add any others if they did, havent read everything back.

greg - cop
rest VT:
me
TFO
jonty

[Flow520]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

Good, because after re-reading everything said in D2 you are my most likely candidate for scum. I cast no vote yet, but FOS TFO.

I have to agree with this.
Unvote Vote TFO

And jonty is correct,

My vote stays, WCS a VT is lost.

Worst case, we lose a VT. And potentially find scum who hammers...

[kratos644]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

that would make you like 7th VT out of 11 still alive?

7? I thought we had 4? I could be wrong because that's just off the top of my head but I'll look back when I get home if no one posts otherwise

i thought so too, but at that point i thought there was a regular mafia and a third party, if there is a SK and a recruiter, there are possibly more VT.

i could think of 4 people who have claimed already, please add any others if they did, havent read everything back.

greg - cop
rest VT:
me
TFO
jonty

Mtamburi was also a VT

[kratos644]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

Good, because after re-reading everything said in D2 you are my most likely candidate for scum. I cast no vote yet, but FOS TFO.

I have to agree with this.
Unvote Vote TFO

And jonty is correct,

My vote stays, WCS a VT is lost.

Worst case, we lose a VT. And potentially find scum who hammers...

What happened to the smiley that beats its head against a brick wall? Oh well...
You realize what you're basically saying is "I believe we should vote this person and lynch him but whoever hammers is probably scum" WHAT!?!?!

Benga still doesn't sit right with me but you've definitely moved up the list as well.

[Nebuchadnezer]

I am another VT. I won't be on for the rest of the day, so I'll respond tomorrow to any other questions.

Good, because after re-reading everything said in D2 you are my most likely candidate for scum. I cast no vote yet, but FOS TFO.

I have to agree with this.
Unvote Vote TFO

And jonty is correct,

My vote stays, WCS a VT is lost.

Worst case, we lose a VT. And potentially find scum who hammers...

What happened to the smiley that beats its head against a brick wall? Oh well...
You realize what you're basically saying is "I believe we should vote this person and lynch him but whoever hammers is probably scum" WHAT!?!?!

Benga still doesn't sit right with me but you've definitely moved up the list as well.

Yes, Flow, looks like you're trying to get on the bandwagon before the hammer, so that you can deflect to someone else right away tomorrow.

I'm okay with lynching TFO. Since we have a recruiter and a killer, we have to have some kind of power roles...this is a LOT of VT...which is suspicious to me, and why I'm okay with this lynch.

Also, I have not seen Benga do anything to raise my suspicions on him.

[benga]

I was just implying there are too many VT claims here, I am not sure virus anf TFO are VT.

Also Flow seems to love those bandwagons.

How much time we have before night comes?

[Flow520]

Please don't mistake my reasoning.
I would not be fine with hammering a potential VT.
Since as Neb correctly points out:

Since we have a recruiter and a killer, we have to have some kind of power roles...this is a LOT of VT...which is suspicious to me, and why I'm okay with this lynch.

Because of that, I'm fine with putting a potential VT at L-1 in order to try and bait out a potential hammering scum.
(Of course I now realize that telling everyone this will make it so scum will not drop the hammer on TFO since a day without lynch is preferable to revealing themselves. )

[benga]

Please don't mistake my reasoning.
I would not be fine with hammering a potential VT.
Since as Neb correctly points out:

Since we have a recruiter and a killer, we have to have some kind of power roles...this is a LOT of VT...which is suspicious to me, and why I'm okay with this lynch.

Because of that, I'm fine with putting a potential VT at L-1 in order to try and bait out a potential hammering scum.
(Of course I now realize that telling everyone this will make it so scum will not drop the hammer on TFO since a day without lynch is preferable to revealing themselves. )

Didn't you just jumped into your own mouth?

[Flow520]

Also Flow seems to love those bandwagons.

You make it sound like a trend.... My vote on TFO was my first vote this game on anyone with more than a single vote on them...

[Flow520]

Please don't mistake my reasoning.
I would not be fine with hammering a potential VT.
Since as Neb correctly points out:

Since we have a recruiter and a killer, we have to have some kind of power roles...this is a LOT of VT...which is suspicious to me, and why I'm okay with this lynch.

Because of that, I'm fine with putting a potential VT at L-1 in order to try and bait out a potential hammering scum.
(Of course I now realize that telling everyone this will make it so scum will not drop the hammer on TFO since a day without lynch is preferable to revealing themselves. )

Didn't you just jumped into your own mouth?

Is that even English ? o_O
Benga, L-1 does not equal hammer.
We have a recruiter, a killer, and there must be some power roles, so there is a lot of VT, which is definitely suspicious. So I'm OK with putting up a claimed (suspicious) VT as bait for scum to hammer.
If TFO turns out to be a VT, then greg has an excellent lead on who to investigate tonight. (I think this gives more solid leads than gut feelings, conjecture, watching patterns of who agrees with who, etc)
But now I don't think anyone will hammer TFO for the reason I previously stated.

[jonty125]

@Flow Hammering on a claimed VT, does not make you scum. Hammering (or even putting at L-1) before claim without a good reason is scum or hammering a PR.

[benga]

@Flow Hammering on a claimed VT, does not make you scum.

Not sure if I follow, he is trying to hammer a claimed VT, to me this implies he is scum.

[jonty125]

@Flow Hammering on a claimed VT, does not make you scum.

Not sure if I follow, he is trying to hammer a claimed VT, to me this implies he is scum.

To me it doesn't, it's a very low risk lynch. VT is an easy safe claim for scum, so like a said WCS is we lynch a VT, BCS we lynch scum.

[kratos644]

@Flow Hammering on a claimed VT, does not make you scum.

Not sure if I follow, he is trying to hammer a claimed VT, to me this implies he is scum.

To me it doesn't, it's a very low risk lynch. VT is an easy safe claim for scum, so like a said WCS is we lynch a VT, BCS we lynch scum.

What Jonty said. It also narrows the pool of people Greg needs to investigate tonight assuming Sk and recruiter as opposed to mafia and recruiter we are currently up 9-2 as far as town goes. If TFO is VT we go to a likely 6-3 to start the next day. That will put us in potential LYLO tomorrow. There is also the chance for the Sk to kill the recruiter or the recruiter to recruit the Sk, which may or may not kill the recruiter. Our deadline isn't until the 15th so I won't hammer quite yet. I still want the opportunity to reread and see if there is anything big that we've been missing before ending the day

[safariguy5]

I'm still not comfortable with your timing or reasoning for voting Flow. You seem to be saying that you're voting TFO to try and bait out scum, which implies you believe his claim. On the other hand, you also say that you think there are too many VT claims which implies you don't believe his claim. So I think it's a very weak vote that you're trying to disguise as legitimate.

As for the claim itself, this many VT's wouldn't make sense for town. Cult recruiter is tough enough to find on it's own, but if you add the additional kill pressure from a SKer, town needs to have more investigative/protective roles than 1 cop. Even if you are a VT now, it's probably more likely for the cult recruiter to recruit you as VT's rank low on investigative role targets and there's no guarantee you'll be VT later on in the game still. Also means you don't have to fake night actions once recruited. So I'm fine with the TFO lynch as there's a pretty good chance he won't be town for long even if he is telling the truth.

By the way kratos, I think that the numbers would be 6-2-1 tomorrow, as a cultist was killed. I don't think the cult recruiter would start with a recruit this game as the numbers are too small. Still very close to LYLO, but not quite so dire. SKer has to win alone after all.