[GON 2nd mafia game] The townies won

[SiriusCowKing]

If the player was poisoned he would not disappear, he would simply die the following night. If a player is killed in the night, it is possible for that player to use his power the same night.

[DB4Christ]

If I read the role capabilities right, one possibility is that TC is the Jester, and circumstances created by nighttime activities could have caused the Mod to remove him from play. Anyone else read it that way?

[DB4Christ]

Whoops....scratch that. I read it wrong. How very puzzling!

[TuffyLess]

Is DB4 not still a prime candidate?

Why ... is he still talking to much for ya?
I find this to be quite a scummy diversionary comment.

The rest of us are trying to put together what roles were involved last night and this is how you want to contribute?


Anyway,
There really are 3 incidents last night - 2 gunshot killings + TC.
I was leaning towards the idea that TC was killed too and a mafia janitor came in to clean up his mess.
I now discount that as a possibility because it appears the MOD doesnt have the choice between revealing to us either a disappearance or a killing. MOD must reveal it as a killing.
Just process of eliminating here ... so no janitor & no poison.


Im thinking Crasp - the mafia roleblocker was killed by either a 3rd party, another mafia family, or another pro-town vig.
I doubt townies got two vigilantes but suppose possible to have 1 vigilante and 1 overeager vigilante OR 1 Paranoid Gun Owner.

[Gabsensei]

after reading the role for over 30min i found only one possibility that could be. if he was to be an inventor and have an invention that could make him disapear for one day it could work and sometime the mod would only tell him you have invention A, B and C and not tell him what it does and so he tried one and made him disapear. but tbh i am not 100% sure about it still

[King Edward 3rd]

That sounds like A possible explanation for TCs disappearance & maybe it was a time machine. So then what I'm hearing is that scarlet lady was a mob hit & crasp was a person with night moves of some kind. Is that correct?

[qbert68]

Maybe TC is a hider and is hiding behind someone for the moment as not to get lynched. Since there was 2 shots was crasp a vengeful townie?

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 2 vote count:
no votes yet


With 15 players in the game and 1 player missing it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 14 days

[qbert68]

It is hard to figure out who to vote for when everyone is saying to vote for everyone else, so I will be sitting at home having a doughnut and a hot cup of cocoa reading over my notes to try to get a vote in for someone to hang. So if anyone would like to come over and go over notes I have plenty of doughnuts and cocoa to share.

[mtamburini]

Is it possible for him to be the Hider and is still hiding?

[Killuminati19]

Is DB4 not still a prime candidate?

Why ... is he still talking to much for ya?
I find this to be quite a scummy diversionary comment.

The rest of us are trying to put together what roles were involved last night and this is how you want to contribute?


Anyway,
There really are 3 incidents last night - 2 gunshot killings + TC.
I was leaning towards the idea that TC was killed too and a mafia janitor came in to clean up his mess.
I now discount that as a possibility because it appears the MOD doesnt have the choice between revealing to us either a disappearance or a killing. MOD must reveal it as a killing.
Just process of eliminating here ... so no janitor & no poison.


Im thinking Crasp - the mafia roleblocker was killed by either a 3rd party, another mafia family, or another pro-town vig.
I doubt townies got two vigilantes but suppose possible to have 1 vigilante and 1 overeager vigilante OR 1 Paranoid Gun Owner.

Yeah, looks like a lot is getting accomplished.

[SiriusCowKing]

Is it possible for him to be the Hider and is still hiding?

No, it is not possible.

[TuffyLess]

Is DB4 not still a prime candidate?

Why ... is he still talking to much for ya?
I find this to be quite a scummy diversionary comment.

The rest of us are trying to put together what roles were involved last night and this is how you want to contribute?

Yeah, looks like a lot is getting accomplished.

So lets just forget about it all and hang DB4 because its the easier thing to do eh?
Seems scummy ... very scummy.

[archer3base]

Just went through the roles again... I believe TheCrown was either the Weak Doctor or the Hider. He either tried to protect the mafia as a doctor (if you're the weak doctor and protect the mafia you die) or tried to hide behind a mafia (moderator discretion here as to whether or not the hider is killed in this situation). Either way, I believe TheCrown is dead and the mafia have disposed of his body. We would have found a body otherwise and no player has the ability to hide during the day.

As to why 2 people died it looks like the mafia killed Lady Scarlet unless they killed no one. Crasp is a different story... we could have an overeager vigilante, Lady Scarlet could of happened to have killed Crasp before Lady Scarlet died, or just a regular vigilante. I don't think we have a serial killer as they don't have guns and both Crasp and Scarlet Lady were shot.

Anyone else got any ideas? This is all I got... Our investigators need to come forward with any information they might have found out.

[archer3base]

Is DB4 not still a prime candidate?

Why ... is he still talking to much for ya?
I find this to be quite a scummy diversionary comment.

The rest of us are trying to put together what roles were involved last night and this is how you want to contribute?

Yeah, looks like a lot is getting accomplished.

So lets just forget about it all and hang DB4 because its the easier thing to do eh?
Seems scummy ... very scummy.

I agree with Tuffy... We should have more information to go off of today and shouldn't make any accusations without hearing what our investigators have to say. We should have some protective roles out there so if we have a couple people speak up, the investigators should be ok.

[DB4Christ]

The only good reason for a cop or a watcher to come out and say something at this point is if they discovered SCUM. If their investigation revealed nothing beneficial, they should remain silent for now. If we don't hear anything out of them, we should proceed with our evaluations and press someone for info or a claim. I don't think TC is alive anymore, I just cant figure out why he would not be reported dead yet. I don't see anything in roles that would have him alive and silent......it's baffling!!!

[DB4Christ]

I can only approach this from my perspective. I know I am Townie, so here is how I am looking at it. You who are Townies will have the same perspective. SCUM want to lynch by day, so I am going back to the lynching parties as the only concrete and productive way of identifying SCUM. If a Cop or Watcher reveal something, it will of course change my method. For now:
DB4Christ - archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei, Killuminati19, Crasp, DB4Christ, Elsuper bano (Page 20)
Ragot25 - CHECK-M8, TheCrown, Killuminati19, Crasp, mtamburini, TuffyLess, Mithridaties, King Edward 3rd, DB4Christ,Cump (Page 30)
Those in Blue are dead or missing. I must presume SCUM are common to both list. Thoughts fellow Townies?

[jusplay4fun]

a few thoughts:

yes, lots done overnight, BUT I still am no closer at this point to identify Mafia;

so, unless I see compelling reason(s), I see no reason at this time to change my vote....

NO one has pointed out to me why Ragot was lynched; I think some of you were convinced by Mafia to kill an innocent man. I suggest you look at how you were manipulated to vote to lynch an innocent man. There was much discussion from page 25 or so on to change the vote of several of you.

[Cump Sherman]

I haven't chimed in up to now because I am as confused as most of you. I believe I cast the last vote for Ragot and was convinced it was right when I did it. Even though it took 10 of us, I feel more responsible. Ok, I'll save my speech for the funeral.

I am also reminded that Crasp's last words were about him possibly dying during the night. When he said it, I thought he was just rambling. Now, I'm not so sure. Maybe he knew something and paid the price.

As for TC, I'm leaning toward Gabsensei's explanation.

Qbert - I'm taking you up on your offer but I hope you have something stronger than cocoa. Irish coffee would be nice.

[archer3base]

a few thoughts:

yes, lots done overnight, BUT I still am no closer at this point to identify Mafia;

so, unless I see compelling reason(s), I see no reason at this time to change my vote....

NO one has pointed out to me why Ragot was lynched; I think some of you were convinced by Mafia to kill an innocent man. I suggest you look at how you were manipulated to vote to lynch an innocent man. There was much discussion from page 25 or so on to change the vote of several of you.

I'd just like to point out that I never changed my vote and of course a pro-townie was lynched. As of now I'm going in the same direction as last time...

[Mithridaties]

Well those were all terry interesting nocturnal happenings. It was all so unexpected. The crown gone, and the best explanation is time travel? this sounds like it was written by a star trek enthusiast. Most irregular.

[Elsuper bano]

I can only approach this from my perspective. I know I am Townie, so here is how I am looking at it. You who are Townies will have the same perspective. SCUM want to lynch by day, so I am going back to the lynching parties as the only concrete and productive way of identifying SCUM. If a Cop or Watcher reveal something, it will of course change my method. For now:
DB4Christ - archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei, Killuminati19, Crasp, DB4Christ, Elsuper bano (Page 20)
Ragot25 - CHECK-M8, TheCrown, Killuminati19, Crasp, mtamburini, TuffyLess, Mithridaties, King Edward 3rd, DB4Christ,Cump (Page 30)
Those in Blue are dead or missing. I must presume SCUM are common to both list. Thoughts fellow Townies?

Well if I am not mistaken that singles out you DB & Killuminati.

[Gabsensei]

a few thoughts:

yes, lots done overnight, BUT I still am no closer at this point to identify Mafia;

so, unless I see compelling reason(s), I see no reason at this time to change my vote....

NO one has pointed out to me why Ragot was lynched; I think some of you were convinced by Mafia to kill an innocent man. I suggest you look at how you were manipulated to vote to lynch an innocent man. There was much discussion from page 25 or so on to change the vote of several of you.

I'd just like to point out that I never changed my vote and of course a pro-townie was lynched. As of now I'm going in the same direction as last time...

well i have to say it would be a good start and it might help out for myself i stayed with my vote on db4 but now i am not sure if i would vote for him again he does not look that scumy anymore

beside that if crown was dead they need to tell you he is dead and not vanish and he only disapeared so i would say he is still alive

and to see who we should ask to reveal i think we need to go witht he one who were only BW on other people cause it went from db4 to killuminati to raggot and no one asked a damn thing about them

[jusplay4fun]

Does BW = Band Wagon, as in going along with the "tide" or mob mentality of accusing the one everyone else does, at that moment?

That is why I said at L-2 that I saw no reason to lynch Ragot; I said then that I saw no compelling reason to accuse him....

[DB4Christ]

On D1, as TC pointed out, we needed to start somewhere. Ragot was lynched in the end for non participation/evasive behavior. With one of the Towns power roles, he should have been more active and participated. That was his mistake, not ours. We all have a role to play and are expected to participate in finding SCUM. If one of our Townie power roles has anything relevant to bring forth, they should do it now. Otherwise, we need to bring someone else who isn't participating much to the table to answer why. We need to get moving forward with our search Townies!