[GON 2nd mafia game] The townies won

[TheCrown]

That's fine, let's see if we can get the rookie to scum-slip...

Vote Ragot, for lack of participation in helping find scum. This may be just newbie jitters and he doesn't quite know what to do, but let's get a 2nd claim and go from there on which of the 2 is scummier.

[mtamburini]

And I'm not saying anyone knows for sure DB4 is mafia... but just seems like he threw out some votes, switched directions easy, too easy. Odds are, we are not going to hit mafia on day 1, without any info. But, it would show us voting patterns, so I think we should lynch someone to get more info, and we could get lucky. I would prefer one of the guys not talking to DB4, so we either need to take that path or not.

Crown makes a good argument, we did try this in last game and it failed miserably because town lost, but I think this is the way to go but lets be more careful and find the most scummiest person! With moo prodding the inactives it will generate more activity hopefully or hopefully they will be replaced/modkilled. If they do begin to talk there is a higher probabilty that someone will slip and we can get a successful lynch!

FP'ed by Crown

[Killuminati19]

Sounds like sound logic.
unvote
vote ragot

[Killuminati19]

Sorry
vote ragot

[crasp]

vote ragot I know this is bandwagoning but he hasnt spoken and i am bored.

[DB4Christ]

Unvote DB4
Okay townies, here's the way I see it, the game logic says there are most probably SCUM in this voting package:
DB4Christ - archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei, Killuminati19, Crasp, DB4Christ, Elsuper bano
The last time in VT I tried to get my fellow townies to see this, I was argued down. The SCUM know I am a townie.....and this is the number one way for SCUM to kill by day. It doesn't matter if there are one or two mafia's, the method and reason remains.
There are SCUM in here!

[TheCrown]

Unvote DB4
Okay townies, here's the way I see it, the game logic says there are most probably SCUM in this voting package:
DB4Christ - archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei, Killuminati19, Crasp, DB4Christ, Elsuper bano
The last time in VT I tried to get my fellow townies to see this, I was argued down. The SCUM know I am a townie.....and this is the number one way for SCUM to kill by day. It doesn't matter if there are one or two mafia's, the method and reason remains.
There are SCUM in here!

You voted yourself... so you should be included in the package of possible scum, right?

[DB4Christ]

Of that voting group, here are my main suspects, in no particular order:
archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei,
I selected these five either because of inactivity after voting, or just for scummy inactivity. Like many of you have stated, there is no surefire way to know on D1, but this method is the most logical. That's provided we don't get a slip up or tell to go off of.

[King Edward 3rd]

TC.......Have you ever known me to lie....! If you want to lynch me ...go for it. No powers, but the town just lost a good citizen. That's history repeating itself all over again huh TC. Doughnuts are on me Townies!
Sacrificial Lamb >Unvote Kill - Vote: DB

I don't know why but this seems really suspicious to me

vote DB

What seems suspicious to me is that this is only your 3rd post & you jump in & vote for someone who is at the top of the list of players to be lynched with no reason why. Your 1st post was a check in & the 2nd was a response to a doughnut comment. Care to explain ? Or are u going to lay low again ? unvote, vote Elsuper bano

crown I called Elsuper out on the bottom of pg. 19 & as far as I can tell he still hasn't responded

[CHECK-M8]

Of that voting group, here are my main suspects, in no particular order:
archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei,
I selected these five either because of inactivity after voting, or just for scummy inactivity. Like many of you have stated, there is no surefire way to know on D1, but this method is the most logical. That's provided we don't get a slip up or tell to go off of.

Very wise and I have 4 of those 5 on my list of top 5.

[CHECK-M8]

Question. Does one mafia know all the members of the other mafia if there is more than one mafia??

[TheCrown]

No, if there are 2 mafias, they only know the ones in their gang.

[jusplay4fun]

can we get an update on the vote?...all these unvotes are hard to follow. Thanks, Sirius.

Mike

[jusplay4fun]

25 pages and it is still day ONE??

[archer3base]

Of that voting group, here are my main suspects, in no particular order:
archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei,
I selected these five either because of inactivity after voting, or just for scummy inactivity. Like many of you have stated, there is no surefire way to know on D1, but this method is the most logical. That's provided we don't get a slip up or tell to go off of.

Very wise and I have 4 of those 5 on my list of top 5.

I am not moving my vote from DB4 just yet. No one has given me a good enough reason to change my original vote. Just remember, everyone followed me after I voted. I did not bandwagon and I presented a good reason originally for why DB4 might be scum.

Just ask yourself which is the more likely scenario:

Scenario 1 - Assume DB4 is not scum. That would mean all scum voted for DB4 because if they hadn't, the other scum would have thrown in that 10th vote to get rid of a townie.

Scenario 2 - Assume DB4 is scum. No scum would have voted for DB4 (except DB4, which is a strange but calculated risk), which would only leave a few townies left to get that final vote. It would also mean that all the people who haven't voted for DB4 would be on the list of scum candidates. These people would also most likely be the ones trying to sway the vote.

In the first scenario, scum would have no problem casting that final vote as they know for sure that DB4 was a townie and they would be lynching someone from the opposite side. Scenario 2 a townie would have to have taken a leap of faith to place that final vote to lynch which is a much tougher thing to do.

Either way, I think we've gathered some good information. I think scenario 2 is more likely but that's just me and I'm not going to change my vote. Boom!

[mtamburini]

Of that voting group, here are my main suspects, in no particular order:
archer3base, justplay4fun, Ragot25, qbert68, Gabsensei,
I selected these five either because of inactivity after voting, or just for scummy inactivity. Like many of you have stated, there is no surefire way to know on D1, but this method is the most logical. That's provided we don't get a slip up or tell to go off of.

Very wise and I have 4 of those 5 on my list of top 5.

With the inactivity occurring I dont want to lynch because inactive is not the best reason but we need to get them talking with any information they have and/or claim a role.

Vote Ragot25

Your in my top 5 for possible suspects, would like to hear you speak to change my mind.

[CHECK-M8]

I am not moving my vote from DB4 just yet. No one has given me a good enough reason to change my original vote. Just remember, everyone followed me after I voted. I did not bandwagon and I presented a good reason originally for why DB4 might be scum.

Just ask yourself which is the more likely scenario:

Scenario 1 - Assume DB4 is not scum. That would mean all scum voted for DB4 because if they hadn't, the other scum would have thrown in that 10th vote to get rid of a townie.

Scenario 2 - Assume DB4 is scum. No scum would have voted for DB4 (except DB4, which is a strange but calculated risk), which would only leave a few townies left to get that final vote. It would also mean that all the people who haven't voted for DB4 would be on the list of scum candidates. These people would also most likely be the ones trying to sway the vote.

In the first scenario, scum would have no problem casting that final vote as they know for sure that DB4 was a townie and they would be lynching someone from the opposite side. Scenario 2 a townie would have to have taken a leap of faith to place that final vote to lynch which is a much tougher thing to do.

Either way, I think we've gathered some good information. I think scenario 2 is more likely but that's just me and I'm not going to change my vote. Boom!

In what world is scenario 2 more likely?? The fact that for 3 days I am the only one that stood up for him should tell you that he isn't mafia. The speed with which everyone jumped on the bandwagon should tell you all the mafias, whether there is just one or two, were trying to get him strung up. I still am in the dark as to why he voted for himself, and that needs to be explained to me at some point, but I see no way he is mafia. He may be some sort of 3rd party but not mafia IMHO.

[TheCrown]

@CHECK, if he turns up mafia, you will have no problem with us lynching you next? How sure are you?

[CHECK-M8]

@CHECK, if he turns up mafia, you will have no problem with us lynching you next? How sure are you?

Seems fair enough

[CHECK-M8]

If the pats win on Sunday I will be praying to get lynched.

[CHECK-M8]

Life isn't worth living when the fins lose.

[CHECK-M8]

When we string someone up, do we find out if they were mafia or not right then, or do we have to wait til the end of the game ??

[archer3base]

I am not moving my vote from DB4 just yet. No one has given me a good enough reason to change my original vote. Just remember, everyone followed me after I voted. I did not bandwagon and I presented a good reason originally for why DB4 might be scum.

Just ask yourself which is the more likely scenario:

Scenario 1 - Assume DB4 is not scum. That would mean all scum voted for DB4 because if they hadn't, the other scum would have thrown in that 10th vote to get rid of a townie.

Scenario 2 - Assume DB4 is scum. No scum would have voted for DB4 (except DB4, which is a strange but calculated risk), which would only leave a few townies left to get that final vote. It would also mean that all the people who haven't voted for DB4 would be on the list of scum candidates. These people would also most likely be the ones trying to sway the vote.

In the first scenario, scum would have no problem casting that final vote as they know for sure that DB4 was a townie and they would be lynching someone from the opposite side. Scenario 2 a townie would have to have taken a leap of faith to place that final vote to lynch which is a much tougher thing to do.

Either way, I think we've gathered some good information. I think scenario 2 is more likely but that's just me and I'm not going to change my vote. Boom!

In what world is scenario 2 more likely?? The fact that for 3 days I am the only one that stood up for him should tell you that he isn't mafia. The speed with which everyone jumped on the bandwagon should tell you all the mafias, whether there is just one or two, were trying to get him strung up. I still am in the dark as to why he voted for himself, and that needs to be explained to me at some point, but I see no way he is mafia. He may be some sort of 3rd party but not mafia IMHO.

Maybe you are part of the mafia and you guys orchestrated it that way... who knows. We literally have nothing to go on except to look at the votes. Based purely on how the voting went (got to 9 and didn't get the final vote), I think scenario 2 is more likely. At lot harder to get that final vote from a townie than scum. JMO...

[CHECK-M8]

Can't see it, but whatever, I am the newbie.

[SiriusCowKing]

To answer the questions: All mafia members know each other from their own mafia. When there is more than 1 mafia family, each mafia member only know the members of their own family. When a player is killed,his role is revealed to everyone. And last, keep in mind that when I explain a role, that doesn't mean there is one in the game and it doesn't mean there is none.