BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN SHOWN IN SCHOOL

[The1exile]

Just an idle question that no-one has ever answered for me:

Why do Christians, and in fact, every religion consider themselves the correct religion? I mean, you're convinced that you are correct, but so are all the Muslims and Jews and Hindus and all the various other religions.
As far as I can tell, no religion offers a huge amount of proof for its own correctness above that of its competition, so how do you know that you follow the correct religion?

Because believing all paths lead to salvation is a condemned heresy in the Roman Catholic church, and I assume the belief is widespread, at least among xians.

[The1exile]

No, you're right...I'm a closed-minded bigot. Do you feel better now that you're liberal anti-Christian views are now validated.

I will make a call to the Christian hospice facility in Van Nuys that ministers to homosexuals dying of AIDS and tell them they can immediately shut down operations. I'll tell them that the patients in the beds are just imaginary and aren't really homosexual.

It is not to do with their sexual orientation, Luns. Aids happens to people who are not homosexuals too. The only thing that homosexuals have against them is that you are more likely to contract AIDS from anal sex.

I'm not anti-xian. I'm against people like you and jay who cling to outdated views that many Christians don't agree with, like the anti-gay campaign. Can you find me any quotes form the bible (outside of Leviticus) that say that homosexuality is wrong?[/url]

[Jenos Ridan]

Just an idle question that no-one has ever answered for me:

Why do Christians, and in fact, every religion consider themselves the correct religion? I mean, you're convinced that you are correct, but so are all the Muslims and Jews and Hindus and all the various other religions.
As far as I can tell, no religion offers a huge amount of proof for its own correctness above that of its competition, so how do you know that you follow the correct religion?

Because believing all paths lead to salvation is a condemned heresy in the Roman Catholic church, and I assume the belief is widespread, at least among xians.

I feel that while they have the right idea, they are still off track.
Can't seem to remember the verse# but "narrow is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and there are few who find it" and "Broad is the way that leads to destruction and many go by that road". It is in Matthew chapter 7, somewhere.....

[The1exile]

The belief is Indifferentism, believing no religion is better than another.

[heavycola]

Just an idle question that no-one has ever answered for me:

Why do Christians, and in fact, every religion consider themselves the correct religion? I mean, you're convinced that you are correct, but so are all the Muslims and Jews and Hindus and all the various other religions.
As far as I can tell, no religion offers a huge amount of proof for its own correctness above that of its competition, so how do you know that you follow the correct religion?

Because believing all paths lead to salvation is a condemned heresy in the Roman Catholic church, and I assume the belief is widespread, at least among xians.

This reminds me of something the Dalia Lama said at a conference he attended in the US; a woman stood up and said, 'I represent the American Buddhist Association, I converted from christianity a few years ago, and I wondered whether His Holiness had a message for us?'
The Dalai Lama smiled sadly and said 'you should have remained christian.'
(someone I know was at this conference)

I took this to mean that there are many different paths to enlightenment, and that a spiritual and ascetic life was the only necessary and common factor. The truth is not a monopoly held by one belief system, in other words.

[Jenos Ridan]

Just an idle question that no-one has ever answered for me:

Why do Christians, and in fact, every religion consider themselves the correct religion? I mean, you're convinced that you are correct, but so are all the Muslims and Jews and Hindus and all the various other religions.
As far as I can tell, no religion offers a huge amount of proof for its own correctness above that of its competition, so how do you know that you follow the correct religion?

Because believing all paths lead to salvation is a condemned heresy in the Roman Catholic church, and I assume the belief is widespread, at least among xians.

This reminds me of something the Dalia Lama said at a conference he attended in the US; a woman stood up and said, 'I represent the American Buddhist Association, I converted from christianity a few years ago, and I wondered whether His Holiness had a message for us?'
The Dalai Lama smiled sadly and said 'you should have remained christian.'
(someone I know was at this conference)

I took this to mean that there are many different paths to enlightenment, and that a spiritual and ascetic life was the only necessary and common factor. The truth is not a monopoly held by one belief system, in other words.

If that is true then I'll be both surprised and delighted. I guess your a Foundationalist, 'all things point the same way' kind of guy. I can live with that, as my way works just fine.

[Balsiefen]

This is an interesting hypothetical for jay, luns ect

what if your child told you that he/she was gay, what would be your reaction?

It's not a hypothetical. I have a family member who is homosexual and I love him to death.

exactly, you seem quite reosonable, but would you agree with the showing of a film about his lifestyle?

I'd still be intrested to hear jay's answer to this when he's next on.

[Jenos Ridan]

This is an interesting hypothetical for jay, luns ect

what if your child told you that he/she was gay, what would be your reaction?

It's not a hypothetical. I have a family member who is homosexual and I love him to death.

exactly, you seem quite reosonable, but would you agree with the showing of a film about his lifestyle?

I'd still be intrested to hear jay's answer to this when he's next on.

I hope it is sensible. As much as I disagree with the life choice, it is still a choice.

[Bertros Bertros]

luns the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is a US based organisation whose data is drawn from US states. Try looking in the WHOs excellent online statistical database to find incidences of HIV in different socio-economic groups in for example African countries or perhaps India where the highest rate of infection currently exists. You'll find very different trends.

As much as you don't like it you are still being delibreately obtuse, which is very different from sarcasm. Of course transmission of the disease amongst lesbians is lower than gay men being as the predominant sexual method of transmission is penetration...

[Backglass]

As much as I disagree with the life choice, it is still a choice.

So you chose to be attracted to women then? When did you make this choice and what was your reasoning?

[jay_a2j]

This is an interesting hypothetical for jay, luns ect

what if your child told you that he/she was gay, what would be your reaction?

It's not a hypothetical. I have a family member who is homosexual and I love him to death.

exactly, you seem quite reosonable, but would you agree with the showing of a film about his lifestyle?

I'd still be intrested to hear jay's answer to this when he's next on.

Of coarse I would still love her (I have 3 girls). I'd pray for her but my love for her would never diminish.

[Bam Margera]

Hmmm what is the age requirement for an R rated movie? I'm pretty sure its not 12. I've never seen the movie myself but as I understand the plot ...it was about two gay cowboys keeping their affair a secret.

Bottom line....this shouldn't be shown in public schools any more then Girls Gone Wild.


If the public school system won't allow morality to be taught in school they had better not expect to show or teach things that can be seen as immoral.

So, you have seen girls gone wild?

[Jenos Ridan]

As much as I disagree with the life choice, it is still a choice.

So you chose to be attracted to women then? When did you make this choice and what was your reasoning?

I was speaking about the moral issue of the choice, but I'll leave it as that.

[beezer]

A few hundred years ago God was all for slavery, now hes against it. It all depends on the interperitation of said old book. Soon (hopefully) the interpretation of said book will change again, so God no longer hates homosexuals.

It has happened before many times so dont pretend it wont happen this time.

You may hate homosexuals with a fervor, but your children will probably be indifferent as the interpretation coming from Rome or London, or whereever your paticular branch of Christianity is based will have changed.

As an African-American female, your comment is offensive to me on so many levels I really am too mad to give you a good reply right now. But do yourself a favor and read some books about Abraham Lincoln or the abolitionists who lived during that time. In the meantime, try to stop being so ignorant.

Gwah?

How exactly was it offensive? The clergy may be against slavery now, but I didnt hear very many stories of priests marching en masse into Africa to stop the slave traders...

You attempt to relate the struggle of my people with those of the homosexual movement. THAT is what is so offensive. If you would read just a couple of books you would realize that Abraham Lincoln was a Christian man who stood up for us when few would. He constantly talked about God's judgement on America because of the way white folks treated us.

Also, most abolitionists were Christians. There were a couple of nutjobs like John Brown, but most were decent Christian people. They risked their lives and money to help us when nobody else would. They also helped with the Underground Railroad. Are you really that ignorant of history?

Don't ever try and relate the struggle of black people with the homosexual movement.

Oh, I thought I somehow offended you by pointing out that interpretations change.

I now see that this is not the case. I see now that you are just a bigot.

Anyway, to your arguments: You seem to be implying that every Christian prior to Abraham Lincon was a bad one, since he and his allies were the ones that helped stop slavery, while the rest did nothing.

So Neutrino throws out the "you're a bigot" card too when he can't win his point. Now that is choice! ROFL

Jay, for all the nonsense you get hurled at you, this has got to be your moment of Zen. The tolerant left throwing insults at an African-American girl. LOL. And they're supposed to be so tolerant.

[Neutrino]

So Neutrino throws out the "you're a bigot" card too when he can't win his point. Now that is choice! ROFL

Jay, for all the nonsense you get hurled at you, this has got to be your moment of Zen. The tolerant left throwing insults at an African-American girl. LOL. And they're supposed to be so tolerant.

Im not one to throw expletives and insults around with abandon, but I think 'bigot' is fully justified in this situation. She dosent even pretend to have even the slightest tolerance for anything non-Christian. I mean, she got actively angry when she thought I was comparing homosexuals to the abolution of slavery.

What does African-American have to do with it? People are people and just because your race suffered some awful things in the past, dosent mean you get any special status.

[Jenos Ridan]

This is an interesting hypothetical for jay, luns ect

what if your child told you that he/she was gay, what would be your reaction?

It's not a hypothetical. I have a family member who is homosexual and I love him to death.

exactly, you seem quite reosonable, but would you agree with the showing of a film about his lifestyle?

I'd still be intrested to hear jay's answer to this when he's next on.

Of coarse I would still love her (I have 3 girls). I'd pray for her but my love for her would never diminish.

And if you didn't, you'd be a liar.

[Jenos Ridan]

So Neutrino throws out the "you're a bigot" card too when he can't win his point. Now that is choice! ROFL

Jay, for all the nonsense you get hurled at you, this has got to be your moment of Zen. The tolerant left throwing insults at an African-American girl. LOL. And they're supposed to be so tolerant.

Im not one to throw expletives and insults around with abandon, but I think 'bigot' is fully justified in this situation. She dosent even pretend to have even the slightest tolerance for anything non-Christian. I mean, she got actively angry when she thought I was comparing homosexuals to the abolution of slavery.

What does African-American have to do with it? People are people and just because your race suffered some awful things in the past, dosent mean you get any special status.

No race is better than another. The idea of a 'Master Race', I find most ignorant and un-godly. I agree, no special treatment. If that means you have to just grin and bare it when so jerk throws out the N* word, then tough.

[hecter]

Please add me to the list of "homophobes". You're right, luns - they are trying to set themselves up as the tolerant, open-minded ones and labeling us as the close-minded ones. Obviously, they don't like it when that notion is challenged.

Another good post. Yeah the list of "homophobes" is growing. Maybe we can term the other side "moralityaphobes"? lol

Right… Because my morals are different, yet just as strong, I am now a hater of morals. Good job jay. Good job

[Jenos Ridan]

Please add me to the list of "homophobes". You're right, luns - they are trying to set themselves up as the tolerant, open-minded ones and labeling us as the close-minded ones. Obviously, they don't like it when that notion is challenged.

Another good post. Yeah the list of "homophobes" is growing. Maybe we can term the other side "moralityaphobes"? lol

Right… Because my morals are different, yet just as strong, I am now a hater of morals. Good job jay. Good job

Quit calling them homophobes and they'll lighten up some.

[hecter]

Please add me to the list of "homophobes". You're right, luns - they are trying to set themselves up as the tolerant, open-minded ones and labeling us as the close-minded ones. Obviously, they don't like it when that notion is challenged.

Another good post. Yeah the list of "homophobes" is growing. Maybe we can term the other side "moralityaphobes"? lol

Right… Because my morals are different, yet just as strong, I am now a hater of morals. Good job jay. Good job

Quit calling them homophobes and they'll lighten up some.

Well, I agree, the term homophobe is thrown out a bit to much, as it is the extreme aversion to homosexuals, but it most definitely applies to some of the people on this thread.

[meme]

So Neutrino throws out the "you're a bigot" card too when he can't win his point. Now that is choice! ROFL

Jay, for all the nonsense you get hurled at you, this has got to be your moment of Zen. The tolerant left throwing insults at an African-American girl. LOL. And they're supposed to be so tolerant.

For his encore he could lecture some Jewish people from the Anti Defamation League who are against homosexuality and call them anti-semites!

[Neutrino]

So Neutrino throws out the "you're a bigot" card too when he can't win his point. Now that is choice! ROFL

Jay, for all the nonsense you get hurled at you, this has got to be your moment of Zen. The tolerant left throwing insults at an African-American girl. LOL. And they're supposed to be so tolerant.

For his encore he could lecture some Jewish people from the Anti Defamation League who are against homosexuality and call them anti-semites!

Wha...?

What exactly is your point?
I'd call any anti-homosexual ADL members a hipocrite of the highest order.

Its ultimate purpose is to secure justice and fair treatment to all citizens alike and to put an end forever to unjust and unfair discrimination against and ridicule of any sect or body of citizens."

Homosexuals form a sect or body of citizens, if you didnt know.

Anyway, my comment about a person not achieveng special status because of things that their race has suffered does not apply to the Holocaust.
There are people who suffered in it who are still alive today and they have full entitlement to take special status from that.

[dwightschrute]

living in Chicago and having been a public school student (the schools run by the board) the Chi. board of Ed. has been known to do some things but this girl suing is just stupid, she just wants money

[jay_a2j]

Hmmm what is the age requirement for an R rated movie? I'm pretty sure its not 12. I've never seen the movie myself but as I understand the plot ...it was about two gay cowboys keeping their affair a secret.

Bottom line....this shouldn't be shown in public schools any more then Girls Gone Wild.


If the public school system won't allow morality to be taught in school they had better not expect to show or teach things that can be seen as immoral.

So, you have seen girls gone wild?

No.

[jay_a2j]

Please add me to the list of "homophobes". You're right, luns - they are trying to set themselves up as the tolerant, open-minded ones and labeling us as the close-minded ones. Obviously, they don't like it when that notion is challenged.

Another good post. Yeah the list of "homophobes" is growing. Maybe we can term the other side "moralityaphobes"? lol

Right… Because my morals are different, yet just as strong, I am now a hater of morals. Good job jay. Good job

And just because some of us believe God sets a moral standard not to engage in homosexuality we are "homophobes". Do you get it yet????