The Conquer 500

[Donelladan]

I thought it has already been agreed that it doesnt matter that all games are finished or not since the extra territory has already been added.

Plus, some games are still waiting to be full and will be started soon... making it even longer. If you really want to wait all games are finished, then delete the waiting games on that map.

Also, it is possible to create game on the conquer 500 using the rematch option - I have been invited to one game on Conquer 500 like that recently.

[dolomite13]

I thought it has already been agreed that it doesnt matter that all games are finished or not since the extra territory has already been added.

Plus, some games are still waiting to be full and will be started soon... making it even longer. If you really want to wait all games are finished, then delete the waiting games on that map.

Also, it is possible to create game on the conquer 500 using the rematch option - I have been invited to one game on Conquer 500 like that recently.

I agree. The new xml should be uploaded and the map unlocked as the major changes were already rolled out. All we can do is wait for someone to see this discussion and agree.

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[thenobodies80]

We're waiting too (for teh cap)....if nothing happens i'll unlock the map...Maybe it will cause a mess but at least someone will listen to us in that case.

[Donelladan]

Yeah let's just open it again.
I am playing it already and didnt see any problem so let's go!

[iAmCaffeine]

WHYYYY ARE WE WAITING
WHYYYYYYYY ARE WE WAITING
OH WHYYYYYYYYYY AREEEE WEEEE WAIIIITIIIINNGGGG

[thenobodies80]

I'll explain shortly....be patient.

[dolomite13]

So the new territory "Final Lap" has been on the map for a while now and I was hoping we could get some feedback.

* Have you used it?
* Has an opponent used it against you?
* Did it help break a stalemate?
* If you have not used it... why?
* Do you feel the number is too big?

Any feedback about it is appreciated.

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p.s. I have not used it nor have I been in a game where it was used.

[Gilligan]

So the new territory "Final Lap" has been on the map for a while now and I was hoping we could get some feedback.

* Have you used it?
* Has an opponent used it against you?
* Did it help break a stalemate?
* If you have not used it... why?
* Do you feel the number is too big?

Any feedback about it is appreciated.

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p.s. I have not used it nor have I been in a game where it was used.

I haven't used it...and forgot to post here about it apparently. I think 100 is too high. Since the territory is added mainly for trench games, it doesn't seem like players will have that much of an army count difference to be able to justify using it. Especially in multiplayer games without escalating cards.

[dolomite13]

I haven't used it...and forgot to post here about it apparently. I think 100 is too high. Since the territory is added mainly for trench games, it doesn't seem like players will have that much of an army count difference to be able to justify using it. Especially in multiplayer games without escalating cards.

I agree... I was thinking it still needs to be high enough to discourage early use as it is called "Final Lap"

There is a psychology of numbers that I believe would apply. At some point a number is so great nobody will ever want to use it but make that number too low and it will become the preferred strategy. I believe it should be between 40 and 60. I am actually leaning towards the lower end and think 40 may be just fine.

Thoughts?

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[iAmCaffeine]

Very rarely would I need to use final lap, so I'd rather see this map released again asap.

[dolomite13]

I have decided to drop the neutral on Final lap to 40 and make it Killer 40

Here is the latest update. I think this should be it. Well I would actually expect one more round of positioning tweaks for the numbers but then that is it.

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XML Conquer500z40a - Map 1.1.8

Conquer500z40a.xml

Revised 11/2

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Small 1.1.8
http://imageshack.com/a/img20/4579/x6hy.png


Large 1.1.8
http://imageshack.com/a/img407/2317/ry1c.png

[Faro]

Could you please check the log on Game 13531607.

On round 5 I had the following bonus

2013-10-31 16:36:31 - Incrementing game to round 5
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro got bonus of 2 troops added to Crew 2
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro got bonus of 2 troops added to Crew 5
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro received 3 troops for holding A Pit Fuel and A Pit Tires and A Pit Engine

Problem is I held only the following at that time:
- Fuel B
- Tire C
- Engine C

So not A engine, tire of fuel. If I understand the legend correctly it's probably just a problem of phrasing for this bonus.

Edit: hmm by reading it again, I guess it's because the name of each territory start with the A capital. If it's the case, sorry for the not really helpful post.


Thank you

[Gilligan]

Could you please check the log on Game 13531607.

On round 5 I had the following bonus

2013-10-31 16:36:31 - Incrementing game to round 5
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro got bonus of 2 troops added to Crew 2
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro got bonus of 2 troops added to Crew 5
2013-10-31 16:36:46 - Faro received 3 troops for holding A Pit Fuel and A Pit Tires and A Pit Engine

Problem is I held only the following at that time:
- Fuel B
- Tire C
- Engine C

So not A engine, tire of fuel. If I understand the legend correctly it's probably just a problem of phrasing for this bonus.

Edit: hmm by reading it again, I guess it's because the name of each territory start with the A capital. If it's the case, sorry for the not really helpful post.


Thank you

You don't need to hold Fuel A, Tire A and Engine A to get the bonus. It can be a mix of letters, just as long as you hold one of each. You could hold Fuel A, Tire B and Engine C to get the bonus as well. Therefore it appears to be working correctly as you had one of each, just not the same letter of each.

EDIT: Hmmm I see what you mean here! You are referencing the A in the bonus wording:

Faro received 3 troops for holding A Pit Fuel and A Pit Tires and A Pit Engine

This is a fair point. Dolomite, perhaps it would be beneficial to use lowercase letters here.

Or you could do this;

Faro received 3 troops for holding 1 Pit Fuel, 1 Pit Tire and 1 Pit Engine
Faro received 6 troops for holding 2 Pit Fuels, 2 Pit Tires and 2 Pit Engines
Faro received 9 troops for holding 3 Pit Fuels, 3 Pit Tires and 3 Pit Engines

I'm a bigger fan of my second option. But of course it is your call!

[dolomite13]

Oooo yea maybe changing that to 1 instead of A will help make it clearer.

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[Faro]

yes just to make it clearer, it's not a big deal but might be confusing for some people (like me yesterday)

[dolomite13]

Here is the xml update changing A Pit to 1 Pit everywhere and slightly tweaking the Final lap unit location now that it is 40 instead of 100.

Conquer500z40a.xml map 1.1.8

Conquer500z40a.xml

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Online Diff Tool Report
http://www.diffnow.com/?report=7dkcg

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[dolomite13]

Can anyone confirm if this is the XML that is on the beta site? I would like to make any final tweaks to the positioning of troops based on what I see there if this is the case.

Thanx

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[Donelladan]

The final lap has 100 neutrals currently so I guess the XML has not been updated.
Check this game : Game 13640876

[dolomite13]

The final lap has 100 neutrals currently so I guess the XML has not been updated.
Check this game : Game 13640876

Yep I saw that on live I know the xml isn't updated there. On the beta server it did come up as n40 but I wasn't sure if it was the latest xml as the n40 is off to the left a pixel or two and I wanted to tweak it of that is in fact the latest version.

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[thenobodies80]

Here is the xml update changing A Pit to 1 Pit everywhere and slightly tweaking the Final lap unit location now that it is 40 instead of 100.

Conquer500z40a.xml map 1.1.8

Conquer500z40a.xml

Online Diff Tool Report
http://www.diffnow.com/?report=7dkcg

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This is available for testing

[dolomite13]

As soon as I can get a game started on the beta server I can check positioning and see if we need any changes. I should be able to do that sometime today.

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[dolomite13]

OK looks like Final Lap is a few pixels off ... I will get that fixed and uploaded shortly and we will be ready for this, hopefully final iteration, to go live.

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[dolomite13]

Working hard to get the Valentines Day map done in time for actual Valentines Day ... and Krazy Kingdom bug fixes.... will upload a tweaked XML for the unit alignment soon.

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[GeeksAreMyPeeps]

So the new territory "Final Lap" has been on the map for a while now and I was hoping we could get some feedback.

* Have you used it?
* Has an opponent used it against you?
* Did it help break a stalemate?
* If you have not used it... why?
* Do you feel the number is too big?

Any feedback about it is appreciated.

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p.s. I have not used it nor have I been in a game where it was used.

Not sure that I consider this a problem, but I did discover one permutation of game settings that makes for a potentially unbalanced advantage; I recently finished a Nuclear Assassin game, and the Final Lap location was opened up not by an attack, but by a nuke, which of course allowed the person holding that spoil to time using it for a significant advantage. The same held true later in the game for both Pit Row and Winner's Circle, but the player who nuked the Winner's Circle couldn't finish the job, giving me a slightly easier victory. (Although it was a Fog game, it looked to me like I was going to win anyway.)

I wonder if a series of 2 steps for each of these locations, with half the number of troops (so the nuker still has to conquer half the troops) might be a possibility to explore. I'm fine with it as is, but thought I'd point this out in case others are of the opinion that it adversely affects game play.

[dolomite13]

So the new territory "Final Lap" has been on the map for a while now and I was hoping we could get some feedback.

* Have you used it?
* Has an opponent used it against you?
* Did it help break a stalemate?
* If you have not used it... why?
* Do you feel the number is too big?

Any feedback about it is appreciated.

=D13=

p.s. I have not used it nor have I been in a game where it was used.

Not sure that I consider this a problem, but I did discover one permutation of game settings that makes for a potentially unbalanced advantage; I recently finished a Nuclear Assassin game, and the Final Lap location was opened up not by an attack, but by a nuke, which of course allowed the person holding that spoil to time using it for a significant advantage. The same held true later in the game for both Pit Row and Winner's Circle, but the player who nuked the Winner's Circle couldn't finish the job, giving me a slightly easier victory. (Although it was a Fog game, it looked to me like I was going to win anyway.)

I wonder if a series of 2 steps for each of these locations, with half the number of troops (so the nuker still has to conquer half the troops) might be a possibility to explore. I'm fine with it as is, but thought I'd point this out in case others are of the opinion that it adversely affects game play.

That is extremely fascinating. I won't be changing it for this map but that is a great idea to remember for anyone designing games with territories like these in the future.

Thanx

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