[CC4] KORT vs AKA 29-12 - Final 7/16

[IcePack]

Will everyone calm their shit and a glass of something very alcoholic.

[niMic]

This thread is not going to remain open for the entire war

[eddie2]

No he meant what he wrote, and you meant to distort his words and provoke new drama. Nobody forced you to send your home set several days before deadline, deadline still stays the same and games will be updated after the deadline passes.
Also, what you wrote is not funny at all (maybe it is only to you), so the lol part is really no needed.

ok let me say something.

bruce did not send me a pm to confirm the due dates for this war and until 5 days after the first exchange date they still were not posted, clan mods said they would keep an eye on things and another war was told to post them before the privs were issued, so i got to ask why that was not done in this war even after i mentioned it 3 or 4 times. then i get a warning for pulling up saying that kort were delaying sign ups because i was organized and could sign aka players straight away and some players in kort were not signing up to get screen shots (which was something i offered to them for more trench) but was told i was blackmailing them with even though they were happy with more trench. but would not allow anything extra...
then kort had a sitter issue where a player was close to missing a turn even though he had played a speed game in the time allowed for his shot and taken other turns......
even though there was no fog rule in this war and the map was not one we would look at until first shot because we no our game plan for it

then they signed up to aka games 2 days late and were given the benefit of it....
then i was talking and was told..

bruce told me you gave screen shots of the whole convo to cd's

the above quote that is screen shot i will not forward to clan mods because of what it actually says..

so to me it is looking like kort do not have to follow the rules set out in this war that were actually made by bruce against a majority of clans wanting something and being told it was done wrong and clan department went against the majority in this...

then today i come online to see the response to a simple question to update the thread and add aka games that were sent 2 days ago to the op. to be told i sent them to early.. which to be honest i sent because kort supplied me with round 1 games first and i changed 1 or 2 of akas first map choices when i seen this... and to be polite i sent kort akas map choice signed up to (by the rules of this event) within the deadline so they could do the same in round 2... and get told what josko said in the above quote....

so please tell me who has been bad in this war ???

aka for following the rules of the event or kort for not following it... and even blaming cd's for not making it clear enough even though it was written correctly for what was expected...

and what has happened kort have not been pulled for not following the rule but i have for pulling on all breaks of event rules (given a warning.)

so sorry for posting this because i do believe most of korts players are good honest players and want rules followed but the few that do not follow this are actually bringing the clan down and i honestly feel sorry for you because you are good decent people wanting a break from real life to come play some out of reality games.... but so are aka players they want the same and are really pulling there socks up for this war but are being punished because i am the one saying things and kort are pulling all the cheap tactics out of the book. So just forget about eddie2 is ranting again and think of the other 36 members of aka who are actually being cheated out of a fair and equal war, and when that is done i will shut up... because i no a lot of people hate me (who dont really no me) but i just want everything to be done properly and within the rules.

and yes this thread will properly be locked because the truth hurts.

[iAmCaffeine]

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[Shannon Apple]

This is just funny. You guys (josko and Shannon) are baiting eddie once again here. Where is he provoking you? He asked if Bruce could update OP with the games AKA has sent and one more win for them, even used the word "please". Bruce replied "no" and after that josko and Shannon jumped in to say how not normal eddie is with his tactless request, him distorting words all over the place and that OP can only be updated after the deadline has passed (another rule invented by KORT by chance?).

Oh my, you KORTs really make this topic on of the best reads I had in the last few days. Thank you!

To us, him saying "due date" when Bruce said I will put them all up on exchange date, looked like sarcasm after all the crap that went on over us and dates. My post was in direct response to his comment.

I just see other people coming in here escalating the situation further because it's a laugh to you guys to bait drama. Most of the escalation has come from outside sources because they know if they say something it'll set someone in particular off on a tl:dr rant.

@Eddie: Fair and equal is playing the games and quit making jibes at KoRT. That's all we are asking for. Everytime I look in this thread there's some sarcastic comment made and when you get called down for it, you play victim. It's just a game and you are the one ruining the game for your own clan by filling them with Bullshit. I actually like Raz, he's a pretty decent guy. You should be more like him.

[chemefreak]

The CD Team is going to discuss this thread...after some sleep...everyone try not to hurt themselves for a few hours.

After a brief review, I see some baiting, some trolling, and (if I am not mistaken) a player that was warned not to continue causing issues in this thread...continuing to cause issues in this thread. So we will be back in a bit (under my definition of "bit"). Cheers.

[chemefreak]

Okay. The appropriate warnings and such have been issued.

The CDs are watching this one closely, so bait, flame, and troll at your own peril.

Cheers.

[eddie2]

ok here is another flame bait or troll for you..

kort games have been recieved not all signed up to again.. i game still invite sent to Game 12850188 this was 2nd invite sent first run out.. so that is 3 out of 3 not been done correctly if i am correct. and not even a pm to say sorry will have it done asap..

[Bruceswar]

You really are a piece of work... Congrats you found 1 invite yet to be accepted. Want a cookie? Stop trying to cause BS and just play your games.

[josko.ri]

ok here is another flame bait or troll for you..

kort games have been recieved not all signed up to again.. i game still invite sent to Game 12850188 this was 2nd invite sent first run out.. so that is 3 out of 3 not been done correctly if i am correct. and not even a pm to say sorry will have it done asap..

I think KORT gained unfair advantage in this war because that 4th invite has not been accepted yet

[eddie2]

You really are a piece of work... Congrats you found 1 invite yet to be accepted. Want a cookie? Stop trying to cause BS and just play your games.

wow and i get warned for baits and flames ???

So instead of coming in here and saying sorry for being late. on games which you left no time for someone who does not accept there invite to get someone else into on time.. you attack me.. how hard is it for you to send a pm saying sorry games are late thats all it would take and them you would not have to read posts saying you have not followed the rules again.

[josko.ri]

I interpret this rule on the way that invites need to be sent before away clan receives games, so away clan can have information about maps/settings and players who are playing in those games.

i one hundred percent agree with this and is how i read it and the reason i sent bruce aka games without players being signed up.

eddie2, if BOTH clans think about some rule the same, then in their war that rule is done in the way how they interpreted the rules, not on the way how rules really are. CC4 allows different rules between clans who are playing if they both think the same way regarding those rules.

However, if one clan interpret rules on one way and other clan interpret them in other way, then Official CC4 rules have power to decide which rules interpretation is correct.

However, in this war, BOTH clans interpreted that rule that invites need to be sent on the exchange date (not games fully joined) so let it be so.

[eddie2]

hum another post from kort and not a sorry we are late...

but instead a attack telling me how i read a rule.. kort have decided to follow there own rule by your post josko and have games invited to and not signed up to... where as aka sent you games fully joined so please how are we doing it the same show me a screen shot of any pm where aka agreed to invite and not signed up to. Please do not put words into aka's mouth and ps is this not clear....

View first unread post CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

you have argued the point in this thread and been told straight you must be joined up to all games. anyway enough on this lets see what the mods think about this not on time again. and josko i only opened your post to see if you were man enough to actually say sorry will be joined asap on behalf of kort...

[josko.ri]

hum another post from kort and not a sorry we are late...

but instead a attack telling me how i read a rule.. kort have decided to follow there own rule by your post josko and have games invited to and not signed up to... where as aka sent you games fully joined so please how are we doing it the same show me a screen shot of any pm where aka agreed to invite and not signed up to. Please do not put words into aka's mouth and ps is this not clear....

View first unread post CCup4 - Games MUST be fully JOINED prior exchanges!

you have argued the point in this thread and been told straight you must be joined up to all games. anyway enough on this lets see what the mods think about this not on time again. and josko i only opened your post to see if you were man enough to actually say sorry will be joined asap on behalf of kort...

eddie2, I quoted your post, and replied to that. So in your post is clearly written what you said, so it is not me who put words into your mouth. In set 1 every AKA's home game was sent without players being fully joined and now you complain that one slot in 10 of our games were not joined by player. He was not online yesterday, he wil accept it today.

What I pointed out is that AKA interpreted that rule (your words, see quote from previous post) that games need to be made and invites sent when it is game exchange deadline, which is also how KORT interpret that rule so I do not see problem to implement that rule on that way here. Whenever both clans agre to some rule in CCup, that rule was used on that way how they interpret it, no matter if Ccup rules interpret it different.

Also, in this moment, it is not yet passed 14 days (336 hours) from exchange time of set 1. And rules say that between set 1 and set 2 need to pass 14 days. So Bruce sent games to you earlier than he should do it, and we still have time to join it.

[eddie2]

not even opening your post this time josko...

came here to say in public that once the game is fully joined resend your pm telling me that games are ready for me to sign up to... i put time to one side this morning to join up aka players. which i cannot do because games are not ready and the pm sent should not of been....

[freakns]

Whenever both clans agre to some rule in CCup, that rule was used on that way how they interpret it, no matter if Ccup rules interpret it different.

false.
you may agree to whatever you want, CCup can not be interpret differently because of it.
in this case, i think CL5 rule is far better(games and invites have to be sent prior exchange), but that doesnt mean you can interpret CCup rule differently. ,
as cheme said in thread, if i receive games created and invites are sent, i wouldnt make a fuss about not all the slots being filled. eddie however chose to be a dick about it and whine without serious reason(im assuming all invites have been sent), but he does have rules supporting him(although you said KORT havent reached deadline for exchange, so bruce simply can wait till deadline by which time your games might have been filled, and send same games to eddie)

[josko.ri]

Whenever both clans agre to some rule in CCup, that rule was used on that way how they interpret it, no matter if Ccup rules interpret it different.

false.
you may agree to whatever you want, CCup can not be interpret differently because of it.
in this case, i think CL5 rule is far better(games and invites have to be sent prior exchange), but that doesnt mean you can interpret CCup rule differently. ,
as cheme said in thread, if i receive games created and invites are sent, i wouldnt make a fuss about not all the slots being filled. eddie however chose to be a dick about it and whine without serious reason(im assuming all invites have been sent), but he does have rules supporting him(although you said KORT havent reached deadline for exchange, so bruce simply can wait till deadline by which time your games might have been filled, and send same games to eddie)

True.
For example, in last Cup rules said that it is not allowed that players who played for other clan which was eliminated in previous round can play for new clan in upcoming rounds. However, in some wars both clans agreed to allow players from eliminating clans to participate for their new clans, and in this situations CCup rule was neglected.

In time of writing this post, it is still less than 14 days passed from time of exchanging games in set 1 and therefore no one clan is obliged to send set 2 games yet.

[Dako]

True.
For example, in last Cup rules said that it is not allowed that players who played for other clan which was eliminated in previous round can play for new clan in upcoming rounds. However, in some wars both clans agreed to allow players from eliminating clans to participate for their new clans, and in this situations CCup rule was neglected.

In time of writing this post, it is still less than 14 days passed from time of exchanging games in set 1 and therefore no one clan is obliged to send set 2 games yet.

But those amendments were agree by both clans before the start of the war and were listed in the OP. I don't see any mention that KORT and AKA agreed to send out games fully joined in this particular war.

I also see a date in the OP of batches due:

1st Batch May 26th 10 games
2nd Batch June 9th 10 games + 1 Tie Break Game

Where did you get that "14 days since the batch 1 games have been sent" thing? I don't see any mention about 14 days between the batches in CCup rules but I see a date of June 9th to fill 2nd batch games. Please provide me with the link to "14 days between batches" rule if I am wrong.

[josko.ri]

True.
For example, in last Cup rules said that it is not allowed that players who played for other clan which was eliminated in previous round can play for new clan in upcoming rounds. However, in some wars both clans agreed to allow players from eliminating clans to participate for their new clans, and in this situations CCup rule was neglected.

In time of writing this post, it is still less than 14 days passed from time of exchanging games in set 1 and therefore no one clan is obliged to send set 2 games yet.

But those amendments were agree by both clans before the start of the war and were listed in the OP. I don't see any mention that KORT and AKA agreed to send out games fully joined in this particular war.

You can see mention that both AKA and KORT interpret that rule on the way that invites need to be sent, in my quote from 2 posts ago.

I also see a date in the OP of batches due:

1st Batch May 26th 10 games
2nd Batch June 9th 10 games + 1 Tie Break Game

Where did you get that "14 days since the batch 1 games have been sent" thing? I don't see any mention about 14 days between the batches in CCup rules but I see a date of June 9th to fill 2nd batch games. Please provide me with the link to "14 days between batches" rule if I am wrong.[/quote]

Difference between those 2 dates is exactly 14 days. You may see in set 1 AKA's games were made after May 26th (on May 27th), and KORT's games in set 1 were made BEFORE AKA's games. That said, set 2 exchange date also need to be pull up for one day, to give us necessary 14 days timeframe which are in the place for this event.

It seems that you have some extra time to follow other threads which are not your business. One more reason to support my statement that TOFU players would have enough available time for participating in CL5 games if they did not escape

And of course, at the end of the day I will be accused how I am following TOFU in their threads just to bait them. This thread is great example who is following who in forums

[Dako]

You can see mention that both AKA and KORT interpret that rule on the way that invites need to be sent, in my quote from 2 posts ago.

Mentions of interpretation … If it is not in the OP that you can shove it down where the sun doesn't shine because they are not war rules. It is that simple.

Difference between those 2 dates is exactly 14 days. You may see in set 1 AKA's games were made after May 26th (on May 27th), and KORT's games in set 1 were made BEFORE AKA's games. That said, set 2 exchange date also need to be pull up for one day, to give us necessary 14 days timeframe which are in the place for this event.

You have failed to show me where it is written in the CCup rules that batches should be done with 14 days in between of them (including being late). Am I being unreasonable to request a link to the rule that guides your logic? If you can provide me with something like "Batch 2 games should be exchanged exactly 14 days after batch 1 games were started including the delay because one clan was late sending/filling games" in CCup rules. Can you give me that or can you not?

[josko.ri]

You can see mention that both AKA and KORT interpret that rule on the way that invites need to be sent, in my quote from 2 posts ago.

Mentions of interpretation … If it is not in the OP that you can shove it down where the sun doesn't shine because they are not war rules. It is that simple.

It is in post in this thread, I have already given link and quoted it in my previous posts, I do not plan to give it again especially to you. Scroll back several pages and you will find it if you are really so interested.
What is important is that it is stated by eddie2, who is official representative, so it has importance like official AKA's opinion.

Difference between those 2 dates is exactly 14 days. You may see in set 1 AKA's games were made after May 26th (on May 27th), and KORT's games in set 1 were made BEFORE AKA's games. That said, set 2 exchange date also need to be pull up for one day, to give us necessary 14 days timeframe which are in the place for this event.

You have failed to show me where it is written in the CCup rules that batches should be done with 14 days in between of them (including being late). Am I being unreasonable to request a link to the rule that guides your logic? If you can provide me with something like "Batch 2 games should be exchanged exactly 14 days after batch 1 games were started including the delay because one clan was late sending/filling games" in CCup rules. Can you give me that or can you not?

In this OP was written that deadline between batches is 14 days (26 May to 9 June). In first batch AKA's games were made second, so it is for sure not KORT's fault that set 1 was exchanged later, and according to deadlines from OP, 14 days is time gap between sets so we have right to have 14 days rest between sets.

[Dako]

I will take it as a no then. Thank you josko.

[josko.ri]

I will take it as a no then. Thank you josko.

Take it as you wish. I anyway know you every time take everything on the way which is against KORT, so why this time it should be different

[niMic]

So, when are freakns and Dako going to get punished for repeatedly stirring up shit in a thread they have no business being in?

[Razorvich]

Nice work in unlocking the thread again chem....but alas.....things don't seem to be improving.

Twice now this thread has been locked.......then unlocked....and everyone is still banging on at each other.

Back to the battle:

KORT have woodboro Game 12800623, nice win